Re: Mercury fillings and pregnant!

June 14, 2006

Hi Suneeti;

First, congratulations of your pregnancy!

I'm no expert, but I've read alot lately on another website support list

that deals with scd and other supportive therapies, that leads me to think you'd

be safer to leave your fillings alone until after your have the baby and after

you finish nursing (if you choose to do that). Apparently, most dentists are

not trained in the safe method of removing those filllings and if done

improperly, you will certainly expose yourself and the baby to harm.

As for the amnio, you need to first ask yourself if you would terminate

the pregnancy based on the results. If the answer is no, you need to decide if

the need to know in advance of birth about any issues like Downs syndrome is

worth the small but present risk of a miscarriage. If the answer is yes, then

inquire about the injection you fear after the amnio. (I had an amnio and don't

recall that injection, but my amnio didn't go smoothly so I may not remember

everything as clearly) I don't know if Spain has the same technology as New

York, but there are very advanced sonograms available now that can give such an

awesome 3-D image of the baby, that many people choose this option over the more

invasive and riskier amnio to screen for possible birth defects.

I'm a bit confused by your query about doing gfcf scd. My understanding

is that scd by its very definition IS gfcf, though some folks do the non-dairy

version of it. There is never any gluten or grain allowed, including rice and

oats, for strict compliance. The homemade yogurts and allowable cheeses are

prepared so that casein is not an issue. I'm sure many pregnant and/or

knowledgeable veterans will respond to your post regarding what special things

you need while pregnant on scd.

As for the supplements questions, I can tell you that kirkman makes an scd

legal probiotic Lactobacillus Acidofillus (may've spelled it wrong?) and I know

they have an scd legal vitamin NuThera, but double check on the legality of

Super NuThera, because I got an illegal version of that (which had flavoring)

about a year ago. They also make a legal enzyme EnZym Complete-DPP-IV, which I

have in the house, but only used once the other day, for an emergency due to a

gluten infraction. Others have more experience with enzymes and will surely

share it.

Finally, if you're not 100% happy with your OBGYN, get a new one! This

is too important to mess around with.

Hope this helps. Good luck, smile, and try to enjoy the miracle.

Tracey, mom of Clay, 4, asd, scd 8/05

Suneeti Sahgal wrote:

Dear All,

Under normal circumstances I would have liked to have waited till the

first trimester was over to announce that I am pregnant. To add

to it all, I have 6 mercury fillings in my teeth and got the Hep B vaccine

about 2 years ago Well, it is the mercury toxicity that I am very worried about.

The bottom line is I could very well be

passing on the mercury to the baby through the placental barrier.

Should I go on to

a Glutenfree Casein free diet version of the SCD?

I don't know what probiotics to take - are the ones from Kirkman Labs ok

(I can order them from the UK - I am in Spain!). Should I get the Super Nu

Thera multi vit? What digestive enzymes should I be taking? Anything else? I

decided about a month ago to add oats and plain white

rice to see if it helped .

I am worried about what I can eat if I go on to the GFCF version of the SCD

diet while I am pregnant. So today I did eat just the bowl of rice.

Given my age an amniocentesis has been recommended but I read that after

the amnio they give a shot of I forget what (sorry) that contains mercury!

So now I am not sure about getting the amnio either.

Help, guys, I am in need of advice ASAP!

Thank you, and I am sorry this is soooo long.

Suneeti

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June 14, 2006

I would not start adding in the illegal starches like rice and

oatmeal. With the resections and the removal of the terminal illeum,

you already have a reduced absorptive area for nutrition. I would go

back to 100% SCD compliance. Check Elaine's website for exactly what

is and is not allowed. http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

Fish oil from a reputable company will not contain mercury. GI

ProHealth sells some, Nordic Naturals, and some other companies as well.

One B12 shot per month may not be adequate since you are pregnant.

I'm not a doctor so I don't know, but I know that the baby will draw

nutrition from you and if one a month was enough for you, it seems to

me that you would need more than one a month for you AND the baby.

If you are having some GI issues, I would go back to the intro diet

and add new foods one at a time to see which foods are bothering you.

You might start looking now for a pediatrician who will support you in

your choice not to vaccinate. It may take you a while to find one.

