Re: was: 1 week SCD and ???&#039;s--now my question re:yogurt

and

June 29, 2006

How much yogurt a day?

Kelli wrote: We are trying the yogurt now.

It took us a year to try it...a little more. I

have to say, it has been a couple weeks since we started the nut yogurt and

a week since we started the goat. My son has never been more aggressive,

difficult, and out of it. Seriously, it's horrific. I REALLY hope that this

is die off and not a reaction to the dairy. I really thought that things

would start to look up after 2 weeks but in some ways things are getting

worse. How much longer do I give it before I pull the plug?

) KELLI

Kai 3 3/4 (ASD) & Tatum 2 (NT)

SCD since 5/05

Re: 1 week SCD and ???'s

Hi. New to the SCD. Been doing GF/CF for over a year. My son is

currently taking coconut kefir as his main probiotic. I am

understanding that young coconuts are illegal on scd, and that the

homemade yogurt is the probiotic of choice. Do you all supplement with

additional probiotics, or only do the yogurt?

Thanks.

>

> Question: When do you usualy suggest introducing the yogurt?

>

> Answer: This is a personal choice. Elaine and BTVC says from the

> start. For us it was at the start, and I do not regret it. Some say

> to wait a month. Others are so fearful of the stuff they never use

> it. Yet their success with SCDiet is questionable by some.

>

> It does cause a much needed " die off " reaction. We also accidently

> took probiotics with illegals in them. Bifidus is a no no (many

> also have illegal sugars and starches in them).

>

> The SCD yogurt has worked wonderful for our family, in adding the

> much needed probiotics. I feel that it is part of SCDiet. Each bit

> has millions of good gut guys in it. SCDiet starves out the bad gut

> guys and the yogurt puts them back in.

>

> WE came to SCDiet casein free too. Yet, after the first die off,

> while using the SCD yogurt, we saw a miracle in our autistic

> daughter. AS many already know here, she began to try to talk. She

> smiled and no longer had deleriums and siezures.

>

> In BTVC book she says to start with it. We now go buy the book. WE

> experimented for over a year with differnt ways of eating. Now, if

> Elaine doesn't back it up, we dont' do it. Truly wouldn't do it any

> differntly. Something seriously think about. Do a search on

> Elaine's web site and see what she thinks.

>

> Hope this give hope, Antoinette and family of five SCD 2/06 (WAS:

> add, adhd, autism, malabsorption, celiac and more)

>

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

and

June 30, 2006

Hi Kelli,

This is a common symptom for a die off reaction. Are you seeing an

increase in speech or other signs of improvement?

How much yogurt are you giving him?

The best amount is 1/8 of a teaspoon or less in the beginning.

You have 2 choices:

Stop the yogurt and retry in a couple of months. The reaction from the

yogurt will then disappear after about 10 days. Or you may decrease

the amount of yogurt..

Mimi

> How much did you start with, Kelli? Did he have zero reaction to the nut

> yogurt... and you're just seeing this since the goat?

>

> Hopefully, you started with just a spoonful. It definitely could have

> triggered some new die-off.

>

> I have not had this same experience, so I'll let someone else answer, too.

>

> Patti

> Re: 1 week SCD and ???'s

>

> Hi. New to the SCD. Been doing GF/CF for over a year. My son is

> currently taking coconut kefir as his main probiotic. I am

> understanding that young coconuts are illegal on scd, and that the

> homemade yogurt is the probiotic of choice. Do you all supplement with

> additional probiotics, or only do the yogurt?

>

> Thanks.

>

> >

> > Question: When do you usualy suggest introducing the yogurt?

> >

> > Answer: This is a personal choice. Elaine and BTVC says from the

> > start. For us it was at the start, and I do not regret it. Some say

> > to wait a month. Others are so fearful of the stuff they never use

> > it. Yet their success with SCDiet is questionable by some.

> >

> > It does cause a much needed " die off " reaction. We also accidently

> > took probiotics with illegals in them. Bifidus is a no no (many

> > also have illegal sugars and starches in them).

