Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Welcome to the group Jen, > I started SCD about 1 week ago. I think I was a little confused > about how to start the intro diet so I don't know if I really did > the intro but anyway now we are SCD doing lots of great proteins, > cooked fruits and veggies (zucchini, spinach, carrots, onion, pear, > apple, raw banana and that is about it right now). I stopped > supplementing for a time to get a baseline on her bowels, she had > been having loose stools daily and when I started the diet her bms > became less frequent (sorry for too much info!). How many was she having daily preSCD and how many daily is she having now? She has been on > SCD about 1 week and just over this weekend her behaviors have > really intensified. She tried to bite her ABA aides more than 7 > times yesterday. She has never acted like that (maybe tried to bite > once). Is this die-off? It is most likely die off and some do see increased aggression. This link lists some of the more common die off reations http://www.pecanbread.com/difficulties.html#initial This link gives some more info on die off and at the bottom of the page describes epsom salt baths which many find help reduce the negative die off reactions http://www.pecanbread.com/badreaction.html > She seems like she isn't feeling well. I > am thinking about slowly introducing her supplements (starting with > colostrum and a probio) (some supps I have to reorder to make sure > they are SCD legal). What probiotic is it? There are some legal ones listed at http://www.pecanbread.com/probiotics.html > How long does die-off usually last? I also > read that yeast can increase. I think this may be happening too. I > am trying to keep fruits down. At first I thought it was phenol > reactions but now I think it is yeast. Is that a sign that the > bacteria is dieing? Will the yeast begin to die too or is it best > to use herbals to help keep it down? Were you using herbals/supplements preSCD to keep down yeast? If yes you might want to resume them. But, if you weren't you may want to wait a bit before introducing any type of antifungal as that will increase her die off symptoms. > Her bms have already seemed > improved - both were of normal color this week. She is not having > daily ones though. It sounds as if she is improving nicely with the diet It is still very early in the diet for her and it sounds as if her body is still adjusting to all the changes in diet, microbial shift etc. Keep us updated and if agression (biting )doesn't improve or if the bowel movements become more infrequent we can make appropiate suggestions on what to do. Any input welcome!! Also - need breakfast > ideas - she is loving veggie/fruit omelettes but I have no other > ideas! Thanks so much! Jen There are some breakfast ideas at http://www.pecanbread.com/foodprep.html#menu and loads of great recipes at http://www.pecanbread.com/recipes.html Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs mom of and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 When we went throught the transition it was not fun. IN some ways things seemed to get worse. Die off reactions are not easy. Today we are doing better. Most allergies, food intolerance and sensitivites are gone. Hange in there. Antoinette and family of five scd 2/06 add, adhd, autism, celiac, malabsorption and leaky gut and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Sheila - Thanks so much for the welcome! She had been having daily (sometimes twice but not often) bms. Now she is seeming to go about 2 days without having one and then having one on the 3rd day. This is my biggest concern (the irregularity of going). They are definitely much more formed with some diarrhea, but not the horrible huge slop it had been. We had been doing nystatin when we started biomedical, but I became concerned about yeast growing immune to it, etc., so I started herbals (candex, yeast aid, etc) but then I had a bad experience of killing the yeast way down (awesome) but increasing the bacteria (ugly!). I started to watch her go through die-off and hated it. So I backed off. I haven't been treating her yeast for 2-3 weeks now. This is the first I have seen it really increase and today especially (tiptoe walking, spinning, scripting, eyemovements, etc). But, some cravings actually seem down (had been begging for peanut butter 5 times a day, asking for bananas, hasn't too much today etc). I did candex yesterday (1/2 capsule). As I said a little nervous to go after it too much. We do epsom salt baths about every other night. I will check if our probio is legal (might not be!). I will check out the recipes. Thanks for the links. I will be taking a look. Jen > > Welcome to the group Jen, > > > I started SCD about 1 week ago. I think I was a little confused > > about how to start the intro diet so I don't know if I really did > > the intro but anyway now we are SCD doing lots of great proteins, > > cooked fruits and veggies (zucchini, spinach, carrots, onion, > pear, > > apple, raw banana and that is about it right now). I stopped > > supplementing for a time to get a baseline on her bowels, she had > > been having loose stools daily and when I started the diet her bms > > became less frequent (sorry for too much info!). > > How many was she having daily preSCD and how many daily is she > having now? > > > She has been on > > SCD about 1 week and just over this weekend her behaviors have > > really