Re: Patti -Type of yogurt?

[Guest guest]

Patti,

Thanks so much for all that info. I didn't realize there was more healing

with the cow or goat yogurt, so that really helps me make a decision.

Whatever I do, I'm going to go very slow! That's hard, because it all tastes

so good!!! But 1/8 of a teaspoon is all we get to start out with. My son's

going to think I'm torturing him, lol. But that'll be ok.....because I'll be

in the torture process with him. Misery loves company, ya' know? :-)

I am like your friend. One sip of cow's milk and I'm sick for two days, and

I also notice it right away. However, I haven't been able to tolerate the

yogurt like your friend. Maybe once I do the intro diet for a few days, I'll

be able to.

Are we suppose to start the yogurt after the intro diet? I hear so many

people starting it at different times. Or do you just sort of feel it out as

to when you're ready?

Take care,

~

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: <pecanbread >

>Subject: Re: Type of yogurt?

>Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:27:15 -0700

>

>,

>

>You wrote:

><<No, I'm not allergic to nuts....they just bother the tummy. I'm nearly

>positive it's the fiber, but I suppose it could be something more. That's

>why I was wondering if nut MILK would bother me. ?>>

>

>Hmmmm.... well, it might be worth a try then, since nut milk has nearly all

>the fibrous parts strained out. If you tried a small amount and did okay,

>you could work up from there and see how your tummy feels.

>

><<And how exactly do you tell whether you're casein intolerant, or if it's

>a

>dairy intolerance? I understand that if it's dairy that bothers me, then I

>can go ahead with the cow yogurt. If casein bothers me, then I suppose I'd

>try the goat yogurt.>>

>

>Okay.... well, just going on memory, I think I remember you saying that you

>were " lactose intolerant " ... so I guess I assumed you knew it was the

>lactose. Lactose is the milk SUGAR... which bothers a lot of people. SCD

>yogurt is basically lactose-free... so it likely would not give you

>problems if that's the case.

>

>It's different, for example, for the kids who have severe " leaky gut "

>syndrome.... because they are actually having an allergic type reaction to

>the milk PROTEIN (casein). Many of those kids can tolerate yogurt made from

>goat milk, simply because they have not been previously exposed to the goat

>casein, so their bodies don't respond as if it were a threat.

>

>I honestly don't know how you tell whether you're reacting to lactose (milk

>sugar) or casein (milk protein). I was just assuming you knew it was the

>lactose.

>

>A friend of mine who is lactose intolerant (she is not on SCD) gets almost

>immediate stomach aches from ingesting even a small amount of regular milk,

>cheese or ice cream, etc....followed by diarrhea a couple of hours later.

>I gave her a bowl of my SCD cow-milk yogurt and she had ZERO tummy

>symptoms.

>

>You should probably proceed at whatever pace you feel comfortable with.

>Just know that the milk-based SCD yogurt does have healing qualities that

>go beyond what nut-milk yogurts can offer. Nut yogurt is basically just a

>way of " growing " more probiotics... it's a medium for cultivating them...

>and eating the nut yogurt is just a delivery system for those probiotics.

>It does have other good nutrients, too.

>

>Milk-based yogurt (cow or goat) seems to have other gut-healing qualities

>above and beyond that.

>

>Patti

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

We usually suggest people start yogurt after a few months on SCD if they've had

reactions to milk in the past. There's really no hard and fast " rule " on that

matter, though. In standard, " by the book " SCD, yogurt can be used right after

intro. Pretty much from the beginning. Everyone is different, so you'll need to

decide when you're ready. If you don't use yogurt, be sure you use an SCD-legal

acidophilus supplement so you can repopulate your gut with beneficial bacteria.

Patti

Re: Patti -Type of yogurt?

Are we suppose to start the yogurt after the intro diet? I hear so many

people starting it at different times. Or do you just sort of feel it out as

to when you're ready?

Take care,

~

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

>

> We usually suggest people start yogurt after a few months on SCD if

they've had reactions to milk in the past. There's really no hard and

fast " rule " on that matter, though. In standard, " by the book " SCD,

yogurt can be used right after intro. Pretty much from the beginning.

Everyone is different, so you'll need to decide when you're ready. If

you don't use yogurt, be sure you use an SCD-legal acidophilus

supplement so you can repopulate your gut with beneficial bacteria.

I read in the book that we might moisten our cheesecake with scd

yogurt during the intro diet, but if one is not able to tolerate the

yogurt right off the bat, will the body still heal? What if one is

never able to tolerate yogurt or acidophilus. They both upset my

stomach, leaving me gassy and creating urgency in the mornings. Could

there just be some people who do not tolerate both yogurt and

probiotics?

Thanks for your answer.

Best wishes,

Ronnie

>

>

> Patti

> Re: Patti -Type of yogurt?

>

>

> Are we suppose to start the yogurt after the intro diet? I hear

so many

> people starting it at different times. Or do you just sort of

feel it out as

> to when you're ready?

