Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 when you work at something for a while you discover its a process and not rules if you go back to the name of this board 'pecanbread' u can see that the whole nut flour/honey thing is in fact an attempt to keep the cake and biscuit cooking with different materials, but its not in fact optimal from an scd point of view i eat two main meals a day basically veg and meat based with supplementation to extend blood sugar etc with google you have a much superior research tool to any university library > > I note you have had some criticisms of SCD, deficiencies which you > feel Elaine overlooked or never got around to. > > How long have you followed SCD, ? has it helped you? When did you > begin all your research? > > Carol F. > Toronto, celiac, SCD 6 years > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 , You are right,pecan bread is not the optimal SCD food. True confession,I am the one who is guilty of coming up with that name. I had wanted a name that was distinctly SCD. While meat and veggies are eaten on all diets.SCD is the only diet that has nut breads. Pecanbread is just an easy name to remember our website and list,not a recommendation. Many kids do better by eliminating all nuts for a short time or forever. mimi > if you go back to the name of this board 'pecanbread' u can see that > the whole nut flour/honey thing is in fact an attempt to keep the cake > and biscuit cooking with different materials, but its not in fact > optimal from an scd point of view > > i eat two main meals a day basically veg and meat based with > supplementation to extend blood sugar etc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 There was another consideration for using the name " pecanbread " for our website and list. Many parents have the following initial reaction when they hear that SCD forbids grains and potatoes: " My kid will starve on this diet,all he can eat are chips and cookies " . The name " pecanbread " gives parents the idea that there are foods on this diet that are a bridge to SCD. Parents can make nut cookies,muffins,pancakes,squash chips and other foods that picky kids will accept. Gradually,the parents can sneak in vegetables into the muffins. After a month or so,the parents are astonished that their child will eat veggies and meat. Most parents will see nice improvement in behavior and digestion with this " transition to SCD " diet. After a while,the child can restart the diet with the intro diet and the gradual introduction of foods that he can tolerate. After this reintroduction,the parents will get even better results! I have read posts from parents who were doing the SCD without doing the intro diet. When these parents were told to go back to the intro diet and a gradual addition of foods,their children started to talk for the first time. mimi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 > when you work at something for a while you discover its a process and > not rules > > if you go back to the name of this board 'pecanbread' u can see that > the whole nut flour/honey thing is in fact an attempt to keep the > cake > and biscuit cooking with different materials, but its not in fact > optimal from an scd point of view > > i eat two main meals a day basically veg and meat based with > supplementation to extend blood sugar etc > > with google you have a much superior research tool to any university > library , I rejoice at the introduction of that marvelous resource, " Google Scholar. " An autistic adult is often very direct and very literal. You post many protocols here which you have researched. Since you do not like to be corrected or excluded on this list, it would be helpful to newcomers to state from time to time that although you DO NOT FOLLOW THE SCD yourself, you spend a lot of time analyzing it. Although I taught two six week SCD cooking courses, I do not bake anymore, except the intro cheesecake as I tend to over consume the results. TOO MUCH nut flour and honey has undesirable effects on me. However, I am neither underweight nor undernourished. In the case of the children, many were so carb addicted or overfed GFCF convenience snacks that it takes time to get them transitioned to more meat, vegetables, fruits and in our case, yogurt which is often so helpful in gastric and brain function improvements. Your findings are of great interest but not universally applicable. If you would qualify that you personally are not SCD it would allow parents and individuals to process your suggestions objectively. My suggestion is to state under your signature, the type of diet you follow. Meat and vegetables in two meals a day. It will give our subscribers an opportunity to examine your findings with a realistic an unbiased perspective. This is a friendly suggestion as I have no ability or desire to censure your posts or participation here as long as I know upon what they are based and that is not Elaine Gottschall's SCD.. Carol F. Toronto, celiac, SCD 6 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Wow. Signed Summer, User of enzymes and follower of a specific carbohydrate type diet, with bone marrow broth, often eats egg yolks for breakfest. Goes to local farms to buy meat and eggs although these have not been confirmed meat and eggs. Soaker of nuts when very occassionally eaten. Maker of butter, grower of oregano, non commercial juice drinking. Carol Frilegh wrote: , I rejoice at the introduction of that marvelous resource, " Google Scholar. " An autistic adult is often very direct