16 month old and enzymes

[Guest guest]

I seem to remember pancrecarb 8 and mt-4's were what Rebekah used at that

age.Have they checked his liver to see if he might need actigall?BeckyB.

[Guest guest]

My son Zach is 16 months old and is taking 2 Ultrase MT 12 capsules

(in applesauce) with meals and snacks. We keep increasing his

enzymes because his stool frequency stays the same. According to

his doctor he should have less poop.

If anyone else has a child about Zach's age, what is your child's

enzyme dosage?

Also, Zach's poop is always very yellow and orange. Is this normal

for CF too?

He also is on 1.25 ml of Pepcid twice a day.

Thanks.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Is he drinking juice - it was the first thing our ped. told us to do -

before adjusting enzyme doses or anything else. It solved the problem.

I use a milk equivalency to measure the amount of enzymes we require:

1 cup of whole milk has x amount of fat (I don't rember right now it is

either 8 or 12 grams) and requires 8,000 lipase units (we use cotazyme

ecs 8). If he has a hotdog with 16 grams of fat he needs two capsuls.

Pat

Father of 2 wcf: Cameron 2.5 and Claire 7 months.

16 month old and enzymes

My son Zach is 16 months old and is taking 2 Ultrase MT 12 capsules

(in applesauce) with meals and snacks. We keep increasing his

enzymes because his stool frequency stays the same. According to

his doctor he should have less poop.

If anyone else has a child about Zach's age, what is your child's

enzyme dosage?

Also, Zach's poop is always very yellow and orange. Is this normal

for CF too?

He also is on 1.25 ml of Pepcid twice a day.

Thanks.

Sara

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[Guest guest]

HI

My son, Jaycen is also 16 months old. Right now he is taking 2-3

capsules per feed and 1-2 with snacks. He is on cotazyme ecs #4. I find

that I am struggling a bit with the enzymes as he needs more or less with

different foods. If Jaycen has any kind of tomatoe base food then his poop

is that color. lol. I wish there was some sort of guideline. For example,

for 1 hamburger give 1 1/2 enzymes. Instead of trial and error and upset

tummies and sleepless nights. Jaycen's poops are inconsistent though. He

will have good poops one day or one week and then it is mush--sometimes

yellow. Are you still breastfeeding? I know Jaycen's poops go yellow when

he needs more enzymes.

Jasmine, mommy to Jaycen

-- 16 month old and enzymes

My son Zach is 16 months old and is taking 2 Ultrase MT 12 capsules

(in applesauce) with meals and snacks. We keep increasing his

enzymes because his stool frequency stays the same. According to

his doctor he should have less poop.

If anyone else has a child about Zach's age, what is your child's

enzyme dosage?

Also, Zach's poop is always very yellow and orange. Is this normal

for CF too?

He also is on 1.25 ml of Pepcid twice a day.

Thanks.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Sara,

yellow and orange poop is probably malabsorbtion. Maybe ask about changing

enzymes at CF clinic? If his frequency and color don't improve with more of the

same brand that might not be the best brand of enzymes for him. good luck!

16 month old and enzymes

My son Zach is 16 months old and is taking 2 Ultrase MT 12 capsules

(in applesauce) with meals and snacks. We keep increasing his

enzymes because his stool frequency stays the same. According to

his doctor he should have less poop.

If anyone else has a child about Zach's age, what is your child's

enzyme dosage?

Also, Zach's poop is always very yellow and orange. Is this normal

for CF too?

He also is on 1.25 ml of Pepcid twice a day.

Thanks.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Sara,

Ideally, you want to achieve best poops possible with lowest enzyme

dose possible.

If you're still seeing yellow-orange poops, especially with oil

present, then Zack is still malabsorping, which means enzymes and

Pepcid aren't helping. This can be due to:

--needs a different brand/strength of enzyme

--teething

--intestinal inflammation

--disruption of normal intestinal flora (needs a probiotic)

--eating too much hard-to-digest fat in the same day. Example, my son

could never eat peanut butter and hot dogs on the same day. If he did

then it would always disrupt the balance.

Meds are tricky. Even when they look pharmacological similar they can

effect people differently. While Ultrase and Pancrease appear the

same, Ultrase doesn't work for my son.

