Re: Going no-mail & Flylady

[Guest guest]

I told DS1 that he

> could have 5 minutes of Nippy Bot [use your imagination but a call to

> Child Protection is not appropriate

ROFL!!!

Hannah, 28

Mum to Bethany 7 1/2, Lawrence nearly 6, Verity 3 1/2, Alfie 9 months

Visit me on the web at :-

http://hannahshome.20m.com

[Guest guest]

> But I am finding it's helping. I've lost almost five stone in a year.

> I did it by myself - only I have had control over what goes into my

> mouth and how often I exercise (and by exercise I include incidental

> exercise e.g. opting to park at the far end of the car park when I go

Oh Sue - that is amazing!!! Well done - you are an inspiration

Hannah, 28 (who lost 3 stone earlier this year but put 2 straight back on

((((((

Mum to Bethany 7 1/2, Lawrence nearly 6, Verity 3 1/2, Alfie 9 months

Visit me on the web at :-

http://hannahshome.20m.com

[Guest guest]

Have fun with the puppy Vicki and hope you have a lovely Christmas. It's

great to hear that flylady is making a difference to you. I love the

changes that she's helped make for me, I don't enjoy *all* the posts, but I

see the difference in our house and it's got to be better than doing nothing

at all!

Hope the toilet training goes well - for puppy and toddlers ;o))

Hannah

Going no-mail & Flylady

Hi All

Life is a little busy at the moment (we've picked up a new puppy so I have

to be vigilant about toilet training, as well as toddlers!) so I'm going

no

mail for a while. Might be back after xmas! I will still see coffee

posts

that make it into my Flylady file, though (unless I organise my filters

better!). On the subject of which, can I say that she may not be for

everyone but since I can no longer justify the cost of a cleaning lady,

she's doing wonders to help me organise my biggish family and chaotic

husband! Which may be desperately tragic but there you are - wouldn't it

be nice if we could simply celebrate our differences, rather than ridicule

them?!

Vicki

[Guest guest]

wouldn't it

> be nice if we could simply celebrate our differences, rather than

ridicule

> them?!

>

> Vicki

Vicki and Hannah: You are quite right, if I have come across as

ridiculing your association with flylady I apologise. If she helps

you, then more power to her elbow and yours! I guess I just don't

like being *told* what to do, I prefer to work out my own strategies

in all areas of my life. But that's me and not you, and I do have

help in the house, so sorry again if I sounded mocking.

Ruthie

[Guest guest]

I signed up with Flylady a while ago, and probably read her messages for a

total of 2 weeks. Now they go automatically into their own folder and I

never read them. So, Flylady doesn't tell me what to do specifically. But

having the focus on keeping the house organised is really helpful to me -

but I think it's because of the conversation *about* Flylady, rather than

her little instructions. I think, like you, Ruthie, I like to work out my

own strategies but I need a little kick start (motivation?), as I usually

have a million other things to do that are better than housework. Give

Flylady her credit though, she does tell you to delete any messages you

don't like/can't cope with.

The main problem I have with Flylady is that she doesn't appear to have any

kids. If she does, they aren't like mine! Wouldn't it be blissful to tidy

a room and for it to be tidy five minutes later? My son just doesn't see

the benefits of taking his clothes off all in one room, and emptying his

schoolbag all in one room - maybe Flylady should hassle him.

Joyce

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From: ruthie@... [sMTP:ruthie@...]

I guess I just don't

like being *told* what to do, I prefer to work out my own strategies

in all areas of my life. But that's me and not you, and I do have

help in the house, so sorry again if I sounded mocking.

[Guest guest]

I'm with you on this, Joyce. I don't obey Flylady's emails but her ideas

and motivation are good for me to focus on, as well.

Lesley

SAHM to four

Chair, Deeside NCT

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From: " J.M. "

> I signed up with Flylady a while ago, and probably read her messages for a

> total of 2 weeks. Now they go automatically into their own folder and I

> never read them. So, Flylady doesn't tell me what to do specifically.

But

> having the focus on keeping the house organised is really helpful to me -

> but I think it's because of the conversation *about* Flylady, rather than

> her little instructions. I think, like you, Ruthie, I like to work out my

> own strategies but I need a little kick start (motivation?), as I usually

> have a million other things to do that are better than housework. Give

> Flylady her credit though, she does tell you to delete any messages you

> don't like/can't cope with.