and very literal. You post many protocols here which you have researched. Since you do not like to be corrected or excluded on this list, it would be helpful to newcomers to state from time to time that although you DO NOT FOLLOW THE SCD yourself, you spend a lot of time analyzing it. Although I taught two six week SCD cooking courses, I do not bake anymore, except the intro cheesecake as I tend to over consume the results. TOO MUCH nut flour and honey has undesirable effects on me. However, I am neither underweight nor undernourished. In the case of the children, many were so carb addicted or overfed GFCF convenience snacks that it takes time to get them transitioned to more meat, vegetables, fruits and in our case, yogurt which is often so helpful in gastric and brain function improvements. Your findings are of great interest but not universally applicable. If you would qualify that you personally are not SCD it would allow parents and individuals to process your suggestions objectively. My suggestion is to state under your signature, the type of diet you follow. Meat and vegetables in two meals a day. It will give our subscribers an opportunity to examine your findings with a realistic an unbiased perspective. This is a friendly suggestion as I have no ability or desire to censure your posts or participation here as long as I know upon what they are based and that is not Elaine Gottschall's SCD.. Carol F. Toronto, celiac, SCD 6 years For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 this isn't addressed to me, but I'm confused. Can't someone be on the SCD and eat only meat and vegetables, as long as the particular meat and vegetables are SC legal? Must one eat nutbread, honey, etc., to be on the diet? Helen > > > when you work at something for a while you discover its a process and > > not rules > > > > if you go back to the name of this board 'pecanbread' u can see that > > the whole nut flour/honey thing is in fact an attempt to keep the > > cake > > and biscuit cooking with different materials, but its not in fact > > optimal from an scd point of view > > > > i eat two main meals a day basically veg and meat based with > > supplementation to extend blood sugar etc > > > > with google you have a much superior research tool to any university > > library > > , > > I rejoice at the introduction of that marvelous resource, " Google > Scholar. " > > An autistic adult is often very direct and very literal. > > You post many protocols here which you have researched. Since you do > not like to be corrected or excluded on this list, it would be helpful > to newcomers to state from time to time that although you DO NOT FOLLOW > THE SCD yourself, you spend a lot of time analyzing it. > > Although I taught two six week SCD cooking courses, I do not bake > anymore, except the intro cheesecake as I tend to over consume the > results. TOO MUCH nut flour and honey has undesirable effects on me. > However, I am neither underweight nor undernourished. > > In the case of the children, many were so carb addicted or overfed GFCF > convenience snacks that it takes time to get them transitioned to more > meat, vegetables, fruits and in our case, yogurt which is often so > helpful in gastric and brain function improvements. > > Your findings are of great interest but not universally applicable. > > If you would qualify that you personally are not SCD it would allow > parents and individuals to process your suggestions objectively. > > My suggestion is to state under your signature, the type of diet you > follow. Meat and vegetables in two meals a day. > > It will give our subscribers an opportunity to examine your findings > with a realistic an unbiased perspective. > > This is a friendly suggestion as I have no ability or desire to censure > your posts or participation here as long as I know upon what they are > based and that is not Elaine Gottschall's SCD.. > > Carol F. > Toronto, celiac, SCD 6 years > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Helen, You may do SCD with just meat and vegetables as long as you are getting enough calories and nutrients. Nutbread and honey are not required. As a matter of fact,there is a subgroup of children who do better without the honey and another subgroup who do better without the nut flours. Some children may outgrow their intolerance to nuts and honey after being on SCD for a while. Mimi > > this isn't addressed to me, but I'm confused. Can't someone be on the > SCD and eat only meat and vegetables, as long as the particular meat > and vegetables are SC legal? Must one eat nutbread, honey, etc., to > be on the diet? > > Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 I think that Carol objected to 's attempt to limit SCD to just meat and veggies. This limitation would prevent many extremely picky children from getting the benefit of SCD. We know of cases where children made dramatic gains despite the fact that they were eating a diet that was not optimal from a SCD point of wiew. I wrote about this a long time ago but never posted it. I will post it in a few minutes and it will be called: The Nut Diet. Please read it! Mimi > > Helen, > > You may do SCD with just meat and vegetables as long as you are > getting enough calories and nutrients. Nutbread and honey are not > required. As a matter of fact,there is a subgroup of children who do > better without the honey and another subgroup who do better without > the nut flours. Some children may outgrow their intolerance to nuts > and honey after being on SCD for a