And while doctors argued with me that Zantac and Axid are " alike " I

had a horrible, 3-fold reaction to Zantac; though, my son took Zantac

with no problems, and later even had better results with Prevacid.

Not all acid meds are alike. Pepcid inhibits acid secretion, reducing

the volume and concentration of the acid.

But wouldn't you rather have his enzymes work without having to alter

a necessary function of the stomach? Stomach acid is produced after

eating for reason -- digesting foods. And acid is crucial for

digesting tough foods like meat and necessary for absorption of

certain vitamins and minerals.

If you suppress stomach acid for too long, then you risk becoming

deficient in B vitamins -- and B vitamins help you absorp magnesium.

And if you're low in magnesium then your whole body becomes too acidic

-- including lungs, where certain fungus and bacteria like growing in

acidic places.

You can try supplementing with taurine; a lot of people with CF are

deficient in taurine. Taurine is an amino acid compound, normally

produced by the body (though newborns can't produce it, that's why

infant formula has taurine added). Taurine is in bile acids and helps

absorb fats, maintain stability of cell membranes, and regulate heart

rhythms. Because some CF liver ducts may be blocked with mucous or

scarred, the bile acids (containing taurine) can't get out to do the

job, so that's why you see yellow, orange, oily stools. (Taurine is

also partially responsible for giving poop it's classic brown color).

There is plenty of research showing how taurine helps. If you have Dr.

Ornstein's book about CF, you'll find taurine mentioned in there. Or

you can search PubMed http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

or www.healthwell.com.

It sounds like there's a lot of inflammation going on, which can be

proven if you notice any mucous in his stools. The surest way to

reduce inflammation is alter the diet, pronto, by cutting out bad fats

and oils. You'll have to read labels carefully -- nothing but canola

or olive oils. No hydrogenated fats, again -- have to read all those

labels, including peanut butter labels.

Switching to skim milk may help too. Skim has more protein and calcium

than whole milk anyway. Flax seed or flax oil is a good way to get the

good fats (omega-3's) and calories into him without the inflammatory

effects of other foods.

I would also make sure Zach is getting adequate, highly absorbable

magnesium chelate. Magnesium is an alkaline, which will calm the

tummy. (Ever notice how many prescription and OTC antacids feature

magnesium? Even Pepcid Complete has calcium and magnesium in it, so

why not just use the magnesium?)

Okay, ... your turn to tell how taurine supplements helped

Santosh

Kim

My son Zach is 16 months old and is taking 2 Ultrase MT 12 capsules

(in applesauce) with meals and snacks. We keep increasing his enzymes

because his stool frequency stays the same. According to his doctor he

should have less poop. If anyone else has a child about Zach's age,

what is your child's enzyme dosage? Also, Zach's poop is always very

yellow and orange. Is this normal for CF too? He also is on 1.25 ml of

Pepcid twice a day.

Thanks.

Sara

[Guest guest]

hi,

my 17 month old is on 2 capsules a day an poops alot but they are not worried.

she gets alot of yellow poop. her gas is also very bad she can clear a room fast

lol .

gene

May you find Tana in all that you see on your journey in life

16 month old and enzymes

My son Zach is 16 months old and is taking 2 Ultrase MT 12 capsules

(in applesauce) with meals and snacks. We keep increasing his

enzymes because his stool frequency stays the same. According to

his doctor he should have less poop.

If anyone else has a child about Zach's age, what is your child's

enzyme dosage?

Also, Zach's poop is always very yellow and orange. Is this normal

for CF too?

He also is on 1.25 ml of Pepcid twice a day.

Thanks.

Sara

[Guest guest]

hi sara i am michelle mom of anna who is 17months old she is on 5ultrase

with meals and 3 with a snack she will usually poop 2 times a day and it is

yellow \ brown i think it really depends on what she has eaten she will

also take zantac once a day and has the gas as well !! and it will also put

a grown man to shame hope everything is well michelle mom of caitlin(8

wo-cf)erin(7wo-cf)moira(3wo-cf) anna(17mthsw-cf)

16 month old and enzymes

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>

> My son Zach is 16 months old and is taking 2 Ultrase MT 12 capsules

> (in applesauce) with meals and snacks. We keep increasing his

> enzymes because his stool frequency stays the same. According to

> his doctor he should have less poop.

