Re: Cutler Protocol Research Study

[Guest guest]

Hi Andy, thank you for responding. The class is a business

leadership class on Project Management. Unfortunately, many of my

instructors want me to use experience which I don't have. (I've been

a stay-at-home mom for 4 years). This assignment was given Monday

and due Sunday (with other assignments inbetween) so you can see how

much time I had to " make it happen " . (accelerated online full-time

course).

This was the only project I was even remotely interested in or

motivated to find out more about (at least this week . The essay

will be approx 1500-1700 words, and the object is to show

understanding of the " dynamics " of a project, so to speak. Thus, my

explanation of this being a " glorified outline " .

So yes, my understanding is severely lacking, but my interest isn't

> >

> > I am in college and one of my assignments is to pick a project

for a

> > company and write a report on the main details of it. (Basically a

> > glorified outline in essay form).

>

> For what kind of class?

>

> > I chose to do a scenario where I am a project manager for

Generation

> > Rescue (this is fictional) and my project is to do a study on the

> > effectiveness of the Andy Cutler Chelation Protocol on children

with

> > autism.

> >

> > I was wondering if anyone would be interested in helping me with

some

> > details. I have chosen a 24 month time period and am still working

> > on a budget.

>

> 24 months isn't long enough (because most of it would be wasted in

bureaucratic

> nonsense) and the budget would be millions (because most of it

would be wasted on

> bureaucratic nonsense). Find out about IRB's and necessary

approvals for human subject

> research and you'll see what I mean.

>

> > Question 1: What tests would be used to measure progress, and at

what

> > intervals?

>

> I would suggest behavioral tests and parent ratings using things

like the ATEC checklist,

> rather than any laboratory tests. Also use the DSM-IV checklists

to diagnose them and

> have the exact checklist items for each child tracked and have them

re-evaluated by new

> evaluators at intervals to see which items they meet.

>

> I would also suggest using some peer reviewed and generally

accepted checklist that is

> similar in content to the non-politically-acceptable checklists

used by Dan Amen in his

> books Healing ADD and Change Your Brain, Change Your Life.

>

> > Question 2: How many participants do you feel are necessary,

>

> Probably hundreds to be politically correct and get to an answer

that is hard to reject other

> than by just saying " NO, " as all regular MD " s will anyway.

>

> You need to reach the 95% CI on a bunch of outcomes when it is

an 'either/or' or 'yes/no'

> situation, and to have robust enough statitsics that one could

assert that even with some

> dropouts all counted as nonresponders that it would be

significant. Web tools to do these

> calculations can be found at

>

> http://statpages.org/confint.html?

> x=4.4 & N=50 & P=0.7700 & DL=0.6404 & DU=0.8694 & Z=10 & QL= & QU= & CL=95 & TU=2.5 & TL

> =2.5

>

> Let us say you have 25 kids each in the vera (treatment) and

placebo arm. 5 drop out and

> are lost to follow-up over the 2 year chelation time in each arm (a

pretty good retention

> rate). Of the 20 remaining, 5 in the placebo arm and 15 in the

treatment arm are believed

> to have improved. These results do not differ at the 95% confidence

interval. You need a

> big enough trial that you do see such differences at very high

statistical confidence. And

> recall, autistic children do go up and down randomly so some in the

placebo arm WILL

> actually improve.

>

> One thing you'd have to control for is institute whatever the OTHER

treatments are for

> several months before beginning chelation to rate the kids and not

have all the placebo

> group improve because of the nonchelation supplements.

>

> Another thing you'd need to do is monitor very closely to ensure

the parents don't go self

> activate and introduce more supplements, or do other therapies (or

not count them in the

> results if they do, which many will).

>

> > will there be specific requirements/exclusions?

>

> There will be many, and this is where it becomes extremely

difficult. One would really

> have to identify a set of subjects who could be treated EXACTLY the

same way, by rote,

> rather than having individualized programs, which means some lab

testing for inclusion

> and excclusion as well as doing so based on signs and symptoms.

>

> I'd include counting rules positive children within a certain age

group who had other

> specified labs being normal (CBC and thyroid being big ones) or

within specified limits.

