SCD yogurt. Could instant read meat thermometer be used?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I am about to embark on making SCD yogurt after being on the diet for

more than 7 months. A long time, I know. But my daughter just didn't

improve on SCD. Still bloated and distended. If anyone could help me

understand why she doesn't do well on SCD, I'll be most interested.

But since her diet has finally expanded to a little more than the

Intro food and I'm beginning to understand what she could tolerate

and what she couldn't, I'm very keen to try the yogurt.

I couldn't find any thermometer in the groccery store other than the

instant read thermometer that is accurate to 2 degree. Is that ok?

Is yogurt maker with plastic container safe to use?

Anyone with recommendation for a yogurt maker that is good and not

too expensive?

Thank you in advance.

[Guest guest]

> Hi,

>

> I am about to embark on making SCD yogurt after being on the diet for

> more than 7 months. A long time, I know. But my daughter just didn't

> improve on SCD. Still bloated and distended. If anyone could help me

> understand why she doesn't do well on SCD, I'll be most interested.

>

> But since her diet has finally expanded to a little more than the

> Intro food and I'm beginning to understand what she could tolerate

> and what she couldn't, I'm very keen to try the yogurt.

Why hasn't her diet expanded ? The intro is only for a maximum of

fice days and usually only two to three days.

A department store or hardware will have the thermometer.

The yogurt maker with the plastic container is safe to use.

>

>

Carol F.

Celiac, MCS, Latex Allergy, EMS

SCD 6 years

[Guest guest]

Carol,

Thanks for your reply.

Her diet has expanded a little.

The reason why it took so long was because she reacted to EVERY

SINGLE thing I tried to introduced and kept getting worse. So she was

stuck on Intro for a looong time. Then I realised that she wasn't

tolerating the carrots, eggs and celery in the Intro Diet either. By

then it was several months since everyone we asked suggested that it

might be initial die-off.

After we took off the things in the Intro diet that she couldn't

tolerate, she was still reacting to many new foods we tried to

introduce. We finally found the pattern and realised that she reacted

to ALL the food that are higher in oxalate (has rashes or nose bleed)

and phenolic food (tantrums soar and become aggressive) and amine

food (has rashes). So we have been expanding food slowly, adding in

food that she could tolerate.

She is still extremely bloated. She wakes up with a flat tummy and

gets more and more bloated through the day. I am hoping that the

yogurt will help to heal her gut and help resolve the bloating.

Sorry for the long post.

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > I am about to embark on making SCD yogurt after being on the diet

for

> > more than 7 months. A long time, I know. But my daughter just

didn't

> > improve on SCD. Still bloated and distended. If anyone could help

me

> > understand why she doesn't do well on SCD, I'll be most

interested.

> >

> > But since her diet has finally expanded to a little more than the

> > Intro food and I'm beginning to understand what she could tolerate

> > and what she couldn't, I'm very keen to try the yogurt.

>

> Why hasn't her diet expanded ? The intro is only for a maximum

of

> fice days and usually only two to three days.

> A department store or hardware will have the thermometer.

> The yogurt maker with the plastic container is safe to use.

> >

> >

> Carol F.

> Celiac, MCS, Latex Allergy, EMS

> SCD 6 years

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

What is she eating now?

Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs

mom of and

>

> Thanks for your reply.

> Her diet has expanded a little.

> The reason why it took so long was because she reacted to EVERY

> SINGLE thing I tried to introduced and kept getting worse. So she

was

> stuck on Intro for a looong time. Then I realised that she wasn't

> tolerating the carrots, eggs and celery in the Intro Diet either.

By

> then it was several months since everyone we asked suggested that

it

> might be initial die-off.

>

> After we took off the things in the Intro diet that she couldn't

> tolerate, she was still reacting to many new foods we tried to

> introduce. We finally found the pattern and realised that she

reacted

> to ALL the food that are higher in oxalate (has rashes or nose

bleed)

> and phenolic food (tantrums soar and become aggressive) and amine

> food (has rashes). So we have been expanding food slowly, adding

in

> food that she could tolerate.

>

> She is still extremely bloated. She wakes up with a flat tummy and

> gets more and more bloated through the day. I am hoping that the

> yogurt will help to heal her gut and help resolve the bloating.

>

> Sorry for the long post.

>

[Guest guest]

Sheila,

The entire list of food she's eating is:

chicken

pork

peas (not too much at a time)

cabbage

broccoli

cauliflower

asparagus (a little)

iceberg lettuce

zucchini

honeydew

Everything is peeled, seeded, boiled.

I know, most of those vegetables are gas causing. But she cannot

tolerated many other food.

Things I tried that didn't work are:

apples - rashes and her tantrum soar

pears - rashes

avocado - rashes

pineapples - rashes and tantrum soar

banana - out of focus

carrots - overall regression

green beans (french cut and otherwise) - rashes

acorn squash - rashes

butternut squash - rashes

beet - nose bleed

Regards,

>

> Hi ,

>

> What is she eating now?

>

> Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs

> mom of and

> >

> > Thanks for your reply.

> > Her diet has expanded a little.