>

> Take care,

> ~

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Also, isn't it strange that I tolerate the cheeses (cheddar, farmers,

havarti, and swiss) but not the scd yogurt?

>

> ,

>

> We usually suggest people start yogurt after a few months on SCD if

they've had reactions to milk in the past. There's really no hard and

fast " rule " on that matter, though. In standard, " by the book " SCD,

yogurt can be used right after intro. Pretty much from the beginning.

Everyone is different, so you'll need to decide when you're ready. If

you don't use yogurt, be sure you use an SCD-legal acidophilus

supplement so you can repopulate your gut with beneficial bacteria.

>

>

> Patti

> Re: Patti -Type of yogurt?

>

>

> Are we suppose to start the yogurt after the intro diet? I hear

so many

> people starting it at different times. Or do you just sort of

feel it out as

> to when you're ready?

>

> Take care,

> ~

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would be very interested in anyone's answer. I can (even though I'm not on

the diet yet) tolerate cheese just fine, both cheddar and swiss. But I

cannot tolerate the yogurt or the acidophilus, either one, just like you,

Ronnie. So that confuses me too.

~

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: Re: Patti -Type of yogurt?

>Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:18:00 -0000

>

>Also, isn't it strange that I tolerate the cheeses (cheddar, farmers,

>havarti, and swiss) but not the scd yogurt?

>

>

> >

> > ,

> >

> > We usually suggest people start yogurt after a few months on SCD if

>they've had reactions to milk in the past. There's really no hard and

>fast " rule " on that matter, though. In standard, " by the book " SCD,

>yogurt can be used right after intro. Pretty much from the beginning.

>Everyone is different, so you'll need to decide when you're ready. If

>you don't use yogurt, be sure you use an SCD-legal acidophilus

>supplement so you can repopulate your gut with beneficial bacteria.

> >

> >

> > Patti

> > Re: Patti -Type of yogurt?

> >

> >

> > Are we suppose to start the yogurt after the intro diet? I hear

>so many

> > people starting it at different times. Or do you just sort of

>feel it out as

> > to when you're ready?

> >

> > Take care,

> > ~

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> >

> I read in the book that we might moisten our cheesecake with scd

> yogurt during the intro diet, but if one is not able to tolerate the

> yogurt right off the bat, will the body still heal? What if one is

> never able to tolerate yogurt or acidophilus. They both upset my

> stomach, leaving me gassy and creating urgency in the mornings. Could

> there just be some people who do not tolerate both yogurt and

> probiotics?

>

Yogurt is extremely helpful but it is not mandatory. Try another probiotic.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

Hi Ronnie,

> Also, isn't it strange that I tolerate the cheeses (cheddar,

farmers,

> havarti, and swiss) but not the scd yogurt?

Cheddar and havarti and swiss don't have as much of the helpful

bacteria as the yogurt. The good bacteria may be causing a lot of die

off - which is why we suggest to people that they start with a small

amount and gradually increase it.

Farmers cheese (that is similar to Brick cheese) is not SCD legal.

The farmers cheese, that is like DCCC, is legal.

Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

>Cheddar and havarti and swiss don't have as much of the helpful

>bacteria as the yogurt. The good bacteria may be causing a lot of die

>off - which is why we suggest to people that they start with a small

>amount and gradually increase it.

>

>Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs

>mom of and

Sheila,

Ok, major " duh " moment here. Cheese has helpful bacteria? I thought only the

yogurt did. That would certainly be encouraging, since I can handle some

cheddar and some swiss cheese.

When in the diet is it legal to start cheese?

~

Celiac

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[Guest guest]

n Jul 24, 2006, at 1:37 PM, Coats wrote:

>

>

>

>> Cheddar and havarti and swiss don't have as much of the helpful

>> bacteria as the yogurt. The good bacteria may be causing a lot of die

>> off - which is why we suggest to people that they start with a small

>> amount and gradually increase it.

>>

>> Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs

>> mom of and

Legal cheese aged properly (at least 30 days) has enzymes or bacterial

culture added that consumes the lactose so we can tolerate it. however

for billions of good gut bacteria, it's the yogurt that has the most

value.

Carol F.

Celiac, MCS, Latex Allergy, EMS

SCD 6 years

[Guest guest]

Not sure if my symptoms are " die-off. " Every time I start using scd

yogurt I get gassy pains in lower back. Is this actually die-off?

They stop when I stop the yogurt. The amount I was taking is 1/2 tsp

two times a day.

>

> Hi Ronnie,

>

> > Also, isn't it strange that I tolerate the cheeses (cheddar,

> farmers,

> > havarti, and swiss) but not the scd yogurt?

>

> Cheddar and havarti and swiss don't have as much of the helpful

> bacteria as the yogurt. The good bacteria may be causing a lot of

die

> off - which is why we suggest to people that they start with a

small

> amount and gradually increase it.