while. > > Mimi > > > > > this isn't addressed to me, but I'm confused. Can't someone be on > the > > SCD and eat only meat and vegetables, as long as the particular > meat > > and vegetables are SC legal? Must one eat nutbread, honey, etc., > to > > be on the diet? > > > > Helen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Elaine suggests a well rounded diet on page 64 but cautions against foods that create an extreme reaction so somewhere in between is the best diet for an individual. Carol F. > I think that Carol objected to 's attempt to limit SCD to just > meat and veggies. This limitation would prevent many extremely picky > children from getting the benefit of SCD. We know of cases where > children made dramatic gains despite the fact that they were eating > a diet that was not optimal from a SCD point of wiew. I wrote about > this a long time ago but never posted it. I will post it in a few > minutes and it will be called: The Nut Diet. Please read it! > > Mimi > > > > > > Helen, > >  > > You may do SCD with just meat and vegetables as long as you are > > getting enough calories and nutrients. Nutbread and honey are not > > required. As a matter of fact,there is a subgroup of children who > do > > better without the honey and another subgroup who do better > without > > the nut flours. Some children may outgrow their intolerance to > nuts > > and honey after being on SCD for a while. > >  > > Mimi > >  > > > > > > this isn't addressed to me, but I'm confused. Can't someone be > on > > the  > > > SCD and eat only meat and vegetables, as long as the particular > > meat  > > > and vegetables are SC legal? Must one eat nutbread, honey, etc., > > to  > > > be on the diet?  > > >  > > > Helen > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the > book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the > following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 i wish people would read my posts as a whole i remember very specifically eliane gottshcall in a post she made on either lyris or the earlier board, that she only made the rules because thats all people seemd to want that is, scd is really understanding the theory and working from that the theory is simple don't eat what ferments in the gut after you eat it in fact since some or most people don't fully digest nut flours, thier inclusion in the scd diet is debatable and they are really only in there because of the way 1950's and 60's pastry, bread, and baking cooking styles can be replicated basically i have dispensed with that cooking style and naturally fall back to veges fruits and meats (and also dairy) honey i find promotes yeast i do not accept that the btvc is 100% correct and neither did elaine gottschall becuse on the boards i did see her modify her opinions about things as would be expected of any real process of inquiry people who rigidly adhere to fundamentalist viewpoints have 'starving brain' issues, that is, they lack to neural resources to think more flexiably and vary things according to cause and effect and this being as it may, there are always going to be a lot of this sort of mentality posting on ibs and autism boards again and again i post about the necessity of the mom also supplementing and improving her brain function to help problem solve her childs issues so they are not both stuck is some rigid and unrewarding dietary and supplement space. > > > > > when you work at something for a while you discover its a > process and > > > not rules > > > > > > if you go back to the name of this board 'pecanbread' u can see > that > > > the whole nut flour/honey thing is in fact an attempt to keep > the > > > cake > > > and biscuit cooking with different materials, but its not in fact > > > optimal from an scd point of view > > > > > > i eat two main meals a day basically veg and meat based with > > > supplementation to extend blood sugar etc > > > > > > with google you have a much superior research tool to any > university > > > library > > > > , > > > > I rejoice at the introduction of that marvelous resource, " Google > > Scholar. " > > > > An autistic adult is often very direct and very literal. > > > > You post many protocols here which you have researched. Since you > do > > not like to be corrected or excluded on this list, it would be > helpful > > to newcomers to state from time to time that although you DO NOT > FOLLOW > > THE SCD yourself, you spend a lot of time analyzing it. > > > > Although I taught two six week SCD cooking courses, I do not bake > > anymore, except the intro cheesecake as I tend to over consume the > > results. TOO MUCH nut flour and honey has undesirable effects on > me. > > However, I am neither underweight nor undernourished. > > > > In the case of the children, many were so carb addicted or overfed > GFCF > > convenience snacks that it takes time to get them transitioned to > more > > meat, vegetables, fruits and in our case, yogurt which is often so > > helpful in gastric and brain function improvements. > > > > Your findings are of great interest but not universally applicable. > > > > If you would qualify that you personally are not SCD it would allow > > parents and individuals to process your suggestions objectively. > > > > My suggestion is to state under your signature, the type of diet > you > > follow. Meat and vegetables in two meals a day. > > > > It will give our subscribers an opportunity to examine your > findings > > with a realistic an unbiased perspective. > > > > This is a friendly suggestion as I have no ability or desire to > censure > > your posts or participation here as long as I know upon what they > are > > based and that is not Elaine Gottschall's SCD.. > > > > Carol F. > > Toronto, celiac, SCD 6 years > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 > > > i wish people would read my posts as a whole > > i remember very specifically eliane gottshcall in a post she made on > either lyris or the earlier board, that she only made the rules > because thats all people seemd to want > > that is, scd is really understanding the theory and working from that > > the theory is simple > > don't eat what ferments in the gut after you eat it > > in fact since some or most people don't fully digest nut flours, > thier inclusion in the scd diet is debatable and they are really only > in there because of the way 1950's and 60's pastry, bread, and baking > cooking styles can be replicated > > basically i have dispensed with that cooking style and naturally fall > back to veges fruits and meats (and also dairy) > > honey i find promotes yeast > > i do not accept that the btvc is 100% correct and neither did elaine > gottschall becuse on the boards i did see her modify her opinions > about things as would be expected of any real process of inquiry > > people who rigidly adhere to fundamentalist viewpoints have 'starving > brain' issues, that is, they lack to neural resources to think more > flexiably and vary things according to cause and effect and this > being as it may, there are always going to be a lot of this sort of > mentality posting on ibs and autism boards > > again and again i post about the necessity of the mom also > supplementing and improving her brain function to help problem solve > her childs issues so they are not both stuck is some rigid and > unrewarding dietary and supplement space. Dear , I would like to help you get " unstuck. " My problem IS reading your posts as a whole puts me in a hole. This is a list for people who are sufficiently interested or impressed by the SCD diet and consequently are here to get additional guidance on it beyond what appears in BTVC. They are not here to learn that there isn't strong enough sun in Canada or that you do not approve of Elaine or her diet entirely. That is your preference. We see that you research extensively and dump all your findings on vulnerable newcomers, impressing them but totally confusing them. i said i don't have the authority to remove you from this list but if I did i would unless you observed the posting guidelines established for this list. Now a few people have admired some of your information. they may be priveleged to understand what you are talking about. I had an aunt who said to a person who talked too much, " I only put a nickel in. " I understand that you have intimidated those on the list who challenge you and denigrate them and this list elsewhere, but that doesn't scare me. If you want to act like a Tasmanian Devil around here and you are allowed to remain, the only thing I can do about it is to call you on it every time you attempt to diminish Elaine Gottschall and her SCD research. I see no purpose in that until you come up with an authenticated, tested diet of your own that receives world wide recognition. You have publicly stated that what you do, you do for yourself, but graciously deign to share it with us. Well, I only put a nickel in. I am asking Pecanbread members to make no response on the list or continue this discussion further as it can only be disruptive and lead to a contentious thread that will detract from the list. if you would like to express your agreement, disapproval etc. to what i am saying, email me or the moderators privately. Meanwhile keep your own good counsel and Elaine's or if you need the advanced suggestions that dispenses, email him privately. I am off to catch a few Canadian rays before it's too late. I will not have Elaine demeaned on a list intended to save people through her interpretation of Dr. Haas diet!! Carol F. Toronto, celiac, SCD 6 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 , perhaps you would like to start posting these things on Open Blooms, our group is interested to know the valuable information you provide and will welcome all of your input on these things eater of a specific carbohydrate diet, including meat, fish, veggies, fruit, and small amounts of soaked nuts. Owner of Open Blooms yahoo group. Interested reader of 's valuable information > >Reply-To: pecanbread >To: pecanbread >Subject: Re: Re: SCD >Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:00:13 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > i wish people would read my posts as a whole > > > > i remember very specifically eliane gottshcall in a post she made on > > either lyris or the earlier board, that she only made the rules > > because thats all people seemd to want > > > > that is, scd is really understanding the theory and working from that > > > > the theory is simple > > > > don't eat what ferments in the gut after you eat it > > > > in fact since some or most people don't fully digest nut flours, > > thier inclusion in the scd diet is debatable and they are really only > > in there because of the way 1950's and 60's pastry, bread, and baking > > cooking styles can be replicated > > > > basically i have dispensed with that cooking style and naturally fall > > back to veges fruits and meats (and also dairy) > > > > honey i find promotes yeast > > > > i do not accept that the btvc is 100% correct and neither did elaine > > gottschall becuse on the boards i