RE: Re: Staying true to SCD tm

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Carol Said: .....If proper scientific research indicates changes and

enhancements of SCD are in order I am

sure they will be implimented, One of the problems in gaining acceptance for SCD

was a

lack of formal trial studies and dependence on anecdotal evidence. It is very

good and

strong anecdotal evidence but not always acceptable to mainstream medics.

Elaine's

foundation has research as its mission.....SCD will not be improved by

unscientific experimentation that could bring harm in my

opinion. I have always said I would accept results proven by science.

This is what I know,

Elaine kept Dr. Haas message alive because it worked. When he died, she did not

want this message to die with him. He had saved not only her daughter but

countless other kids. She saw what the gluten free diet was doing to cleiacs

and this outraged her. My guess, that ONE of the reasons she went back to

school is to figure out why it worked, and to discover what other foods she

could feed her daughter and how she could help others with this very valuable

message that was being pushed under the " gluten free " carpet!

Dr. Haas only had a few foods known to be safe. This list was rather limited.

Thanks to Elaine's research and hard work we now have a HUGE list of legal and

illegal foods, probiotics and such. Thanks to her work, we also know for a fact

why SCD works.

When others try to change things, and blindly improve things, with out looking

at all angles, we REPEAT HISTORY...not improve the future.

This is what I see happening after reading " Management of Celiac Disease " By Dr.

Haas, the book Elaine used for BTVC book. It is very interesting to see how

they came up with the original Specific Carbohydrate Diet, that worked. And to

find out that in Dr. Haas's time, many of the same experimentation that DID NOT

WORK then, still continues to this day. When will we ever learn? History

repeats it self sometimes.....when we don't look back and see what others knew,

and proved to be true...we slow progress not improve SCD tm.

Antoinette

[Guest guest]

I am reading the book that recommended and it has really explained one of

my kids wonderfully. His neurological problems are really spelled out. She

does a great job on expanding on these problems and I've been looking for a book

like that. So far from what I see it differs in the chapters on food from scd

is that it doesn't allow any juice that is bottled. So orange, grape, tomato

would be out. It mentions under a typical menu that fresh veggie juice can be

diluted or not. and I think she doesn't like dairy (yogurt) used at all until

about a year of healing. Maybe there is more but this is as far as I am. So if

some people do without that anyway, they would still be doing scd but Elaine put

alot of stock in the healing power of yogurt in the diet sooner. Pearl

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I was not suggesting through my post that SCD change for the sake of

changing with shoddy science or no science at all. Quite frankly, I

don't have anything in particular that 'I' think needs changing with

SCD.

My entire point which seems to be missed is that it is foolish to

believe that one person had all the answers to solving these puzzles.

BTVC is the best that is known at this point in time. Elaine Gottshall

dedicated her life to the knowledge that is here for us to benefit from.

If she knew every nook and cranny to be explored in the area, then she

could not possibly have been human. But we all knew she was and an

amazing one at that.

I don't know about this other book mentioned, and whether or not it is

valid to BTVC or not. I just don't think it's realistic to think that

SCD is static. Should this be discussed someplace other than pecanbread?

Yes. It is very confusing to newcomers I'm sure.

I was just trying to help others see this from both sides, not get into

an argument.

Becky

mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

> When others try to change things, and blindly improve things, with out

> looking at all angles, we REPEAT HISTORY...not improve the future.

>

> This is what I see happening after reading " Management of Celiac

Disease "

> By Dr. Haas, the book Elaine used for BTVC book. It is very

interesting

> to see how they came up with the original Specific Carbohydrate Diet,

that

> worked. And to find out that in Dr. Haas's time, many of the same

> experimentation that DID NOT WORK then, still continues to this day.

When

> will we ever learn? History repeats it self sometimes.....when we

don't

> look back and see what others knew, and proved to be true...we slow

> progress not improve SCD tm.

[Guest guest]

And that is exactly what I'm agreeing with. That's all from me, Happy

Memorial Day

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: <pecanbread >

>Subject: RE: Re: Staying true to SCD tm

>Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:56:09 -0400

>

>I was not suggesting through my post that SCD change for the sake of

>changing with shoddy science or no science at all. Quite frankly, I

>don't have anything in particular that 'I' think needs changing with

>SCD.

>

>My entire point which seems to be missed is that it is foolish to

>believe that one person had all the answers to solving these puzzles.