And by supportive, I don't mean that they won't force you to do it. I

mean someone who is actually in favor of not vaccinating or in delayed

vaccination.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

June 14, 2006

Mercury fillings alone do not guarantee an Autistic child. I have probably

10 mercury fillings & have had most of them since my teen years. Out of 6 dc

I have 1 Autistic & 1 possibly Aspergers BUT my uncle is textbook Aspergers

& my dh's family also has several members with Autistic tendencies. Add to

that the fact that both dh & I are very ADD with Autistic tendencies. Even

with all that against us we have 4 very typical dc. My biggest advice would

be to have no dental work whatsoever done while preg, that releases the

mercury into the system.

Im not sure that the GFCF diet would do much to prevent during pregnancy, I

could be wrong though. I personally would advise against the Amino simply

because it can cause complications in the pregnancy. I would not have one

unless ABSOLUTELY necessary for medical reasons, age NOT being one of them.

I know all Kirkman Labs products are guaranteed mercury free & GFCF but only

some are SCD legal

Mercury fillings and pregnant!

> Dear All,

> Under normal circumstances I would have liked to have waited till the

> first trimester was over to announce that I am pregnant. However, given my

> health circumstances it would be foolish of me to not reach out for help

> at

> the earliest. I am as of now 8.5 weeks pregnant, our first and probably

> the

> only one because of my age (45 years near due date of mid Jan '07). I

> subscribe to the SCD mailing list and HealingCrow. I am now specifically

> asking my questions on the PecanBread web sitebecause it concerns autism.

>

> I am a Crohns patient of 10 yrs and have been on the SCD the last 4

> years. I did have occasions to cheat but was 100% a good part of the time.

> I

> have had 2 small bowel resections and removal of the terminal ileum. To

> add

> to it all, I have 6 mercury fillings in my teeth and got the Hep B vaccine

> about 2 years ago (stupid doctor, stupid me who normally researches

> everything beforehand, but I was in and out of hospitals in India just

> prior

> to the 2nd surgery and got scared may have picked up 'something').

>

> Well, it is the mercury toxicity that I am very worried about. I have

> been

> reading a lot on the web since the last 2 days - DAN web site,

> GenerationRescue web site etc. The bottom line is I could very well be

> passing on the mercury to the baby through the placental barrier. I have

> read enough to know that there is a great likelihood of the child becoming

> autistic. ( I don't think I could allow the baby to be vaccinated!).

>

> I am trying to come up with ways to minimise the risks. Should I go on to

> a Glutenfree Casein free diet version of the SCD? I already get monthly

> B-12

> shots, have 10 mg of folic acid (the ignorant Ob/Gyn asked me to take fish

> everyday and unfortunately ate canned sardines each day of the last 20

> days! I don't care he did not know I had mercury fillings - isn't this

> something the doctors should think about!!?? I don't believe that even

> malabsorption issues warrant such advice).

>

> I don't know what probiotics to take - are the ones from Kirkman Labs ok

> (I can order them from the UK - I am in Spain!). Should I get the Super Nu

> Thera multi vit? What digestive enzymes should I be taking? Anything else?

> They have to be ordered preferably from the UK, for a lot of US based

> companies seem to have problems shipping them here).

>

> I have been having problems w d since the pregnancy (but it could also be

> a Candida issue, so I decided about a month ago to add oats and plain

> white

> rice to see if it helped - it did ease up the d - no watery stools each

> time

> I ate something - got tested for pathogens - all negative, blood work was

> good). But now I am going to completely stop the oats because of the

> gluten.

> I am worried about what I can eat if I go on to the GFCF version of the

> SCD

> diet while I am pregnant. So today I did eat just the bowl of rice. (When

> I

> had 2 scrambled eggs, cheese, and peppermint tea in the morning I had

> watery

> stools again)- maybe the eggs are bothering but when they are mixed with

> ground chicken for patties - no problem).

>

> The Ob/Gyn did say that I should eat whatever is good for me because that

> in turn will be good for the baby. So now I am not sure whether to

> continue

> with just the rice or not.

>

> Given my age an amniocentesis has been recommended but I read that after

> the amnio they give a shot of I forget what (sorry) that contains mercury!

> So now I am not sure about getting the amnio either.

>

> Help, guys, I am in need of advice ASAP!

>

> Thank you, and I am sorry this is soooo long.

>

> Suneeti

>

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June 14, 2006

Hi Suneeti;

I am 15 weeks pregnant and one month + into dairy-free SCD.

