Re: Total Confusion ---- Please Help

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In a message dated 8/29/2000 10:02:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

MSuZQue@... writes:

<< Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated.

Baton Rouge, LA >>

,

Go to www.clos.net and start reading about Dr. Rutledge. Download and

print the patient manuel and read everything at the site. research it so that

you can make an informed decision, because you are right, WLS is a big step

and a big decision.

Cathy Morrow in Lenoir, NC

BMI 42

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step

[Guest guest]

Well, I doubt if anybody here is going to try to convince you that the

RNY is the way to go, since it is vastly inferior to the MGB and it is

not as safe, nor is it as effective at weight loss. The MGB is *not* an

RNY.

If you'd like to read comparison information on the MGB compared with

statistics for the RNY, read Dr. Rutledge's presentation to the American

Society of Bariatric Surgeons at:

http://www.clos.net/mgb-paper/MGB-Paper061300.htm

Also, see some pictures of the various procedures at:

http://www.fourlane.com/whymgb.com

Kind regards,

MSuZQue@... wrote:

>

> I have been researching WLS for about two months. I am 54 years old,

> 5'9 " tall, weighing 290 lbs. (BMI 42.5).

>

> I spoke with my PCP about WLS and he told me that he thought the VBG

> would be the best way to go. Then I found the OSSG website and heard

> from many, many patients who had the VBG that the surgery was

> disappointing and many ended up having the RNY.

>

> Now I read that the RNY is very dangerous. I am trying to make an

> informed decision about surgery. I consider having WLS to be a

> drastic step -- probably the biggest decision I've ever made in my

> life. There are so many conflicting stories. How do you get the

> straight poop on something? My insurance will cover the WLS, I have

> made contact with a surgeon (but have not seen him, but hearing

> negative stories about a surgery that I had decided on is very scary.

>

> Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated.

>

>

> Baton Rouge, LA

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi. All of this is so very confusing. I took a year to investigate

all of the surgeries. There are many different types of surgeries,

and if you read the negative information posted yesterday about the

MGB, please note that those surgeon's for some reason listed only two

of the surgeries as " acceptable " surgeries. There are many other

surgeries that are done every day with good results. There is a lot

of mis-information given by those surgeon's who obviously have not

taken the time to acutally look at Dr. Rutledge's web site to see

what the MGB is really all about. It seems that some of them hear the

word " loop " and everything else goes out the other ear. The surgery

that Dr. R does is done all over the U.S. for patients who have

ulcers and stomach cancer and need the operation to help those

problems. Dr. Rutledge is the only surgeon who uses it as weight-loss

surgery. The surgery itself has been around for nearly 100 years and

you can do your own search on the Billroth II and find information

backing the safety of the proceedure. Dr. Rutledge had modified the

surgery slightly to insure that there is no bile reflux. I am no

medical expert, but I have read post after post where Dr. R has both

explained and defended himself against Dr.'s(always the same one's)

misconceptions of his surgery. I talked with people who had different

types of surgeries, and the best advice that I can give you is to

read this list and then go to ANY of the other lists where people

have ANY of the other types of surgeries and read about all of the

problems and complications that they are having. This is the main

reason that I decided to have the MGB. You really have to read it to

understand from the patients standpoint. This choice can only be made

by you. I am post-op MGB, but the lap RNY would have been my second

choice. I would not have chosen the open RNY because my skin does not

really heal well, and there are many people who have problems with

incisions not healing well. I would NOT have chosen the VGB, because

I have read of so many people having problems as well as weight re-

gain with the VGB. I would also not have had the lap-band, or the one

with the ring because of the lack of weight-loss or weight regain

with displacement. The BDS type surgery seemed way too extreme for me.

I'm sure that there are others that I have not listed, but my point

is that the decision is yours. All doctors have their preferences,

too, but you need to research and make the decision yourself rather

than letting your PCP choose. You can find negative information on

ALL of the different types of surgeries. The best thing that I

can tell you there is to make SURE that you check out the surgeon's

standing with the State that he works in. There are some surgeon's

who have excessive complication and death rates, and many of them

will not be honest with you about such things. If the MGB were a

dangerous proceedure, Dr. Rutledge would not be allowed to perform

it. It is in fact a well-proven surgery that has been done for many

years. If I can help you in any way, please email me at talachee @

hotmail.com and good luck in your search for the best surgery for you.

Stormy in Alabama MGB 8/11/00

5'8 " Starting weight 278/254

> I have been researching WLS for about two months. I am 54 years

old,

> 5'9 " tall, weighing 290 lbs. (BMI 42.5).

>

> I spoke with my PCP about WLS and he told me that he thought the

VBG

> would be the best way to go. Then I found the OSSG website and

heard

> from many, many patients who had the VBG that the surgery was

> disappointing and many ended up having the RNY.