>BTVC is the best that is known at this point in time. Elaine Gottshall

>dedicated her life to the knowledge that is here for us to benefit from.

>If she knew every nook and cranny to be explored in the area, then she

>could not possibly have been human. But we all knew she was and an

>amazing one at that.

>

>I don't know about this other book mentioned, and whether or not it is

>valid to BTVC or not. I just don't think it's realistic to think that

>SCD is static. Should this be discussed someplace other than pecanbread?

>Yes. It is very confusing to newcomers I'm sure.

>

>I was just trying to help others see this from both sides, not get into

>an argument.

>

>

>Becky

>mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

>

> > When others try to change things, and blindly improve things, with out

> > looking at all angles, we REPEAT HISTORY...not improve the future.

> >

> > This is what I see happening after reading " Management of Celiac

>Disease "

> > By Dr. Haas, the book Elaine used for BTVC book. It is very

>interesting

> > to see how they came up with the original Specific Carbohydrate Diet,

>that

> > worked. And to find out that in Dr. Haas's time, many of the same

> > experimentation that DID NOT WORK then, still continues to this day.

>When

> > will we ever learn? History repeats it self sometimes.....when we

>don't

> > look back and see what others knew, and proved to be true...we slow

> > progress not improve SCD tm.

>

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Yes Pearl, Dr. NC is a little more strict than pecanbread with regard to dairy.

It's good to let people read it on their own, and learn and discuss... She's

big on juicing

because of the benefits.

Agape,

Pearl String wrote:

I am reading the book that recommended and it has really explained one

of my kids wonderfully. His neurological problems are really spelled out. She

does a great job on expanding on these problems and I've been looking for a book

like that. So far from what I see it differs in the chapters on food from scd

is that it doesn't allow any juice that is bottled. So orange, grape, tomato

would be out. It mentions under a typical menu that fresh veggie juice can be

diluted or not. and I think she doesn't like dairy (yogurt) used at all until

about a year of healing. Maybe there is more but this is as far as I am. So if

some people do without that anyway, they would still be doing scd but Elaine put

alot of stock in the healing power of yogurt in the diet sooner. Pearl

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Your email proves my point...

Agape,

carolfrilegh wrote:

>

> That's it Becky!...

> This is not a kingdom... there is no heir apparent... Elaine evolved SCD...

so will

others... it's a good thing... let's be joyful that educated professionals and

smart parents

are interested. This diet and this world is very dynamic... SCD is hardy and not

static.

> Thank God Pecanbread has already advanced the diet ( the concept of the

stages, nut

free, egg free, casein free, etc. no saccharine)

> Agape,

" The Stages " is not accepted SCD protocol and is a table of guidelines compiled

on parents

reports. Elaine didn't like it because it could not include every food and

people who took

The Stages left out good foods because of that. We negotiated with her to let it

stay

because many found it helpful.

But many others said it was difficult to learn all the ins and outs of SCD and

also have to

follow the stages. Even with a disclaimer that it is not a mandatory protocol,

some felt

obligated. Elaine specifies how to introduce new foods in BTVC and makes it

simple and

free of constraint.

Next, casein. This is the Big Bad Wolf in the suitcase brought over here from

GFCF.

Antoinette explained it well.

Some people are totally casein intolerant. Elaine told them to forget the dairy

as helpful as

yogurt is as nutritious as DCCC is, as delicous as SCD Cheesecake (page 130) is!

Some people have super sensitive immune systems that raise red flags and do it

inconsistently. These are types that can tolerate the gradual introduction of

dairy in small

amounts when they could not tolerate it before.the same applies to nuts and

eggs. Within

SCD one size may not fit all but outside stuff neither fits nor belongs.

No sccaharine? I have chemical snesitivities yet am able to use saccahrin

liberally. One

taste of sugar, stevia or aspartame sets me spinning except in the very

occasional diet

ginger ale. Saccharin got a clean bill of health. The thing with rats and

bladder cancer has

been dismissed as not applicable to humans. if you chooose still not to give it

to kids, I

accept that.

Eggs--I wrote an cranky email to our egg marketing board because they promoted

eggs

so vigorously. Two weeks into SCD I was poaching and scrambling away and buying

two

dozen at a time so I could have an egg each and every day.

This may not apply to others but it does for many.