intensified. She tried to bite her ABA aides more than 7 > > times yesterday. She has never acted like that (maybe tried to > bite > > once). Is this die-off? > > It is most likely die off and some do see increased aggression. > This link lists some of the more common die off reations > http://www.pecanbread.com/difficulties.html#initial > > This link gives some more info on die off and at the bottom of the > page describes epsom salt baths which many find help reduce the > negative die off reactions > http://www.pecanbread.com/badreaction.html > > > She seems like she isn't feeling well. I > > am thinking about slowly introducing her supplements (starting > with > > colostrum and a probio) (some supps I have to reorder to make sure > > they are SCD legal). > > > What probiotic is it? There are some legal ones listed at > http://www.pecanbread.com/probiotics.html > > > How long does die-off usually last? I also > > read that yeast can increase. I think this may be happening too. > I > > am trying to keep fruits down. At first I thought it was phenol > > reactions but now I think it is yeast. Is that a sign that the > > bacteria is dieing? Will the yeast begin to die too or is it best > > to use herbals to help keep it down? > > Were you using herbals/supplements preSCD to keep down yeast? If > yes you might want to resume them. But, if you weren't you may want > to wait a bit before introducing any type of antifungal as that will > increase her die off symptoms. > > > > Her bms have already seemed > > improved - both were of normal color this week. She is not having > > daily ones though. > > It sounds as if she is improving nicely with the diet > It is still very early in the diet for her and it sounds as if her > body is still adjusting to all the changes in diet, microbial shift > etc. Keep us updated and if agression (biting )doesn't improve or > if the bowel movements become more infrequent we can make appropiate > suggestions on what to do. > > Any input welcome!! Also - need breakfast > > ideas - she is loving veggie/fruit omelettes but I have no other > > ideas! Thanks so much! Jen > > There are some breakfast ideas at > http://www.pecanbread.com/foodprep.html#menu > and loads of great recipes at > http://www.pecanbread.com/recipes.html > > Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs > mom of and > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Sheila - of course the probio I have isn't listed. Is Custom Probiotics illegal? I gave her just 1/2 capsule this morning (at the most). When do you usuaaly suggest introducing the yogurt? Jen-- - In pecanbread , " Sheila Trenholm " wrote: > > Welcome to the group Jen, > > > I started SCD about 1 week ago. I think I was a little confused > > about how to start the intro diet so I don't know if I really did > > the intro but anyway now we are SCD doing lots of great proteins, > > cooked fruits and veggies (zucchini, spinach, carrots, onion, > pear, > > apple, raw banana and that is about it right now). I stopped > > supplementing for a time to get a baseline on her bowels, she had > > been having loose stools daily and when I started the diet her bms > > became less frequent (sorry for too much info!). > > How many was she having daily preSCD and how many daily is she > having now? > > > She has been on > > SCD about 1 week and just over this weekend her behaviors have > > really intensified. She tried to bite her ABA aides more than 7 > > times yesterday. She has never acted like that (maybe tried to > bite > > once). Is this die-off? > > It is most likely die off and some do see increased aggression. > This link lists some of the more common die off reations > http://www.pecanbread.com/difficulties.html#initial > > This link gives some more info on die off and at the bottom of the > page describes epsom salt baths which many find help reduce the > negative die off reactions > http://www.pecanbread.com/badreaction.html > > > She seems like she isn't feeling well. I > > am thinking about slowly introducing her supplements (starting > with > > colostrum and a probio) (some supps I have to reorder to make sure > > they are SCD legal). > > > What probiotic is it? There are some legal ones listed at > http://www.pecanbread.com/probiotics.html > > > How long does die-off usually last? I also > > read that yeast can increase. I think this may be happening too. > I > > am trying to keep fruits down. At first I thought it was phenol > > reactions but now I think it is yeast. Is that a sign that the > > bacteria is dieing? Will the yeast begin to die too or is it best > > to use herbals to help keep it down? > > Were you using herbals/supplements preSCD to keep down yeast? If > yes you might want to resume them. But, if you weren't you may want > to wait a bit before introducing any type of antifungal as that will > increase her die off symptoms. > > > > Her bms have already seemed > > improved - both were of normal color this week. She is not having > > daily ones though. > > It sounds as if she is improving nicely with the diet > It is still very early in the diet for her and it sounds as if her > body is still adjusting to all the changes in diet, microbial shift > etc. Keep us updated and if agression (biting )doesn't improve or > if the bowel movements become more infrequent we can make appropiate > suggestions on what to do. > > Any input welcome!! Also - need breakfast > > ideas - she is loving veggie/fruit omelettes but I have no