Guest guest Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Patti, OK, but, I think it's hard not to like this book if your an SCD person like we are. I'm so behind on my emails ... It's almost Monday AM, but I'll be sure to put OT if GAPS comes up. Agape, Patti wrote: , Just for this week, until Jody comes back, I have to include GAPS as an OT topic. I have not read the book, but would like to. I think you are premature in assuming that GAPS is " an SCD book " . Please be careful with this. I just can't make the " official " determination myself.... even for pecanbread. Until Jody is back.... and until Jody, Mimi, Carol, Sheila, Judy, etc. can have a discussion about it, we need to keep it OT and not just blythely recommend it to new list members. Thanks for respecting this for right now. Patti Re: Advice for a family of beginners Hey Patti, The GAPS book is an SCD book... I hope more will write SCD books. Have you read it?...she writes of Dr. Haas' foundation and how Elaine continued it. Just like Pecanbread is not an 'official' SCD website because it customizes SCD for ASD population ... the GAPS book also customizes for ASD( gut + behavior/emotional/cogntive) population, but it definitely is SCD based . Should it go under OT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Dear , It may be hard not to like this book.... or many other books. That's not the point. Sometimes I'm afraid your posts come off more as continually endorsing GAPS .... OVER the SCD. I am trying to look at this from the perspective of a newcomer who may not fully have a grasp on SCD yet... and has come here for that information. I am not aware of Judy (Elaine's daughter) having given her endorsement of the GAPS diet and SCD being one and the same, despite that Elaine seemed to think well of Dr. N-C in her later years. That's where the glitch lies with actively promoting that book/diet on this particular list. SCD is trademarked.... this is an SCD specific list, with the only book that we base the diet on being BTVC, at this point. I'm not saying GAPS is not a good book or approach... I have not yet read it. Just please hold off on this until Jody is back. It may be that, with time, there will be a consensus reached... and approval given in terms of SCD. But, that has certainly not happened yet.... and not mine to give. Please understand the tough spot this puts us in as moderators of Pecanbread. Is there a GAPS listserve? Patti, interim moderator Re: OT: GAPS book/ Patti, OK, but, I think it's hard not to like this book if your an SCD person like we are. I'm so behind on my emails ... It's almost Monday AM, but I'll be sure to put OT if GAPS comes up. Agape, Patti wrote: , Just for this week, until Jody comes back, I have to include GAPS as an OT topic. I have not read the book, but would like to. I think you are premature in assuming that GAPS is " an SCD book " . Please be careful with this. I just can't make the " official " determination myself.... even for pecanbread. Until Jody is back.... and until Jody, Mimi, Carol, Sheila, Judy, etc. can have a discussion about it, we need to keep it OT and not just blythely recommend it to new list members. Thanks for respecting this for right now. Patti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Hey Patti, Sorry....Just now got this... There's no need to endorse the GAPS book over SCD... I see that the GAPS book IS an SCD book. I don't think any of us ASD parents do SCD as outlined in BTVC. That's why were at here at Pecanbread...customized SCD for us It's no surprise that Elaine thought well of Dr. NC... Does Judy endorse pecanbread, eventhough we are not an official SCD website? Will she have to 'endorse' every SCD book written in the future? Can you find out if she's read the GAPS book? I remember Carol writing, that she doesn't speak much, but is wise (paraphrase). Agape, Patti wrote: Dear , It may be hard not to like this book.... or many other books. That's not the point. Sometimes I'm afraid your posts come off more as continually endorsing GAPS .... OVER the SCD. I am trying to look at this from the perspective of a newcomer who may not fully have a grasp on SCD yet... and has come here for that information. I am not aware of Judy (Elaine's daughter) having given her endorsement of the GAPS diet and SCD being one and the same, despite that Elaine seemed to think well of Dr. N-C in her later years. That's where the glitch lies with actively promoting that book/diet on this particular list. SCD is trademarked.... this is an SCD specific list, with the only book that we base the diet on being BTVC, at this point. I'm not saying GAPS is not a good book or approach... I have not yet read it. Just please hold off on this until Jody is back. It may be that, with time, there will be a consensus reached... and approval given in terms of SCD. But, that has certainly not happened yet.... and not mine to give. Please understand the tough spot this puts us in as moderators of Pecanbread. Is there a GAPS listserve? Patti, interim