did see her modify her opinions > > about things as would be expected of any real process of inquiry > > > > people who rigidly adhere to fundamentalist viewpoints have 'starving > > brain' issues, that is, they lack to neural resources to think more > > flexiably and vary things according to cause and effect and this > > being as it may, there are always going to be a lot of this sort of > > mentality posting on ibs and autism boards > > > > again and again i post about the necessity of the mom also > > supplementing and improving her brain function to help problem solve > > her childs issues so they are not both stuck is some rigid and > > unrewarding dietary and supplement space. > >Dear , >I would like to help you get " unstuck. " My problem IS reading your >posts as a whole puts me in a hole. > >This is a list for people who are sufficiently interested or impressed >by the SCD diet and consequently are here to get additional guidance on >it beyond what appears in BTVC. > >They are not here to learn that there isn't strong enough sun in Canada >or that you do not approve of Elaine or her diet entirely. That is your >preference. We see that you research extensively and dump all your >findings on vulnerable newcomers, impressing them but totally confusing >them. i said i don't have the authority to remove you from this list >but if I did i would unless you observed the posting guidelines >established for this list. > >Now a few people have admired some of your information. they may be >priveleged to understand what you are talking about. > >I had an aunt who said to a person who talked too much, " I only put a >nickel in. " > >I understand that you have intimidated those on the list who challenge >you and denigrate them and this list elsewhere, but that doesn't scare >me. > >If you want to act like a Tasmanian Devil around here and you are >allowed to remain, the only thing I can do about it is to call you on >it every time you attempt to diminish Elaine Gottschall and her SCD >research. I see no purpose in that until you come up with an >authenticated, tested diet of your own that receives world wide >recognition. > >You have publicly stated that what you do, you do for yourself, but >graciously deign to share it with us. > >Well, I only put a nickel in. > >I am asking Pecanbread members to make no response on the list or >continue this discussion further as it can only be disruptive and lead >to a contentious thread that will detract from the list. if you would >like to express your agreement, disapproval etc. to what i am saying, >email me or the moderators privately. > >Meanwhile keep your own good counsel and Elaine's or if you need the >advanced suggestions that dispenses, email him privately. > >I am off to catch a few Canadian rays before it's too late. > >I will not have Elaine demeaned on a list intended to save people >through her interpretation of Dr. Haas diet!! > >Carol F. >Toronto, celiac, SCD 6 years > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Elaine did not approve of soaked nuts so I urge people on Pecanbread and the SCD to not use them. She said soaking fosters the growth of mold and bacteria. People have disagreed and I am only relating what Elaine said. As for recruiting to Open Blooms, be aware that discussions there are less circumscribed but any alteration of SCD advocated could lead to dropped petals. :-) Carol F. > , perhaps you would like to start posting these things on Open > Blooms, > our group is interested to know the valuable information you provide > and > will welcome all of your input on these things > > > eater of a specific carbohydrate diet, including meat, fish, veggies, > fruit, > and small amounts of soaked nuts. Owner of Open Blooms yahoo group. > Interested reader of 's valuable information > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Re: Re: SCD > , perhaps you would like to start posting these things on Open > Blooms, > our group is interested to know the valuable information you provide > and > will welcome all of your input on these things > > > eater of a specific carbohydrate diet, including meat, fish, veggies, > fruit, > and small amounts of soaked nuts. Owner of Open Blooms yahoo group. > Interested reader of 's valuable information Hey , Does that invitation extend to me as well? I'm interested in what all these other topics and approaches are as long as they are not here? Carol F. Toronto, celiac, SCD 6 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 I have been refused membership on the Open Blooms list and will not provide the details which were expressed privately. Carol F. > >> >> Reply-To: pecanbread >> To: pecanbread >> Subject: Re: Re: SCD >> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:42:13 -0400 >> >> -Hey , >> Does that invitation extend to me as well? I'm interested in what all >> these other topics and approaches are as long as they are not here? >> >> Carol F. >> Toronto, celiac, SCD 6 years >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Carol said: I have been refused membership on the Open Blooms list and will not provide the details which were expressed privately. That's why I didn't bother to ask if I could join! lol I am one of the reasons they left, before you came back to help save the integrity of the SCD TM diet. Does this surprise you???? God help those poor kids who don't follow the SCD TM diet, who may be suffering because of it. Antoinette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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