>

> Farmers cheese (that is similar to Brick cheese) is not SCD

legal.

> The farmers cheese, that is like DCCC, is legal.

>

> Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs

> mom of and

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

It is " legal " to start DCCC on the intro diet - right at the

beginning and to start other foods that are SCD legal right after

the intro - including cheese.

It is better to start slowly especially if still having lots of

symtoms after the intro. So, if you are still having symtoms after

the intro try a little of one of the legal cheese and then another

etc. Start with low amounts and go slow.

Enjoy the Swiss and Havarti

Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs

mom of and

>

> Ok, major " duh " moment here. Cheese has helpful bacteria? I

thought only the

> yogurt did. That would certainly be encouraging, since I can

handle some

> cheddar and some swiss cheese.

>

> When in the diet is it legal to start cheese?

[Guest guest]

Hi Ronnie,

Those symtoms may be die off, since some do get increased gas. I

would suggest cutting back to reduce the gas and start even lower at

1/8 tsp (split in half during the day). If that doesn't help skip a

day in between doses.

Let me know if that helps or not.

Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs

mom of and

>

> Not sure if my symptoms are " die-off. " Every time I start using scd

> yogurt I get gassy pains in lower back. Is this actually die-off?

> They stop when I stop the yogurt. The amount I was taking is 1/2 tsp

> two times a day.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much Sheila. That makes sense. I will definitely try it. It

great to have all of you out here. It helps so much!

Thanks again,

Ronnie

>

> Hi Ronnie,

>

> Those symtoms may be die off, since some do get increased gas. I

> would suggest cutting back to reduce the gas and start even lower

at

> 1/8 tsp (split in half during the day). If that doesn't help

skip a

> day in between doses.

>

> Let me know if that helps or not.

>

> Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs

> mom of and

> >

> > Not sure if my symptoms are " die-off. " Every time I start using

scd

> > yogurt I get gassy pains in lower back. Is this actually die-off?

> > They stop when I stop the yogurt. The amount I was taking is 1/2

tsp

> > two times a day.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

One more thought. If I use the yogurt in smaller amounts, as you

suggested, should I also discontinue making the custard and

cheesecake where scd yogurt is an ingredient? It seems to affect one

less when it is cooked, or should I wait on these too? Thanks again

for your input.

Best wishes,

Ronnie

>

> Hi Ronnie,

>

> Those symtoms may be die off, since some do get increased gas. I

> would suggest cutting back to reduce the gas and start even lower

at

> 1/8 tsp (split in half during the day). If that doesn't help

skip a

> day in between doses.

>

> Let me know if that helps or not.

>

> Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs

> mom of and

> >

> > Not sure if my symptoms are " die-off. " Every time I start using

scd

> > yogurt I get gassy pains in lower back. Is this actually die-off?

> > They stop when I stop the yogurt. The amount I was taking is 1/2

tsp

> > two times a day.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

" It seems to affect one less when it is cooked, "

When the yogurt is cooked, the beneficial bacteria die.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Sheila. I'll do my best to enjoy the cheeses. :-))

~

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: Re: Patti -Type of yogurt?

>Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:22:51 -0000

>

>Hi ,

>

>It is " legal " to start DCCC on the intro diet - right at the

>beginning and to start other foods that are SCD legal right after

>the intro - including cheese.

>

>It is better to start slowly especially if still having lots of

>symtoms after the intro. So, if you are still having symtoms after

>the intro try a little of one of the legal cheese and then another

>etc. Start with low amounts and go slow.

>

>Enjoy the Swiss and Havarti

>

>Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs

>mom of and

>

> >

> > Ok, major " duh " moment here. Cheese has helpful bacteria? I

>thought only the

> > yogurt did. That would certainly be encouraging, since I can

>handle some

> > cheddar and some swiss cheese.

> >

> > When in the diet is it legal to start cheese?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Ronnie,

You don't have the gas pain symptoms when you eat the

custard/cheesecake (ie . cooked), correct? If no pain, then you

should be fine with the cooked yogurt goodies.

Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs

mom of and

> One more thought. If I use the yogurt in smaller amounts, as you

> suggested, should I also discontinue making the custard and

> cheesecake where scd yogurt is an ingredient? It seems to affect one

> less when it is cooked, or should I wait on these too? Thanks again

> for your input.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sheila,

I have a batch that will be ready today. I'll cut back on the

uncooked and cook up the rest. Thanks Again!!!

Best wishes,

Ronnie

>

> Hi Ronnie,

>

> You don't have the gas pain symptoms when you eat the

> custard/cheesecake (ie . cooked), correct? If no pain, then you

> should be fine with the cooked yogurt goodies.

>

> Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs

> mom of and

>

> > One more thought. If I use the yogurt in smaller amounts, as you

> > suggested, should I also discontinue making the custard and

> > cheesecake where scd yogurt is an ingredient? It seems to affect

one

> > less when it is cooked, or should I wait on these too? Thanks

again

> > for your input.

> >

>