> If anyone else has a child about Zach's age, what is your child's

> enzyme dosage?

> Also, Zach's poop is always very yellow and orange. Is this normal

> for CF too?

> He also is on 1.25 ml of Pepcid twice a day.

> Thanks.

> Sara

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sara,

My son is 16 months as well. He takes about 3 beads with one powdered

enzyme per meal. The dietician at our clinic told us to start giving

him the powder, which he had since birth, with the beads because his

poops were big, bulky and very frequent. Now they are still big, but

not as bad. IT is such a hit and miss thing. With snacks he gets one

or two beads only. We just keep experimenting to see what works. My

son, , his poops are so smelly, it's terrible but I guess it is a

fact that goes with CF.

Cheryl,mom to 3 boys, Zac 7 yrs. wocf, Jake 2 yrs. wocf, Matty 16 mo.

wcf

16 month old and enzymes

My son Zach is 16 months old and is taking 2 Ultrase MT 12 capsules

(in applesauce) with meals and snacks. We keep increasing his

enzymes because his stool frequency stays the same. According to

his doctor he should have less poop.

If anyone else has a child about Zach's age, what is your child's

enzyme dosage?

Also, Zach's poop is always very yellow and orange. Is this normal

for CF too?

He also is on 1.25 ml of Pepcid twice a day.

Thanks.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Thanks to everyone who answered my questions and I have another

question.

Zach does not digest green beans at all. He will pass them just as

they were eaten. Gross!

I understand that he is not digesting fat well, but shouldn't he be

able to digest non-fat without difficulty if he has taken his

enzymes?

Sara

> 16 month old and enzymes

>

>

> My son Zach is 16 months old and is taking 2 Ultrase MT 12

capsules

> (in applesauce) with meals and snacks. We keep increasing his

> enzymes because his stool frequency stays the same. According

to

> his doctor he should have less poop.

> If anyone else has a child about Zach's age, what is your

child's

> enzyme dosage?

> Also, Zach's poop is always very yellow and orange. Is this

normal

> for CF too?

> He also is on 1.25 ml of Pepcid twice a day.

> Thanks.

> Sara

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sara,

I still see the occasional chunk of food in 's poops. She LOVES carrots

and eats them way too fast and they show up in the poop. Maybe he isn't chewing

them enough for them to be broken down?

16 month old and enzymes

>

>

> My son Zach is 16 months old and is taking 2 Ultrase MT 12

capsules

> (in applesauce) with meals and snacks. We keep increasing his

> enzymes because his stool frequency stays the same. According

to

> his doctor he should have less poop.

> If anyone else has a child about Zach's age, what is your

child's

> enzyme dosage?

> Also, Zach's poop is always very yellow and orange. Is this

normal

> for CF too?

> He also is on 1.25 ml of Pepcid twice a day.

> Thanks.

> Sara

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sara,

Shaelin is over 2 and there are still some vegetables his body does

not digest which I think is normal for that age. He loves grape

tomates and the skin is often present in his stools along with the

skin from the blueberries he eats. The tomato skin made it look like

he was bleeding and the blueberry skin was particularly scary the

first time as it looked like he had " bugs " in his stool. I was so

relieved when I figured out what it was.

Jeanne (foster Mom to Shaelin, 27mos wcf)

> Thanks to everyone who answered my questions and I have another

> question.

> Zach does not digest green beans at all. He will pass them just as

> they were eaten. Gross!

> I understand that he is not digesting fat well, but shouldn't he be

> able to digest non-fat without difficulty if he has taken his

> enzymes?

> Sara

>

>

> > 16 month old and enzymes

> >

> >

> > My son Zach is 16 months old and is taking 2 Ultrase MT 12

> capsules

> > (in applesauce) with meals and snacks. We keep increasing his

> > enzymes because his stool frequency stays the same. According

> to

> > his doctor he should have less poop.

> > If anyone else has a child about Zach's age, what is your

> child's

> > enzyme dosage?

> > Also, Zach's poop is always very yellow and orange. Is this

> normal

> > for CF too?

> > He also is on 1.25 ml of Pepcid twice a day.

> > Thanks.

> > Sara

> >

> >

> >