As to " no heir apparent, " Elaine's daughter holds the legal and exclusive rights

to SCD.

And as to celebrating the changes Mimi allegedly made to the diet it was with

much

consulation and Elaine's approval that it was done.

, i think you have a few mistaken ideas about the diet and about

Pecanbread and it

serves neither well to continue insisting on things that may not be so.

Carol F.

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

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Me too!!

Agape,

Petrolino wrote:

And that is exactly what I'm agreeing with. That's all from me, Happy

Memorial Day

>From: " Becky Grant-Widen "

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To:

>Subject: RE: Re: Staying true to SCD tm

>Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:56:09 -0400

>

>I was not suggesting through my post that SCD change for the sake of

>changing with shoddy science or no science at all. Quite frankly, I

>don't have anything in particular that 'I' think needs changing with

>SCD.

>

>My entire point which seems to be missed is that it is foolish to

>believe that one person had all the answers to solving these puzzles.

>BTVC is the best that is known at this point in time. Elaine Gottshall

>dedicated her life to the knowledge that is here for us to benefit from.

>If she knew every nook and cranny to be explored in the area, then she

>could not possibly have been human. But we all knew she was and an

>amazing one at that.

>

>I don't know about this other book mentioned, and whether or not it is

>valid to BTVC or not. I just don't think it's realistic to think that

>SCD is static. Should this be discussed someplace other than pecanbread?

>Yes. It is very confusing to newcomers I'm sure.

>

>I was just trying to help others see this from both sides, not get into

>an argument.

>

>

>Becky

>mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

>

> > When others try to change things, and blindly improve things, with out

> > looking at all angles, we REPEAT HISTORY...not improve the future.

> >

> > This is what I see happening after reading " Management of Celiac

>Disease "

> > By Dr. Haas, the book Elaine used for BTVC book. It is very

>interesting

> > to see how they came up with the original Specific Carbohydrate Diet,

>that

> > worked. And to find out that in Dr. Haas's time, many of the same

> > experimentation that DID NOT WORK then, still continues to this day.

>When

> > will we ever learn? History repeats it self sometimes.....when we

>don't

> > look back and see what others knew, and proved to be true...we slow

> > progress not improve SCD tm.

>

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For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

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Carol Said:....But I also decided each time someone felt they went astray

because they didn't, couldn't or

wouldn't follow The Stages, I'd do my little spiel. Now to have someone think

this is a

significant advance in the science of SCD will provoke my little mantra each and

every .

time.

See page 60, BTVC (edition 10) for Elaine's tactful handling of the matter.

As long as people realize The Stages are not part of the diet as Jody stated,

I'll walk softly

an carry a big carrot curl!

Thanks Carol for this clarification, because in this house the stages where a

mixed blessing. They upset my husband the most! Until we where told that they

where not part Elaine's original diet plan. He was not all that sick when

arrived. The last thing he wanted was more limitation.

My entire family of Five came to SCdiet. After the suggested intro that

everybody should abide to, two of us appreciated the stages, came very sick with

active Celiac and needed suggestion on what foods where easy to digest (but took

only as suggestion). Three of us just needed SCD for other health concerns, and

after intro, just followed the guide lines in the book.... they healthiest

pretty much eating every thing but beans right now. We still have not tried the

beans and whole nuts, none of us. Will go by the book (BTVC) for those. Just

recently, the two sickest can eat raw carrot curls! lol!

Antoinette and Family of 5 SCD 2/06 (4 months)

Re: Staying true to SCD tm

>

> " Thank God Pecanbread has already advanced the diet ( the concept of

> the stages, nut free, egg free, casein free, etc. no saccharine) "

>

>

> I want to comment on this.

So do I. Thjere is nothing wrong with offering suggestions about easily

digested foods

based on the experience of others to help people who are unsure or lack

confidence in

choosing foods to introduce beyond the intro.

However, despite well placed disclaimers that The Stages is not part of SCD.

newcomers

continue to think it is and are inhibited and worry they are breaking yet

another rule if

they don't follow it.

I actually received an email today from a scientist who complained to Elaine

about having

that as the only objection to Pecanbread. I have ragged about this from Day

One and

finally came to the conclusion that if it helped more than it hurt, I'd

stifle. (as Archie

ordered Edith Bunker to).

Carol F.

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info<http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

>

and

http://www.pecanbread.com<http://www.pecanbread.com/>