> >

> > The SCD yogurt has worked wonderful for our family, in adding the

> > much needed probiotics. I feel that it is part of SCDiet. Each bit

> > has millions of good gut guys in it. SCDiet starves out the bad gut

> > guys and the yogurt puts them back in.

> >

> > WE came to SCDiet casein free too. Yet, after the first die off,

> > while using the SCD yogurt, we saw a miracle in our autistic

> > daughter. AS many already know here, she began to try to talk. She

> > smiled and no longer had deleriums and siezures.

> >

> > In BTVC book she says to start with it. We now go buy the book. WE

> > experimented for over a year with differnt ways of eating. Now, if

> > Elaine doesn't back it up, we dont' do it. Truly wouldn't do it any

> > differntly. Something seriously think about. Do a search on

> > Elaine's web site and see what she thinks.

> >

> > Hope this give hope, Antoinette and family of five SCD 2/06 (WAS:

> > add, adhd, autism, malabsorption, celiac and more)

> >

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> websites:

> and

>

June 30, 2006

> >

> > Question: When do you usualy suggest introducing the yogurt?

> >

> > Answer: This is a personal choice. Elaine and BTVC says from

the

> > start. For us it was at the start, and I do not regret it.

Some say

> > to wait a month. Others are so fearful of the stuff they never

use

> > it. Yet their success with SCDiet is questionable by some.

> >

> > It does cause a much needed " die off " reaction. We also

accidently

> > took probiotics with illegals in them. Bifidus is a no no (many

> > also have illegal sugars and starches in them).

> >

> > The SCD yogurt has worked wonderful for our family, in adding

the

> > much needed probiotics. I feel that it is part of SCDiet. Each

bit

> > has millions of good gut guys in it. SCDiet starves out the

bad gut

> > guys and the yogurt puts them back in.

> >

> > WE came to SCDiet casein free too. Yet, after the first die

off,

> > while using the SCD yogurt, we saw a miracle in our autistic

> > daughter. AS many already know here, she began to try to talk.

She

> > smiled and no longer had deleriums and siezures.

> >

> > In BTVC book she says to start with it. We now go buy the

book. WE

> > experimented for over a year with differnt ways of eating.

Now, if

> > Elaine doesn't back it up, we dont' do it. Truly wouldn't do

it any

> > differntly. Something seriously think about. Do a search on

> > Elaine's web site and see what she thinks.

> >

> > Hope this give hope, Antoinette and family of five SCD 2/06

(WAS:

> > add, adhd, autism, malabsorption, celiac and more)

> >

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following

> websites:

> and

>

June 30, 2006

Dear Kelli,

I was so thrilled to see that you are trying the yogurt! Die off is

not fun, ours lasted almonst two weeks and then came back like

Elaine warns 2 to 3 months later (we had a regression). It was not

pleasant felt like the flu from h***.

I say go for it!...use your activated charcoal and Epson Salts Baths

and get through it. WE where completely amazed when we where done

with the worse of it. We all felt better, acted better and slept

better. Yet we jumped straight to a bowl full! Not what Pecan Bread

suggests, but it did work. SCD Yogurt in any amount is good

though!

Kiki, like many already know was the most amazing. She never

smiled, had poor eye contact, did not know how to play, had

deleriums, mild seizures, night terrors and was just miserable.

That first month of yogurt truly changed her. We may have

introduced it faster than most. It was not easy going through the

transisiton, but we are reaping the benifits. She now no longer has

deleriums or seizures, no more night terrors either, is learning to

talk, wants to talk, smiles, has imagination, has better eye contact

and tantrums are down to a miminum. So much more....we are still

healing and have a long ways to go though. This is going to be a

fun year for all of us. Hang in there!

Please, try not to let DIE OFF scare you away from the benifits of

this wonderful SCD yogurt! It has that affect on some. Remember

that THIS Transisition will soon be a thing of the past.

