Question about yogurt intro..??

[Guest guest]

I have the older edition book (BTVC, 1994), someone mentioned to me

today that you don't introduce yogurt until 6 months. This did not

make sense to me. Is this stated in the 2004 edition (ASD updated)?

I was thinking I would introduce the yogurt soon - my daughter really

needs some good bacteria. I dread die-off but I know if we are going

to make progress " gut-health " wise the yogurt is key. Thanks in

advance!! Jen

[Guest guest]

>

> I have the older edition book (BTVC, 1994), someone mentioned to me

> today that you don't introduce yogurt until 6 months. This did not

> make sense to me.

The difference is that many of our kids on the autism spectrum come from

GFCF diets where we know or suspect a reaction to casein. In this

case the recommendation is to wait. (We waited 3 months; but I have

heard some recommend 6 months.) People who have no reason to suspect

a casein reaction can have yogurt much sooner.

, mom to , age 10, ASD, SCD since 4-23-04

[Guest guest]

May I ask why? My thinking as far as my daughter's casein issue is

that it is not necessarily the casein but the fact that her gut is

an absolute mess. I thinking by adding in the yogurt I may do more

benefit than just waiting since I will be adding good bacteria to

her body. She has only been SCD 2 1/2 weeks. I am going to do the

acidophilus first. But I don't want to wait too long for the

yogurt... any input welcome!

> >

> > I have the older edition book (BTVC, 1994), someone mentioned to

me

> > today that you don't introduce yogurt until 6 months. This did

not

> > make sense to me.

>

> The difference is that many of our kids on the autism spectrum

come from

> GFCF diets where we know or suspect a reaction to casein. In this

> case the recommendation is to wait. (We waited 3 months; but I

have

> heard some recommend 6 months.) People who have no reason to

suspect

> a casein reaction can have yogurt much sooner.

>

> , mom to , age 10, ASD, SCD since 4-23-04

>

[Guest guest]

I could make some guesses, but I really don't know for sure. I know

Antoinette jumped in with yogurt early and did not regret it. I hope

a more informed person has an explanation for you.

, mom to

> > >

> > > I have the older edition book (BTVC, 1994), someone mentioned to

> me

> > > today that you don't introduce yogurt until 6 months. This did

> not

> > > make sense to me.

> >

> > The difference is that many of our kids on the autism spectrum

> come from

> > GFCF diets where we know or suspect a reaction to casein. In this

> > case the recommendation is to wait. (We waited 3 months; but I

> have

> > heard some recommend 6 months.) People who have no reason to

> suspect

> > a casein reaction can have yogurt much sooner.

> >

> > , mom to , age 10, ASD, SCD since 4-23-04

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> May I ask why? My thinking as far as my daughter's casein issue

is

> that it is not necessarily the casein but the fact that her gut is

> an absolute mess. I thinking by adding in the yogurt I may do

more

> benefit than just waiting since I will be adding good bacteria to

> her body. She has only been SCD 2 1/2 weeks. I am going to do

the

> acidophilus first. But I don't want to wait too long for the

> yogurt... any input welcome!

I apologize if this is info you know already; just something in

the way you asked the question...

It depends on what you think is the issue with the casein. When we

started CF (etc) two and a half years ago, some thinking at the time

was that certain asd kids had metabolic/pancreatic issues (which is

why there was also such a HUGE interest in enzymes...specifically

the proteases; which were " replacing " pancreatic enzyme DPP-IV).

This is one of the major enz that allows digestion of certain

protiens, such as the ones found in meat, soy and the infamous

casein.

VERY SIMPLY, one school of thought was that the kids' systems

only broke down the casien (and gluten) molocules partway...stopping

along the path at gluteomorphin and caseomorphin. Sounds

like " Morphine " , right? Opiod derivitives. Some say soy does the

same thing.

However, these protien molecules are really large...so regardless

of what form these weird things took, how were they getting into the

bloodstream intact to tweak their brains?

A " leaky gut " allows these large peptides to 'seep out' between

the tight juncions between the cells in the intestinal lining. And

having an opiod effect screwed with the neurotransmitter balances in

their brains. " Tripping " . So, the interest in spinning, lining

things up, other common asd perservations.

Not everyone subscribes to this particular " opiod " theory

anymore. My personal pet theory is that since the enteric system

generates more than HALF of the body's neurotransmitters, a bad gut

does a lot more than just leak - it is a malfunctioning factory. Add

to that other issues (heavy metal toxicity, pathogen overgrowth,

genetic predisposistion to inborn errors of metabolism, etc) and you

have an autistic child; not a celiac one. IMO.

Regardless of etiology, if you feed somebody with a damaged gut a

peptide they cannnot handle (without enzymes to digest it - their

own or artificially introduced), it WILL 'leak out'. And then since

some big ol' particle that is cheese or yogurt is NOT supposed to be

in the system at large, the body's immune system will respond to it

if it can. Tah-dah! You've just made a new IgG allergy. One more

thing to avoid.

Of course, you do not want to give enzymes and yogurt together -

you'll kill the 'good bugs'. So, many CF asd families stuck with the

dairy free version of diets and just used probiotics. OR, allowed

cheese, (after a time), but used an enzyme supplement with it to

deal with the casein aspect. Personally we've avoided casien until

the last two weeks, and used probiotics AND enzymes. We've had great

labs and great success with diet (plus our repitoire) this way. Many

others do scd " by the book " and also experience success. Depends on

your particular kid. Remember, not every child with a " leaky gut " is

autistic, so there is a lot more to pay attention to (IMHO) that " do

this but not that " or " this is always/never okay " . But that's the

stuff of OT ;-)

The scd yogurt is supposed to be free of the tertiary structure

of casien that is troublesome - there have been posts recently on

this subject, both anecdotally and " from Elaine " .

Of course, you could just try both the probio AND the yogurt and

see how it goes :-) HTH.

-christine

Paleo

-Glenn (scd/lod; or " diet that excludes di and polysaccharides and

limits oxalates " plus) 2/05

;-)