Our whole family is dairy-free SCD as our eldest child is severely autistic

(I have 2 kids) and the rest of the family has G.I issues. I attended the

Long Island DAN! conference and the general consensus of DAN docs there was

that if you are planning on becoming pregnant, or are pregnant you should AT

LEAST be following a GF/CF diet. Their preference was dairy-free SCD.

As per previous advice, I would adhere to the SCD (dairy-free if you can) to

increase your chances of having the healthiest baby you can.

SCD yogurt is a great source of probiotic for you and baby. I will be

adding nut yogurt to my diet as soon as my Progurt yogurt starter arrives.

I too have mercury fillings, and yes, ideally I would have had them removed

and given my body time to detox before getting pregnant. I have heard docs

recommend not having dental cleanings while pregnant with amalgams because

this can disturb the mercury. Just make sure you take good care of your

teeth/gums as pregnant women are more susceptable to gingivitis.

Good luck with your pregnancy! Hope this info helps a bit.

Kim :-)

1 month dairy-free SCD

3 yo ASD, 2 yo NT (with severe behaviour issues)

June 15, 2006

,

Thank you for the information you have given me. You are right about not

getting any dental work done during pregnancy.

I can't think of any medical reasons as of now to have an amnio done - I

think it was the age factor more than my Crohns that prompted the Ob/Gyn to

talk about it. If it is the age factor (actually irrespective) I am not

going to have the amnio - there are just too many risks involved.

I have got the SCD legal list of Kirkman Lab capsules from the Pecan Bread

site and shall use it as my guideline.

Following the GfCf diet was just my own thinking on the matter - since I

do have gut issues - Crohns related - that means I already have a

compromised digestive system, which could mean I am not providing adequate

nutrition to begin with - and the way my thinking went regarding autism

(correct or not), I thought maybe if I start to eliminate right from now

what can possibly harm an individual with autism maybe I should follow the

GFCF version of SCD.

Thanks again,

Suneeti

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: <pecanbread >

>Subject: Re: Mercury fillings and pregnant!

>Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:19:18 -0700

>

>Mercury fillings alone do not guarantee an Autistic child. I have probably

>10 mercury fillings & have had most of them since my teen years.

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June 15, 2006

Tracey,

Thank you so much for your response. All you wrote makes sense and is

very helpful. On the GFCF issue, I thought there was still casein in the SCD

yogurt and allowed cheeses, it is the lactose that gets predigested. I had a

transvaginal ultrsound at 5.5 weeks! That worries me now. Apparently the

transducer (wand) used is much closer to the placenta and the temperature

could possibly rise to dangerous levels.

Suneeti

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: Re: Mercury fillings and pregnant!

>Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:39:23 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Hi Suneeti;

> First, congratulations of your pregnancy!

> I'm no expert, but I've read alot lately on another website support

>list that deals with scd and other supportive therapies, that leads me to

>think you'd be safer to leave your fillings alone until after your have the

>baby and after you finish nursing (if you choose to do that). Apparently,

>most dentists are not trained in the safe method of removing those

>filllings and if done improperly, you will certainly expose yourself and

>the baby to harm.

> As for the amnio, you need to first ask yourself if you would

>terminate the pregnancy based on the results. If the answer is no, you

>need to decide if the need to know in advance of birth about any issues

>like Downs syndrome is worth the small but present risk of a miscarriage.

>If the answer is yes, then inquire about the injection you fear after the

>amnio. (I had an amnio and don't recall that injection, but my amnio didn't

>go smoothly so I may not remember everything as clearly) I don't know if

>Spain has the same technology as New York, but there are very advanced

>sonograms available now that can give such an awesome 3-D image of the

>baby, that many people choose this option over the more invasive and

>riskier amnio to screen for possible birth defects.

> I'm a bit confused by your query about doing gfcf scd. My

>understanding is that scd by its very definition IS gfcf, though some folks

>do the non-dairy version of it. There is never any gluten or grain

>allowed, including rice and oats, for strict compliance. The homemade

>yogurts and allowable cheeses are prepared so that casein is not an issue.

>I'm sure many pregnant and/or knowledgeable veterans will respond to your

>post regarding what special things you need while pregnant on scd.

> As for the supplements questions, I can tell you that kirkman makes

>an scd legal probiotic Lactobacillus Acidofillus (may've spelled it wrong?)

>and I know they have an scd legal vitamin NuThera, but double check on the

>legality of Super NuThera, because I got an illegal version of that (which

>had flavoring) about a year ago. They also make a legal enzyme EnZym

>Complete-DPP-IV, which I have in the house, but only used once the other

>day, for an emergency due to a gluten infraction. Others have more

>experience with enzymes and will surely share it.