other > > ideas! Thanks so much! Jen > > There are some breakfast ideas at > http://www.pecanbread.com/foodprep.html#menu > and loads of great recipes at > http://www.pecanbread.com/recipes.html > > Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs > mom of and > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Question: When do you usualy suggest introducing the yogurt? Answer: This is a personal choice. Elaine and BTVC says from the start. For us it was at the start, and I do not regret it. Some say to wait a month. Others are so fearful of the stuff they never use it. Yet their success with SCDiet is questionable by some. It does cause a much needed " die off " reaction. We also accidently took probiotics with illegals in them. Bifidus is a no no (many also have illegal sugars and starches in them). The SCD yogurt has worked wonderful for our family, in adding the much needed probiotics. I feel that it is part of SCDiet. Each bit has millions of good gut guys in it. SCDiet starves out the bad gut guys and the yogurt puts them back in. WE came to SCDiet casein free too. Yet, after the first die off, while using the SCD yogurt, we saw a miracle in our autistic daughter. AS many already know here, she began to try to talk. She smiled and no longer had deleriums and siezures. In BTVC book she says to start with it. We now go buy the book. WE experimented for over a year with differnt ways of eating. Now, if Elaine doesn't back it up, we dont' do it. Truly wouldn't do it any differntly. Something seriously think about. Do a search on Elaine's web site and see what she thinks. Hope this give hope, Antoinette and family of five SCD 2/06 (WAS: add, adhd, autism, malabsorption, celiac and more) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Hi Jen, > Sheila - of course the probio I have isn't listed. What is the probiotic and what is in it? > Is Custom > Probiotics illegal? Custom probiotics L. acidophilus probiotic should be fine. I haven't checked lately but if you do order from Harry you may want to check what fillers he uses and what the capsules are made of. The other probiotics he sells are not SCD legal. Are you looking at the CP yogurt starter? There are legal starters both dairy free and cow dairy starters at http://pecanbread.com/goatyogurt.html#start and at http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/beginners_guide/yoghurt/yog_s tarters.htm I gave her just 1/2 capsule this morning (at > the most). When do you usuaaly suggest introducing the yogurt? Once things settle down and she passes through this initial adjustment phase (a few weeks at least from the start date) then you could slowly start with 1/8 th - 1/4 tsp and gradually increase. It is such a small amount to start with because the 24 hour yogurt is extremely potent with enzymes and high amounts of good bacteria - which may cause further die off. Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs mom of and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Hi. New to the SCD. Been doing GF/CF for over a year. My son is currently taking coconut kefir as his main probiotic. I am understanding that young coconuts are illegal on scd, and that the homemade yogurt is the probiotic of choice. Do you all supplement with additional probiotics, or only do the yogurt? Thanks. > > Question: When do you usualy suggest introducing the yogurt? > > Answer: This is a personal choice. Elaine and BTVC says from the > start. For us it was at the start, and I do not regret it. Some say > to wait a month. Others are so fearful of the stuff they never use > it. Yet their success with SCDiet is questionable by some. > > It does cause a much needed " die off " reaction. We also accidently > took probiotics with illegals in them. Bifidus is a no no (many > also have illegal sugars and starches in them). > > The SCD yogurt has worked wonderful for our family, in adding the > much needed probiotics. I feel that it is part of SCDiet. Each bit > has millions of good gut guys in it. SCDiet starves out the bad gut > guys and the yogurt puts them back in. > > WE came to SCDiet casein free too. Yet, after the first die off, > while using the SCD yogurt, we saw a miracle in our autistic > daughter. AS many already know here, she began to try to talk. She > smiled and no longer had deleriums and siezures. > > In BTVC book she says to start with it. We now go buy the book. WE > experimented for over a year with differnt ways of eating. Now, if > Elaine doesn't back it up, we dont' do it. Truly wouldn't do it any > differntly. Something seriously think about. Do a search on > Elaine's web site and see what she thinks. > > Hope this give hope, Antoinette and family of five SCD 2/06 (WAS: > add, adhd, autism, malabsorption, celiac and more) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Elaine Gottschall recommended that we do both.... yogurt AND acidophilus supplement. Those who absolutely can't do yogurt in any form, should at least use a supplement. Gotta get the good guys growing down there! Patti Re: 1 week SCD and ???'s Hi. New to the SCD. Been doing GF/CF for over a year. My son is currently taking coconut kefir as his main probiotic. I am understanding that young coconuts are illegal on scd, and that the homemade yogurt is the probiotic of choice. Do you all supplement with additional probiotics, or only do the yogurt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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