> > The reason why it took so long was because she reacted to EVERY

> > SINGLE thing I tried to introduced and kept getting worse. So she

> was

> > stuck on Intro for a looong time. Then I realised that she wasn't

> > tolerating the carrots, eggs and celery in the Intro Diet either.

> By

> > then it was several months since everyone we asked suggested that

> it

> > might be initial die-off.

> >

> > After we took off the things in the Intro diet that she couldn't

> > tolerate, she was still reacting to many new foods we tried to

> > introduce. We finally found the pattern and realised that she

> reacted

> > to ALL the food that are higher in oxalate (has rashes or nose

> bleed)

> > and phenolic food (tantrums soar and become aggressive) and amine

> > food (has rashes). So we have been expanding food slowly, adding

> in

> > food that she could tolerate.

> >

> > She is still extremely bloated. She wakes up with a flat tummy

and

> > gets more and more bloated through the day. I am hoping that the

> > yogurt will help to heal her gut and help resolve the bloating.

> >

> > Sorry for the long post.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

>

> The entire list of food she's eating is:

> chicken

> pork

> peas (not too much at a time)

> cabbage

> broccoli

> cauliflower

> asparagus (a little)

> iceberg lettuce

> zucchini

> honeydew

>

> Everything is peeled, seeded, boiled.

Are you using the baby/petite peas - she may do better with these.

The cabbage, broccoli and cauliflower are likely the cause of the

gas and bloating. How about some other alternatives? Spinach,

celery, cucmber, green peppers, red peppers. And for some legal

carbs: cantelope, berries (cooked, pureed and seived) etc.

Has she ever had a yeast problem? I am wondering if that is the

cause of the rash since all the rash foods are those higher in legal

carbs.

Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs

mom of and

>

> I know, most of those vegetables are gas causing. But she cannot

> tolerated many other food.

> Things I tried that didn't work are:

> apples - rashes and her tantrum soar

> pears - rashes

> avocado - rashes

> pineapples - rashes and tantrum soar

> banana - out of focus

> carrots - overall regression

> green beans (french cut and otherwise) - rashes

> acorn squash - rashes

> butternut squash - rashes

> beet - nose bleed

>

[Guest guest]

Yeast is an issue. Sounds like the child has low levels of copper, maybe too

much zinc supplementation.

The more copper and zinc get out of balance with each other, the higher the

chance of histamine levels going up, thus more food reactions.

I am finding some small varieties of broccoli and cauliflower may be easier on

digestion. The stuff I grow is going down fine, and I have stayed away from

these two vegetables for a very long time, but I bought these varieties from an

organic nursery. I cannot digest the broccoli and cauliflower in the store very

well, makes me very gassy.

I would stay away from celery at this time.

Summer

Sheila Trenholm wrote:

Hi ,

>

> The entire list of food she's eating is:

> chicken

> pork

> peas (not too much at a time)

> cabbage

> broccoli

> cauliflower

> asparagus (a little)

> iceberg lettuce

> zucchini

> honeydew

>

> Everything is peeled, seeded, boiled.

Are you using the baby/petite peas - she may do better with these.

The cabbage, broccoli and cauliflower are likely the cause of the

gas and bloating. How about some other alternatives? Spinach,

celery, cucmber, green peppers, red peppers. And for some legal

carbs: cantelope, berries (cooked, pureed and seived) etc.

Has she ever had a yeast problem? I am wondering if that is the

cause of the rash since all the rash foods are those higher in legal

carbs.

Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs

mom of and

>

> I know, most of those vegetables are gas causing. But she cannot

> tolerated many other food.

> Things I tried that didn't work are:

> apples - rashes and her tantrum soar

> pears - rashes

> avocado - rashes

> pineapples - rashes and tantrum soar

> banana - out of focus

> carrots - overall regression

> green beans (french cut and otherwise) - rashes

> acorn squash - rashes

> butternut squash - rashes

> beet - nose bleed

>

Summer's Family, SCD 08/04 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/openblooms/

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Sheila,

> Are you using the baby/petite peas - she may do better with these.

> The cabbage, broccoli and cauliflower are likely the cause of the

> gas and bloating. How about some other alternatives? Spinach,

> celery, cucmber, green peppers, red peppers. And for some legal

> carbs: cantelope, berries (cooked, pureed and seived) etc.

Yes, I am using petite peas.

She does ok with cucumber but doesn't eat it often.

Spinach, celery, green peppers are high in oxalate and causes rahes.

I will try red peppers soon.

Berries are out for now because of their phenol content. Will try

cantelope.

> Has she ever had a yeast problem? I am wondering if that is the

> cause of the rash since all the rash foods are those higher in

legal

> carbs.

I'm not sure. Her OAT showed no yeast. There was also no die-off or

any other changes when we gave her candidase a few months ago. Her

doctor prescribed diflucan a few weeks ago and there was no

improvements. The doctor then told us to stop diflucan saying that

she probably doesn't have yeast since she doesn't exhibit yeasty

behavior.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Summer,

Why do you think yeast is a problem?

She does have chlostridia the last time we checked, but no yeast.

Could bad bacteria have the same effect?

What makes you suspect low level of copper?