>

> Now I read that the RNY is very dangerous. I am trying to make an

> informed decision about surgery. I consider having WLS to be a

> drastic step -- probably the biggest decision I've ever made in my

> life. There are so many conflicting stories. How do you get the

> straight poop on something? My insurance will cover the WLS, I

have

> made contact with a surgeon (but have not seen him, but hearing

> negative stories about a surgery that I had decided on is very

scary.

>

> Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated.

>

>

> Baton Rouge, LA

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I was in the same predicament that you are going thru until someone sent me

an email on the MGB. Then all of my confusion cleared up realizing that this

bypass surgery sure seems a lot safer than the open RNY. There is much

confusion to be had by all the different stories,but I know in my heart that

the MGB is the route I will take. Let me know what you are going to do , I

would be interested.

Thanks

Pat Iurato

Las Vegas, Nevada

[Guest guest]

Hi Stormy,

You are so right. It's taken me a long time to actually decide that I will

take the drastic step to have surgery -- then I find out that this is only

the FIRST decision. Next comes what kind of surgery. Who knew we'd have

choices. My PCP really wants me to have the VBG -- but after reading lots of

negatives about it, I decided on the RNY. Now I am hearing that this would

also be a bad decision. I am in Louisiana. How do I find a list of surgeons

who do the MGB? Thanks for any help -- and God be with you on your procedure

in September.

Baton Rouge

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/29/2000 3:45:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MSuZQue@...

writes:

<< How do I find a list of surgeons

who do the MGB? >>

Dr. Rutledge is the only surgeon in the US doing the MGB.

Cathy Morrow in Lenoir, NC

BMI 42

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step

[Guest guest]

Thanks for abtrief and cogent summary!

Re: Total Confusion ---- Please Help

> Hi. All of this is so very confusing. I took a year to investigate

> all of the surgeries. There are many different types of surgeries,

> and if you read the negative information posted yesterday about the

> MGB, please note that those surgeon's for some reason listed only two

> of the surgeries as " acceptable " surgeries. There are many other

> surgeries that are done every day with good results. There is a lot

> of mis-information given by those surgeon's who obviously have not

> taken the time to acutally look at Dr. Rutledge's web site to see

> what the MGB is really all about. It seems that some of them hear the

> word " loop " and everything else goes out the other ear. The surgery

> that Dr. R does is done all over the U.S. for patients who have

> ulcers and stomach cancer and need the operation to help those

> problems. Dr. Rutledge is the only surgeon who uses it as weight-loss

> surgery. The surgery itself has been around for nearly 100 years and

> you can do your own search on the Billroth II and find information

> backing the safety of the proceedure. Dr. Rutledge had modified the

> surgery slightly to insure that there is no bile reflux. I am no

> medical expert, but I have read post after post where Dr. R has both

> explained and defended himself against Dr.'s(always the same one's)

> misconceptions of his surgery. I talked with people who had different

> types of surgeries, and the best advice that I can give you is to

> read this list and then go to ANY of the other lists where people

> have ANY of the other types of surgeries and read about all of the

> problems and complications that they are having. This is the main

> reason that I decided to have the MGB. You really have to read it to

> understand from the patients standpoint. This choice can only be made

> by you. I am post-op MGB, but the lap RNY would have been my second

> choice. I would not have chosen the open RNY because my skin does not

> really heal well, and there are many people who have problems with

> incisions not healing well. I would NOT have chosen the VGB, because

> I have read of so many people having problems as well as weight re-

> gain with the VGB. I would also not have had the lap-band, or the one

> with the ring because of the lack of weight-loss or weight regain

> with displacement. The BDS type surgery seemed way too extreme for me.

> I'm sure that there are others that I have not listed, but my point

> is that the decision is yours. All doctors have their preferences,

> too, but you need to research and make the decision yourself rather

> than letting your PCP choose. You can find negative information on

> ALL of the different types of surgeries. The best thing that I

> can tell you there is to make SURE that you check out the surgeon's

> standing with the State that he works in. There are some surgeon's

> who have excessive complication and death rates, and many of them

> will not be honest with you about such things. If the MGB were a

> dangerous proceedure, Dr. Rutledge would not be allowed to perform

> it. It is in fact a well-proven surgery that has been done for many

> years. If I can help you in any way, please email me at talachee @

> hotmail.com and good luck in your search for the best surgery for you.

>

> Stormy in Alabama MGB 8/11/00

> 5'8 " Starting weight 278/254

>

>

>

> > I have been researching WLS for about two months. I am 54 years

> old,

> > 5'9 " tall, weighing 290 lbs. (BMI 42.5).

> >

> > I spoke with my PCP about WLS and he told me that he thought the

> VBG

> > would be the best way to go. Then I found the OSSG website and

> heard

> > from many, many patients who had the VBG that the surgery was

> > disappointing and many ended up having the RNY.