>

[Guest guest]

>wouldn't it

>> be nice if we could simply celebrate our differences, rather than

>ridicule

>> them?!

>>

>> Vicki

>

>Vicki and Hannah: You are quite right, if I have come across as

>ridiculing your association with flylady I apologise. If she helps

>you, then more power to her elbow and yours! I guess I just don't

>like being *told* what to do, I prefer to work out my own strategies

>in all areas of my life. But that's me and not you, and I do have

>help in the house, so sorry again if I sounded mocking.

>

>Ruthie

Well, I can't speak for Anneliese, but I can quite well understand

why Flylady would be the last straw for an Orthodox Jewish woman. I

think you'd be the first to admit (well, I know you already have)

that your religion is highly prescriptive in very many areas of life

(including domestic cleaning, if I remember what you were saying

about Passover preparations, though I know that's not day in day out)

- and that's fine, but I can see you would be more resistant to any

more prescription from other sources than those of us who are 'making

it up as we go along' to a much greater degree.

Flylady is quite spiritual in its own (small) way (after the warning

from Hannah who got this current 'craze' :-)))) going on coffee, I

was pleasantly surprised that I wasn't constantly cringing as I am

over the spiritual content of many things from the other side of the

Atlantic) but I think you've probably got your full quota already,

never mind the cleaner on a practical level :-)

I'm finding it quite useful and non-irritating - but then I have

taken the notion of Baby steps and " you can do anything for 15

minutes " *very* seriously :-))))). And I am looking at the principles

behind it, rather than accepting or rejecting wholesale. For example,

as I've mentioned, my IKEA kitchen sink is totally unshineable and

actually needs practically no attention from month to month, never

mind daily plus (apart from emptying vileness from the plugholes) -

so I have transferred my attentions to the bathroom sink, which I

already knew was one of those uplifting areas for me (and let's face

it, you can avoid the kitchen sink a lot more than I hope you can

avoid washing your hands after using the toilet!) Shiny taps, Lush

soap... and DH (who has to do most of the housework round here) has

noticed and appreciated it - ditto me tidying up a small area without

making a bigger mess and collapsing into bed for two days.

DH is of the " Blitz the house, get exhausted and then get miserable

'cos it is trashed again so fast " type - which will not have been *at

all* helped by the tactless person who announced on Saturday, looking

at the living room " Oh it's looking a lot clearer in here today " when

he tries *so* hard *so* often and she pops round unannounced at our

total pit hours (ie when she knows she's not welcome at other folks

houses - she's actually said this) and subtly allows her child (so

she follows and then stays) into practically every room in the house

so even Can't Have Anyone Over is no protection.

Oh and I was inspired by using a timer to tidy up two bookcases in

our bedroom to try it with childcare!!!! (Shock horror - not

controlled crying or breastfeeding by the clock) I told DS1 that he

could have 5 minutes of Nippy Bot [use your imagination but a call to

Child Protection is not appropriate!] and then the buzzer would go

and it would be time to put his pyjamas on and it worked a treat -

much better than what must seem very arbitrary since he can't tell

the time yet. (Must say 5 minutes of pretending to be a monster and

trying to catch two small boys almost beside themselves with delight

seems a very long time to me!)

OK so it is gone 11am, I'm not wash or dressed, neither are my

children and we have to leave for nursery/Footsteps into Books in

under an hour and a half with various books collected into the

correct book bags, spare clothes, organise ceremonial presentation of

star (I hope) for DS1s morning of dry pants and have lunch....

Not so much baby steps as still working on rolling over!

--

jennifer@...

Vaudin

[Guest guest]

>I'm with you on this, Joyce. I don't obey Flylady's emails but her ideas

>and motivation are good for me to focus on, as well.

I supposed to be de-cluttering my spare room ATM. I have my four boxes

(one is for things I *know* I will drop in at the dress agency) and it's

going very well, even after half an hour I can begin to see the floor.

Just found my old school reports though and should never have read them.

Doesn't do to get distracted.

--

Sue

Nottingham

[Guest guest]

> Oh and I was inspired by using a timer to tidy up two bookcases in

> our bedroom to try it with childcare!!!! (Shock horror - not

> controlled crying or breastfeeding by the clock) I told DS1 that he

> could have 5 minutes of Nippy Bot [use your imagination but a call

to

> Child Protection is not appropriate!] and then the buzzer would go

> and it would be time to put his pyjamas on and it worked a treat -

> much better than what must seem very arbitrary since he can't tell

> the time yet.