> Hi ,

> >

> > The entire list of food she's eating is:

> > chicken

> > pork

> > peas (not too much at a time)

> > cabbage

> > broccoli

> > cauliflower

> > asparagus (a little)

> > iceberg lettuce

> > zucchini

> > honeydew

> >

> > Everything is peeled, seeded, boiled.

>

> Are you using the baby/petite peas - she may do better with these.

> The cabbage, broccoli and cauliflower are likely the cause of the

> gas and bloating. How about some other alternatives? Spinach,

> celery, cucmber, green peppers, red peppers. And for some legal

> carbs: cantelope, berries (cooked, pureed and seived) etc.

>

> Has she ever had a yeast problem? I am wondering if that is the

> cause of the rash since all the rash foods are those higher in

legal

> carbs.

>

> Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs

> mom of and

>

> >

> > I know, most of those vegetables are gas causing. But she cannot

> > tolerated many other food.

> > Things I tried that didn't work are:

> > apples - rashes and her tantrum soar

> > pears - rashes

> > avocado - rashes

> > pineapples - rashes and tantrum soar

> > banana - out of focus

> > carrots - overall regression

> > green beans (french cut and otherwise) - rashes

> > acorn squash - rashes

> > butternut squash - rashes

> > beet - nose bleed

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Summer's Family, SCD 08/04

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/openblooms/

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

,

There are only a few tests for yeast, the majority of yeast has not been

mapped out. From your descriptions, I can tell yeast is a problem. Yeast is side

by side with chlostridia. Multiple infections, viral, bacterial and fungal are

par for the course.

Diflucan is toxic to the liver, decreases the body's lymph system, which

depresses the immune system even more, making it easier for yeast to get even

more out of control.

Nose bleeds often happen from low copper from too much zinc. The balance has

to be just right. Zinc uses up copper.

The thing with oxalates, it is indicitive of extreme leaky gut and severe

fatty acid malabsorption. The body is not supposed to absorb unbound oxalates

across the board through the intestine.

So staying away from oxalate food has temporary benefits of making life more

handable, but it is not addressing the cause of the problem which continues to

get worse.

The rashes are a combination of things, its hard saying that oxalates are the

cause, or a food, because the causes are not oxalates or food, but the immune

system reactivity from severe leaky gut.

I would consider 's protocol, especially in regards to zinc, copper b

vits and metafolin. These are some things that help to dampen histamine release.

What are you doing for the chlostridia?

Summer

kellytcy wrote:

Summer,

Why do you think yeast is a problem?

She does have chlostridia the last time we checked, but no yeast.

Could bad bacteria have the same effect?

What makes you suspect low level of copper?

> Hi ,

> >

> > The entire list of food she's eating is:

> > chicken

> > pork

> > peas (not too much at a time)

> > cabbage

> > broccoli

> > cauliflower

> > asparagus (a little)

> > iceberg lettuce

> > zucchini

> > honeydew

> >

> > Everything is peeled, seeded, boiled.

>

> Are you using the baby/petite peas - she may do better with these.

> The cabbage, broccoli and cauliflower are likely the cause of the

> gas and bloating. How about some other alternatives? Spinach,

> celery, cucmber, green peppers, red peppers. And for some legal

> carbs: cantelope, berries (cooked, pureed and seived) etc.

>

> Has she ever had a yeast problem? I am wondering if that is the

> cause of the rash since all the rash foods are those higher in

legal

> carbs.

>

> Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs

> mom of and

>

> >

> > I know, most of those vegetables are gas causing. But she cannot

> > tolerated many other food.

> > Things I tried that didn't work are:

> > apples - rashes and her tantrum soar

> > pears - rashes

> > avocado - rashes

> > pineapples - rashes and tantrum soar

> > banana - out of focus

> > carrots - overall regression

> > green beans (french cut and otherwise) - rashes

> > acorn squash - rashes

> > butternut squash - rashes

> > beet - nose bleed

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Summer's Family, SCD 08/04

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/openblooms/

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

" She does have chlostridia the last time we checked, but no yeast "

Look into saccharomyces boulardii for the clostridia.

SCD alone will not tackle the clostridia problem because unlike most

pathogenic bacterias, clostridia can feed on protein as well as

carbohydrates.

So, you'll need to do something either natural (the S. Boulardii) or

prescription to get rid of the clostridia.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Jody,

Thanks for your input.

We are already using Saccharomyces boulardii for the clostridia.

>

> " She does have chlostridia the last time we checked, but no yeast "

>

> Look into saccharomyces boulardii for the clostridia.

>

> SCD alone will not tackle the clostridia problem because unlike most

> pathogenic bacterias, clostridia can feed on protein as well as

> carbohydrates.

>

> So, you'll need to do something either natural (the S. Boulardii) or

> prescription to get rid of the clostridia.

>

>

> Jody

> mom to -7 and -9

> SCD 1/03

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Summer:

What do you do for yeast?

Diflucan is toxic to the liver, decreases the body's lymph system, which

> depresses the immune system even more, making it easier for yeast to get

> even more out of control.

>

maria , mom to fiol 19 scd 1/06