Sincerely, Antoinette (celiac) and mother to Kiki (celiac/asd/pdd)

SCD entire family of five 2/06/came to SCD GFCFSF/grain free

June 30, 2006

>

> Dear Kelli,

>

> I was so thrilled to see that you are trying the yogurt! Die off is

> not fun, ours lasted almonst two weeks and then came back like

> Elaine warns 2 to 3 months later (we had a regression). It was not

> pleasant felt like the flu from h***.

>

> I say go for it!...use your activated charcoal and Epson Salts Baths

> and get through it. WE where completely amazed when we where done

> with the worse of it. We all felt better, acted better and slept

> better. Yet we jumped straight to a bowl full! Not what Pecan Bread

> suggests, but it did work. SCD Yogurt in any amount is good

> though!

The yogurt should be introduced slowly, beginning with 1 TBL per day and

gradually

working up to 1-2 cups per day for a child. If the yogurt is introduced too

quickly, there

could be a significant die-off reaction.

>

It is suggested that yogurt be be increaed gradually and not a

bowlful at a time. You may not have the same results that Antoinette did. The

good thing

about going easy is the tolerance can be gently increased without the immune

system

being overwhelmed. I would suggest you stick with the instructions above.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years

July 1, 2006

Some reaction with the nut and much more severe with the goat. Basically he

was emotional and more difficult after the nut then with the goat he got

sick (sinus & cough) and severely aggressive, echoalia, eye contact

lessened, etc. We started on the nut for a week then the goat...we haven't

gone more than teaspoon since we started (and we started with about 1/8-1/4

teaspoon.

) KELLI

Re: was: 1 week SCD and ???'s--now my question

re:yogurt

How much did you start with, Kelli? Did he have zero reaction to the nut

yogurt... and you're just seeing this since the goat?

Hopefully, you started with just a spoonful. It definitely could have

triggered some new die-off.

I have not had this same experience, so I'll let someone else answer, too.

Patti

Re: 1 week SCD and ???'s

Hi. New to the SCD. Been doing GF/CF for over a year. My son is

currently taking coconut kefir as his main probiotic. I am

understanding that young coconuts are illegal on scd, and that the

homemade yogurt is the probiotic of choice. Do you all supplement with

additional probiotics, or only do the yogurt?

Thanks.

>

> Question: When do you usualy suggest introducing the yogurt?

>

> Answer: This is a personal choice. Elaine and BTVC says from the

> start. For us it was at the start, and I do not regret it. Some say

> to wait a month. Others are so fearful of the stuff they never use

> it. Yet their success with SCDiet is questionable by some.

>

> It does cause a much needed " die off " reaction. We also accidently

> took probiotics with illegals in them. Bifidus is a no no (many

> also have illegal sugars and starches in them).

>

> The SCD yogurt has worked wonderful for our family, in adding the

> much needed probiotics. I feel that it is part of SCDiet. Each bit

> has millions of good gut guys in it. SCDiet starves out the bad gut

> guys and the yogurt puts them back in.

>

> WE came to SCDiet casein free too. Yet, after the first die off,

> while using the SCD yogurt, we saw a miracle in our autistic

> daughter. AS many already know here, she began to try to talk. She

> smiled and no longer had deleriums and siezures.

>

> In BTVC book she says to start with it. We now go buy the book. WE

> experimented for over a year with differnt ways of eating. Now, if

> Elaine doesn't back it up, we dont' do it. Truly wouldn't do it any

> differntly. Something seriously think about. Do a search on

> Elaine's web site and see what she thinks.

>

> Hope this give hope, Antoinette and family of five SCD 2/06 (WAS:

> add, adhd, autism, malabsorption, celiac and more)

>

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

and

July 1, 2006

Started with 1/8-1/4 teaspoon and now we are at about 1/2-1 teaspoon.

) KELLI

Re: 1 week SCD and ???'s

Hi. New to the SCD. Been doing GF/CF for over a year. My son is

currently taking coconut kefir as his main probiotic. I am

understanding that young coconuts are illegal on scd, and that the

homemade yogurt is the probiotic of choice. Do you all supplement with

additional probiotics, or only do the yogurt?

Thanks.