> Finally, if you're not 100% happy with your OBGYN, get a new one!

>This is too important to mess around with.

> Hope this helps. Good luck, smile, and try to enjoy the miracle.

> Tracey, mom of Clay, 4, asd, scd 8/05

>

>Suneeti Sahgal wrote:

> Dear All,

>Under normal circumstances I would have liked to have waited till the

>first trimester was over to announce that I am pregnant. To add

>to it all, I have 6 mercury fillings in my teeth and got the Hep B vaccine

>about 2 years ago Well, it is the mercury toxicity that I am very worried

>about. The bottom line is I could very well be

>passing on the mercury to the baby through the placental barrier.

>Should I go on to

>a Glutenfree Casein free diet version of the SCD?

>I don't know what probiotics to take - are the ones from Kirkman Labs ok

>(I can order them from the UK - I am in Spain!). Should I get the Super Nu

>Thera multi vit? What digestive enzymes should I be taking? Anything else?

>I decided about a month ago to add oats and plain white

>rice to see if it helped .

>I am worried about what I can eat if I go on to the GFCF version of the SCD

>diet while I am pregnant. So today I did eat just the bowl of rice.

>Given my age an amniocentesis has been recommended but I read that after

>the amnio they give a shot of I forget what (sorry) that contains mercury!

>So now I am not sure about getting the amnio either.

>

>Help, guys, I am in need of advice ASAP!

>

>Thank you, and I am sorry this is soooo long.

>

>Suneeti

>

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>_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

>websites:

>http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

>and

>http://www.pecanbread.com

>

June 15, 2006

Hi Kim,

Congratulations on your pregnancy! Hug,hugs!

That's very,very interseting that the DAN docs suggest GFCF for the

pregnant mother. Do you recall the other suggestions in addition to the

diet?

Kim, the nut milk yogurt may cause problems for me since extra fat in my

system causes d (had 2 small bowel resections w/removal of terminal ileum).

Maybe I could try a few spoons at a time. Is that the GIProhealth starter

you are planning to use? They can't ship to Spain (actually it would cost

the earth for it to come in 2 days here ice-packed etc. - but if I don't

have tolerance issues with nut milk I would still go ahead and order it.

So, now I shall stop the cheese and yogurt too. Yikes! Need to figure out

how not to get hungry, guess I'll have to eat more of the same foods and

probably lay stress on the prenatal calcium to make up for the lack of

dairy.

Thanks for all your advice and good luck!

Suneeti

(Back to 100% SCD today - cut out the oats and rice)

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: <pecanbread >

>Subject: Re: Mercury fillings and pregnant!

>Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:54:20 -0400

>

>Hi Suneeti;

>

>I am 15 weeks pregnant and one month + into dairy-free SCD.

>

>Our whole family is dairy-free SCD as our eldest child is severely autistic

>(I have 2 kids) and the rest of the family has G.I issues. I attended the

>Long Island DAN! conference and the general consensus of DAN docs there was

>that if you are planning on becoming pregnant, or are pregnant you should

>AT

>LEAST be following a GF/CF diet. Their preference was dairy-free SCD.

>

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June 15, 2006

>

> I would not start adding in the illegal starches like rice and

> oatmeal. With the resections and the removal of the terminal

illeum,

> you already have a reduced absorptive area for nutrition. I would

go

> back to 100% SCD compliance. >

Hi Jody,

I am back on SCD as of today.

> One B12 shot per month may not be adequate since you are pregnant.

> I'm not a doctor so I don't know, but I know that the baby will draw

> nutrition from you and if one a month was enough for you, it seems

to

> me that you would need more than one a month for you AND the baby.

>

The funny thing is, the gastro here, after looking at the blood test

results he had ordered for me said there is 'too much folic acid in

the system and you don't need monthly shots of the B-12, you can take

them every 2 months!' I was not quite sure about that one, so decided

to at least make it monthly - I may have to change even my gastro to

get a second opinion - have my 2nd appointment with him tomorrow in

fact. I am already upset with my Ob/Gyn - gave me a transvaginal

ultrasound at 5.5 weeks (!), it was not really medically necessary (I

had mentioned doubts about an ectopic pregnancy because I felt a pain

in my upper right shoulder a few days before, but he said that I

would have been in the ER if that were the case. He also asked me to

eat fish everyday. @#$%^ & He was not quite sure what Crohns was all

about either and on my next visit (for the ultrasound) asked if I had

a Jewish background - trying to trace the Crohns!! What he did say on

my first visit was that they avoid giving medications in the first

trimester. I feel like I am at my wits end right now and the 'high-

risk' person is not me but the doctors I am dealing with!!