My mum uses this to very good effect with the girls (we don;t possess

a kitchen timer... but must invest in one!!) i.e. in15 mins you can

have the drink/biscuit/video on, after 20 mins the paints are going

away etc... saves that constant " is it time yet " or " just a bit

longer "

Angi

[Guest guest]

> wouldn't it

> > be nice if we could simply celebrate our differences, rather than

> ridicule

> > them?!

> >

> > Vicki

>

> Vicki and Hannah: You are quite right, if I have come across as

> ridiculing your association with flylady I apologise. If she helps

> you, then more power to her elbow and yours! I guess I just don't

> like being *told* what to do, I prefer to work out my own

strategies

> in all areas of my life. But that's me and not you, and I do have

> help in the house, so sorry again if I sounded mocking.

>

> Ruthie

Ditto me, I *hate* being told what to do and I am scared of Ford

because of getitng up at 7am (ack!) and scared of Flylady for having

to get dressed first thing in morning (what is the morning anyway?)!

But then I haven't read GF or FL - just know my whole being would

scream nooooo!

I do celebrate people's differences, just don't have time to do it

here ) Don't think I was making fun of anyone other than the big FL

herself and my own inadequacies IYKWIM.

Liz x

Very messy, authority-phobic with no routine whatsoever!

[Guest guest]

Ruthie wrote:

> If she helps

>you, then more power to her elbow and yours! I guess I just don't

>like being *told* what to do, I prefer to work out my own strategies

>in all areas of my life. But that's me and not you, and I do have

>help in the house, so sorry again if I sounded mocking.

I think my old cleaner was the original FlyLady, right down to routines

of which rooms she would the windows in, which rooms would get an extra

deep clean that week, etc.

But I am finding it's helping. I've lost almost five stone in a year.

I did it by myself - only I have had control over what goes into my

mouth and how often I exercise (and by exercise I include incidental

exercise e.g. opting to park at the far end of the car park when I go

shopping, walking to the paper shop instead of having the Sundays

delivered or popping down in the car, walking Steffi to school *every*

day). *But* I have called in the experts in the form of Weightwatchers

and the gym instructors to help me put together plans that work for me.

Ideally WW advocates a well-balanced diet but *I* have days when I want

takeaway and wine and chocolate but I can still work with their

guidelines. Ideally the gym would have me do CV stuff 3-4 times a week

and resistance weights 2-3 times a week - but I wanted quicker results

and went more often.

I never like to feel I'm not in control but I am learning to learn from

the experts :-))

--

Sue

Mum to Steffi the Pomwi

Nottingham

[Guest guest]

> > But I am finding it's helping. I've lost almost five stone in a

year.

> > I did it by myself - only I have had control over what goes into

my

> > mouth and how often I exercise (and by exercise I include

incidental

> > exercise e.g. opting to park at the far end of the car park when I

go

>

> Oh Sue - that is amazing!!! Well done - you are an inspiration

My Gosh that's amazing.

Ruthie (jealous)

[Guest guest]

That's *exactly* how I feel about her, too! Ironically, much of what she

advocates (putting things away as soon as you've finished them; wiping

round the kitchen before you go to bed; cleaning the toilet when you get

up) are things my Mum's been gently suggesting for years. But she's only

my mother - what would she know?!!

I do find concentrating on 15 minute bursts of housework once or twice a

day very liberating - I know I'm going to do it, so don't spend the morning

stressing about doing the *whole* house and the afternoon being thoroughly

grumpy and horrible to everyone while I either do something or find a

distraction which means I can't possibly do anything. And I like the idea

of spending a week concentrating on one area of the house in more depth

('less shallowness' is probably more appropriate to my technique )

Although she's made not one iota of difference to anyone else - DD1 *did*

do a 27 fling boogie in her bedroom, but really needed a 98 fling boogie to

uncover the carpet (perfectionism! perfectionism! ). I've cleared a lot

of stuff off the sides in the kitchen, and put them away and came home from

yoga last night to discover that DH had got them out again Bit of a

bicker ensued - they're away again now

Vicki - who will sort out her filters today!

>I never like to feel I'm not in control but I am learning to learn from

>the experts :-))

>

>--

>Sue

>Mum to Steffi the Pomwi

>Nottingham

>

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