>

> Question: When do you usualy suggest introducing the yogurt?

>

> Answer: This is a personal choice. Elaine and BTVC says from the

> start. For us it was at the start, and I do not regret it. Some say

> to wait a month. Others are so fearful of the stuff they never use

> it. Yet their success with SCDiet is questionable by some.

>

> It does cause a much needed " die off " reaction. We also accidently

> took probiotics with illegals in them. Bifidus is a no no (many

> also have illegal sugars and starches in them).

>

> The SCD yogurt has worked wonderful for our family, in adding the

> much needed probiotics. I feel that it is part of SCDiet. Each bit

> has millions of good gut guys in it. SCDiet starves out the bad gut

> guys and the yogurt puts them back in.

>

> WE came to SCDiet casein free too. Yet, after the first die off,

> while using the SCD yogurt, we saw a miracle in our autistic

> daughter. AS many already know here, she began to try to talk. She

> smiled and no longer had deleriums and siezures.

>

> In BTVC book she says to start with it. We now go buy the book. WE

> experimented for over a year with differnt ways of eating. Now, if

> Elaine doesn't back it up, we dont' do it. Truly wouldn't do it any

> differntly. Something seriously think about. Do a search on

> Elaine's web site and see what she thinks.

>

> Hope this give hope, Antoinette and family of five SCD 2/06 (WAS:

> add, adhd, autism, malabsorption, celiac and more)

>

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

and

July 1, 2006

I am not seeing any positive gains from the yogurt except maybe in stool

form. We are still at 1/2-1 teaspoon and started at 1/8 teaspoon. So it

doesn't sound like a reaction to the dairy? I am very concerned about that

because he really was doing so well before we tried it. Would die off last

longer than 2 weeks and increase? We had die off at the beginning of the

diet last year that lasted only 10 days and then only 3-4 days when we

restarted the intro 3 months ago.

) KELLI

Re: was: 1 week SCD and ???'s--now my question

re:yogurt

Hi Kelli,

This is a common symptom for a die off reaction. Are you seeing an

increase in speech or other signs of improvement?

How much yogurt are you giving him?

The best amount is 1/8 of a teaspoon or less in the beginning.

You have 2 choices:

Stop the yogurt and retry in a couple of months. The reaction from the

yogurt will then disappear after about 10 days. Or you may decrease

the amount of yogurt..

Mimi

> How much did you start with, Kelli? Did he have zero reaction to the nut

> yogurt... and you're just seeing this since the goat?

>

> Hopefully, you started with just a spoonful. It definitely could have

> triggered some new die-off.

>

> I have not had this same experience, so I'll let someone else answer, too.

>

> Patti

> Re: 1 week SCD and ???'s

>

> Hi. New to the SCD. Been doing GF/CF for over a year. My son is

> currently taking coconut kefir as his main probiotic. I am

> understanding that young coconuts are illegal on scd, and that the

> homemade yogurt is the probiotic of choice. Do you all supplement with

> additional probiotics, or only do the yogurt?

>

> Thanks.

>

> >

> > Question: When do you usualy suggest introducing the yogurt?

> >

> > Answer: This is a personal choice. Elaine and BTVC says from the

> > start. For us it was at the start, and I do not regret it. Some say

> > to wait a month. Others are so fearful of the stuff they never use

> > it. Yet their success with SCDiet is questionable by some.

> >

> > It does cause a much needed " die off " reaction. We also accidently

> > took probiotics with illegals in them. Bifidus is a no no (many

> > also have illegal sugars and starches in them).

> >

> > The SCD yogurt has worked wonderful for our family, in adding the

> > much needed probiotics. I feel that it is part of SCDiet. Each bit

> > has millions of good gut guys in it. SCDiet starves out the bad gut

> > guys and the yogurt puts them back in.

> >

> > WE came to SCDiet casein free too. Yet, after the first die off,

> > while using the SCD yogurt, we saw a miracle in our autistic

> > daughter. AS many already know here, she began to try to talk. She

> > smiled and no longer had deleriums and siezures.