moderator Re: OT: GAPS book/ Patti, OK, but, I think it's hard not to like this book if your an SCD person like we are. I'm so behind on my emails ... It's almost Monday AM, but I'll be sure to put OT if GAPS comes up. Agape, Patti wrote: , Just for this week, until Jody comes back, I have to include GAPS as an OT topic. I have not read the book, but would like to. I think you are premature in assuming that GAPS is " an SCD book " . Please be careful with this. I just can't make the " official " determination myself.... even for pecanbread. Until Jody is back.... and until Jody, Mimi, Carol, Sheila, Judy, etc. can have a discussion about it, we need to keep it OT and not just blythely recommend it to new list members. Thanks for respecting this for right now. Patti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 > Dear , > It may be hard not to like this book.... or many other books. That's not the point. Sometimes I'm afraid your posts come off more as continually endorsing GAPS .... OVER the SCD. I am trying to look at this from the perspective of a newcomer who may not fully have a grasp on SCD yet... and has come here for that information. > > I am not aware of Judy (Elaine's daughter) having given her endorsement of the GAPS diet and SCD being one and the same, despite that Elaine seemed to think well of Dr. N-C in her later years. > > That's where the glitch lies with actively promoting that book/diet on this particular list. SCD is trademarked.... this is an SCD specific list, with the only book that we base the diet on being BTVC, at this point. I'm not saying GAPS is not a good book or approach... I have not yet read it. > > Just please hold off on this until Jody is back. It may be that, with time, there will be a consensus reached... and approval given in terms of SCD. But, that has certainly not happened yet.... and not mine to give. Please understand the tough spot this puts us in as moderators of Pecanbread. > > Is there a GAPS listserve? > > >> Everyone, See page 71, editon 10 of BTVC for what constitutes an official resource of SCD. SCD is a trademarked diet and as such customizing, altering or modifying at the users discretion may cause the right to be lost to continue calling it SCD. This 'strictness' is not my invention. It was established by Elaine who BTW-never discredited people for being healed on another diet. It can be Suzie's Diet or 's Diet but if non compliant adjustments are made it is not to be called SCD. Those of you who are Kosher know there is only one " official website " for Kashrut and you know you can't mess around by adding a tiny piece of bacon every other week.. If we have to continue ragging on compliance I am going to leave again. I have stated I understand that though SCD is the total answer for me and at this time for a few other families, it may not fit or cure everyone, but it sure has helped countless thousands. If you can't follow it exactly I don't condemn that. Just don't distort the name. Pecanbread is here to support children, adults and ASD but the buck stops there. SCD may or may not have helped you and there may be concern that people will seek other more liberal support groups but that is no basis upon which to attempt to compromise the way the diet is written. The way it is FOLLOWED is your business. What you call it is trademark business. What support group you choose is your right. How it's run is not mine or yours at this time. Until Jody returns Patti is the person I will listen to as the current authority. Carol F. SCD 6 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Patti said:..........I am not aware of Judy (Elaine's daughter) having given her endorsement of the GAPS diet and SCD being one and the same, despite that Elaine seemed to think well of Dr. N-C in her later years............ I agree that this book is excellent explaining mental illness and ASD and how it relates to the " vicious cycle " , but it truly does have some differences that I know Elaine would not have liked. These differences could impede and interfere with the success and integrity of the SCDiet. It is so important to protect what has worked for over 60 years with success. I look forward to those in charge reading this book, so they too, can see what I mean about these subtle difference that can place a cog in the wheel of the SCDiet. Unless Elaine changed her views, that are not mentioned in her web site and BTVC book, I can assume that she would frown on the use of probiotics such as the Bifidus. She tells everyone to not use it. Even Dr. Haas (the original man who created SCD) felt the culprit of much of the problem with the vicious cycle was an overgrowth of this " good guy " bifidus. Turning it into a " bad guy " when allowed to proliferate in such high numbers. The new comer would not know this. And this infraction of adding more bifidus, could keep them very sick. Sincerely, Antoinette (2/06 celiac) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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