>

> The parents would be required to commit to not doing other

biomedical or dietary

> interventions, and to letting yu know what they DID do and what

they fed the kids.

>

> You would want video diaries at specified intervals.

>

> > Question 3: Will candida be treated in the same way for all

> > participants (if need be)?

>

> This indicates how little you really know about autism treatment

and thus how irrelevant

> your paper is going to be.

>

> It would be utterly essential that everyone did exactly the same

thing other than whether

> they get true chelator (vera) or a placebo.

>

> > Question 4: Who would participate in order for the results to be

> > widely accepted? (LOL)

>

> No. It is generally accepted as unethical to withhold an effective

therapy for research

> purposes. Just because the government has created laws to protect

and empower

> criminals instead of to punish them doens't relieve the rest of us

of reasonable ethical

> obligations to do the right thing for poor suffering children.

>

> I don't think a reasonable parent who thoughtfully evaluates the

situation would. The

> problem is 0% scientific/research related, 100% political. All the

chanting about research

> is simply an attractive nuisance to keep people from doing the

right thing and putting all

> their available energy into politics as single issue voters - the

issue being to eliminate all

> government involvement in medicine and health care in all forms as

much as is practical.

>

> > I would love for this to happen...like many others, so maybe

after my

> > assignment is done, we can talk about the real thing

>

> Andy

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Andy, thank you for responding. The class is a business

> leadership class on Project Management. Unfortunately, many of my

> instructors want me to use experience which I don't have. (I've been

> a stay-at-home mom for 4 years). This assignment was given Monday

> and due Sunday (with other assignments inbetween) so you can see how

> much time I had to " make it happen " . (accelerated online full-time

> course).

>

> This was the only project I was even remotely interested in or

> motivated to find out more about (at least this week . The essay

> will be approx 1500-1700 words, and the object is to show

> understanding of the " dynamics " of a project, so to speak. Thus, my

> explanation of this being a " glorified outline " .

>

> So yes, my understanding is severely lacking, but my interest isn't

>

>

Keep asking questions and we will try to help you as much as we can.

Are you familiar with the FAQ of the autism mercury group, the parts

of Moria's web pages that have to do with Andy's protocol, and the

Cutler protocol part of onibasu wiki?

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8ImXSHMKfVQxpZM6KoEZbKKirofI-Bm8Jw4nT9_5s8ljakzik_p\

5_Z4pQDUR0XiZRkUv3CE6u7vvsxkJ_NZsK2YcCz8cPeer/Mercury-Autism%20FAQ

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol

There might be things in the links and files here that are useful?

I guess you don't have time to order Andy's books. If you will be

doing other Cutler protocol related tasks in the future they would be

best to have to refer to.

J

[Guest guest]

(accelerated online full-time

> course).

>

> This was the only project I was even remotely interested in or

> motivated to find out more about (at least this week . The essay

> will be approx 1500-1700 words, and the object is to show

> understanding of the " dynamics " of a project, so to speak. Thus, my

> explanation of this being a " glorified outline " .

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I know how those on-line courses go - I'm taking one now...lol.

Anyway, even if your study isn't complete in the sense that it could

be peer-reviewed and all that other stuff, it's great that you're

doing it anyway. Get the word out! It thrills me that this protocal

is not going away - it just keeps gaining steam.

When you write it up, please stress that all onging mercury exposure

must be removed from the body - i.e. dental fillings, root canals,

fillings under crowns. And please stress that over and over. If there

is any mercury left in the mouth, chelation may or will cause more

harm than good. Also, it would be a good idea to discuss how the body

needs to be supported, most often the endocrine system, while

chelation occurs. Stress that this is not something to be undertaken

lightly. However, I've been following these boards off and on for

several years (ugh - so much time wasted) and nobody has ever been

seriously harmed that I am aware of.

Mercury can be deadly and when removing it from the body, you have

to be extremely cautious. Andy and the moderators on this board have

done an excellent job at ensuring this is done as safely as possible.

I just worry that people will rush into this without taking the

proper precautions.

Good luck,

Val