> >

> > In BTVC book she says to start with it. We now go buy the book. WE

> > experimented for over a year with differnt ways of eating. Now, if

> > Elaine doesn't back it up, we dont' do it. Truly wouldn't do it any

> > differntly. Something seriously think about. Do a search on

> > Elaine's web site and see what she thinks.

> >

> > Hope this give hope, Antoinette and family of five SCD 2/06 (WAS:

> > add, adhd, autism, malabsorption, celiac and more)

> >

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following

> websites:

> and

>

July 2, 2006

Hi Kelli,

I would suggest taking him off the goat yogurt for now (10-14 days

at least). If you decide to try either the nut yogurt or the goat

yogurt again you could try

1. dripping the yogurt (to remove some of the galactose etc. which

some people react - if you didn't do the dripping already; and

2. going very low and slow in increasing the amount of the yogurt.

Such as 1/8 of a teaspoon every 2nd or 3rd day for a week or two and

then 1/4 tsp every 2nd or 3rd day for the next week or two.

Basically don't treat it like a food but that a medicine that the

body has to gradually adapt to. The yogurt is very good but very

strong and can be very overwhelming for some people. I think it is

a good sign that his stool was better formed with the yogurt.Did you

get the better stool formation with the nut yogurt or was it only

after adding the goat yogurt?

Sheila, SCD 2/01, UC 22yrs

mom of and

> Some reaction with the nut and much more severe with the goat.

Basically he

> was emotional and more difficult after the nut then with the goat

he got

> sick (sinus & cough) and severely aggressive, echoalia, eye contact

> lessened, etc. We started on the nut for a week then the goat...we

haven't

> gone more than teaspoon since we started (and we started with

about 1/8-1/4

> teaspoon.

>

> ) KELLI

> Re: was: 1 week SCD and ???'s--now my

question

> re:yogurt

>

> How much did you start with, Kelli? Did he have zero reaction to

the nut

> yogurt... and you're just seeing this since the goat?

>

> Hopefully, you started with just a spoonful. It definitely could

have

> triggered some new die-off.

>

> I have not had this same experience, so I'll let someone else

answer, too.

>

> Patti

> Re: 1 week SCD and ???'s

>

> Hi. New to the SCD. Been doing GF/CF for over a year. My son

is

> currently taking coconut kefir as his main probiotic. I am

> understanding that young coconuts are illegal on scd, and that

the

> homemade yogurt is the probiotic of choice. Do you all

supplement with

> additional probiotics, or only do the yogurt?

>

> Thanks.

>

> >

> > Question: When do you usualy suggest introducing the yogurt?

> >

> > Answer: This is a personal choice. Elaine and BTVC says from

the

> > start. For us it was at the start, and I do not regret it.

Some say

> > to wait a month. Others are so fearful of the stuff they never

use

> > it. Yet their success with SCDiet is questionable by some.

> >

> > It does cause a much needed " die off " reaction. We also

accidently

> > took probiotics with illegals in them. Bifidus is a no no (many

> > also have illegal sugars and starches in them).

> >

> > The SCD yogurt has worked wonderful for our family, in adding

the

> > much needed probiotics. I feel that it is part of SCDiet. Each

bit

> > has millions of good gut guys in it. SCDiet starves out the

bad gut

> > guys and the yogurt puts them back in.

> >

> > WE came to SCDiet casein free too. Yet, after the first die

off,

> > while using the SCD yogurt, we saw a miracle in our autistic

> > daughter. AS many already know here, she began to try to talk.

She

> > smiled and no longer had deleriums and siezures.

> >

> > In BTVC book she says to start with it. We now go buy the

book. WE

> > experimented for over a year with differnt ways of eating.

Now, if

> > Elaine doesn't back it up, we dont' do it. Truly wouldn't do

it any

> > differntly. Something seriously think about. Do a search on

> > Elaine's web site and see what she thinks.

> >

> > Hope this give hope, Antoinette and family of five SCD 2/06

(WAS:

> > add, adhd, autism, malabsorption, celiac and more)

> >

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following

> websites:

> and