> >

> > Now I read that the RNY is very dangerous. I am trying to make an

> > informed decision about surgery. I consider having WLS to be a

> > drastic step -- probably the biggest decision I've ever made in my

> > life. There are so many conflicting stories. How do you get the

> > straight poop on something? My insurance will cover the WLS, I

> have

> > made contact with a surgeon (but have not seen him, but hearing

> > negative stories about a surgery that I had decided on is very

> scary.

> >

> > Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated.

> >

> >

> > Baton Rouge, LA

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

stormy, good answer I was going to say the same thing lol. hugs marg

[Guest guest]

:

Keep researching. You're approaching this the corrrect way. It's a big

decision and you can't afford to make it without positive and negative

input.

Warm regards,

Judith in Seattle

Re: Re: Total Confusion ---- Please Help

> Hi Stormy,

>

> You are so right. It's taken me a long time to actually decide that I

will

> take the drastic step to have surgery -- then I find out that this is only

> the FIRST decision. Next comes what kind of surgery. Who knew we'd have

> choices. My PCP really wants me to have the VBG -- but after reading lots

of

> negatives about it, I decided on the RNY. Now I am hearing that this

would

> also be a bad decision. I am in Louisiana. How do I find a list of

surgeons

> who do the MGB? Thanks for any help -- and God be with you on your

procedure

> in September.

>

>

> Baton Rouge

>

>

> This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com

> Please visit our web site at http://clos.net

> Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm

>

> To Unsubscribe Send and Email to:

MiniGastricBypass-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Pat,

Where did you find your doctor that does the MGB? All I can find is a Dr.

Rutledge in North Carolina and I don't really want to travel that far. Still

confusing, but I do appreciate your advice.

[Guest guest]

Hi . Dr. Rutledge is the only surgeon doing the MGB for weight-

loss. Many, maybe even most, of his patients are from out of State. I

traveled ten hours, but I know lots of folks have traveled much

further than I did. The MGB is NOT the Mason Loop, but is the

Billroth II Loop, modified. You will not find anyone else doing it

yet. That's why Dr. Rutledge is so very busy! You can find out

anything that you want about this surgery at www.clos.net.

There are some surgeons who do the lap RNY in New Orleans. They have

a website, too. I'm sure that there are others who do lap RNY's in

your State, but you would have to go to www.obesityhelp.com and look

under surgeons in your State to find out. I am SO glad that I had the

MGB, but it may not be practical for you to have to travel to get

this surgery. The decision is yours, and what ever you choose I wish

you luck!

Stormy

> Hi Stormy,

>

> You are so right. It's taken me a long time to actually decide

that I will

> take the drastic step to have surgery -- then I find out that this

is only

> the FIRST decision. Next comes what kind of surgery. Who knew

we'd have

> choices. My PCP really wants me to have the VBG -- but after

reading lots of

> negatives about it, I decided on the RNY. Now I am hearing that

this would

> also be a bad decision. I am in Louisiana. How do I find a list

of surgeons

> who do the MGB? Thanks for any help -- and God be with you on your

procedure

> in September.

>

>

> Baton Rouge

[Guest guest]

Hi , Dinah in Alabama here. I had the mgb on Aug 16 after

several months of investigation! lol I had decided to go to Atlanta

to Dr. C and have the rny before I stumbled on Dr R site. I am not

quite two weeks post op and I'm fine! Back at work, cleaning house,

doing anything I want to do. Dr. R is requires that you know what

youare getting into before he performs the surgery. Ask any questions

you want. We are all here to help.

Dinah

> Hi Stormy,

>

> You are so right. It's taken me a long time to actually decide

that I will

> take the drastic step to have surgery -- then I find out that this

is only

> the FIRST decision. Next comes what kind of surgery. Who knew

we'd have

> choices. My PCP really wants me to have the VBG -- but after

reading lots of

> negatives about it, I decided on the RNY. Now I am hearing that

this would

> also be a bad decision. I am in Louisiana. How do I find a list

of surgeons

> who do the MGB? Thanks for any help -- and God be with you on your

procedure

> in September.

>

>

> Baton Rouge

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am going to travel to Durham when I get approved for surgery. Sorry if I

mislead you to believe that I knew of another doctor.

Keep in touch

Pat

,Nevada

[Guest guest]

I guess I just never thought about traveling somewhere for surgery. It seems

very strange to me. Have always relied on local doctors in the past. Guess

I also wonder if my insurance would cover surgery in another state. Have

gone ahead and done the out-of-state patient info sheet for Dr. R. and have

downloaded it in my files. Will let you know what I decide. Thanks for your

concern.

[Guest guest]

Hi from Baton Rouge, LA

I have filled out the out-of-state patient information packet and have gotten

my insurance letter from Dr. R to send to my insurance company. Will just

take it one day at a time and get very educated on these surgeries. After

all, it took me a long time to get to this point. Having the most sensible

surgery is my main thought right now. Thanks for all your help.