Suneeti

>

> Jody

> mom to -7 and -9

> SCD 1/03

>

June 15, 2006

" He also asked me to eat fish everyday. "

what he's thinking of is the omegas threes which are very essential

to the developing fetal brain

so a good quality molecularly refined fish oil would give that

without the mercury that fish would

> >

> > I would not start adding in the illegal starches like rice and

> > oatmeal. With the resections and the removal of the terminal

> illeum,

> > you already have a reduced absorptive area for nutrition. I

would

> go

> > back to 100% SCD compliance. >

>

> Hi Jody,

> I am back on SCD as of today.

>

> > One B12 shot per month may not be adequate since you are

pregnant.

> > I'm not a doctor so I don't know, but I know that the baby will

draw

> > nutrition from you and if one a month was enough for you, it

seems

> to

> > me that you would need more than one a month for you AND the baby.

> >

>

> The funny thing is, the gastro here, after looking at the blood

test

> results he had ordered for me said there is 'too much folic acid in

> the system and you don't need monthly shots of the B-12, you can

take

> them every 2 months!' I was not quite sure about that one, so

decided

> to at least make it monthly - I may have to change even my gastro

to

> get a second opinion - have my 2nd appointment with him tomorrow in

> fact. I am already upset with my Ob/Gyn - gave me a transvaginal

> ultrasound at 5.5 weeks (!), it was not really medically necessary

(I

> had mentioned doubts about an ectopic pregnancy because I felt a

pain

> in my upper right shoulder a few days before, but he said that I

> would have been in the ER if that were the case. He also asked me

to

> eat fish everyday. @#$%^ & He was not quite sure what Crohns was all

> about either and on my next visit (for the ultrasound) asked if I

had

> a Jewish background - trying to trace the Crohns!! What he did say

on

> my first visit was that they avoid giving medications in the first

> trimester. I feel like I am at my wits end right now and the 'high-

> risk' person is not me but the doctors I am dealing with!!

> Suneeti

>

> >

> > Jody

> > mom to -7 and -9

> > SCD 1/03

> >

>

June 15, 2006

Hi Suneeti;

Good for you for cutting out all the SCD illegals! I hope you are feeling

well so far.

I hear you about shipping costs! Everything is so expensive to ship. Yes,

I would try the almond/nut yogurt very slowly - even a 1/2 tsp at a time. I

was going to suggest eating avocado when you're really hungry, but perhaps

this would be too much fat for your system? I'm kind of using it as my

cheese substitute.

As far as other pregnancy tips from DAN docs, I would check out this link

from the Spring DAN. Someone was kind enough to share it with me on another

site:

http://www.wholisticpeds.com/uploads/DAN%20Spring%202006.ppt

Hang in there!! You can do it! It was tough to start SCD in the first

trimester, but I'm feeling better now that I'm in my 2nd trimester. Hope

you're not having trouble with nausea.

Take Care,

Kim :-)

1 month + dairy-free SCD

3 yo ASD, 2 yo NT (with severe behavioural issues)

June 15, 2006

Suneeti:

It took me 7 years and 7 in-vitro fertilization attempts to have my 2

kids (6 for the first and one for the second). I know what its like to finally

get pregnant and then worry about everything under the sun. I also wound up

working as a medical assistant for the very doctors who got me pregnant, where

we did zillions of transvaginal ultrasounds/sonograms. This was done very early

to all pregnant patients and very often in cases where there were problems or

questions about the pregnancy, as we would monitor them from conception (which

we helped with) through about 10-12 weeks, at which time they'd be transferred

to their regular OBGYN for the rest of the pregnancy and delivery.

This may make you laugh: Since I worked there, when things would get

slow, the doctors and nurses would bug me to get on the table and lets see the

baby! (Yes I know its weird to work at your doctor's office, but after all those

years of procedures, trust me, you lose all shyness--and I love those people for

giving me my kids!) I also have tons of sonogram pics!

Unless you find the lubricating gel irritating, I have never heard any

evidence that these sonograms are dangerous. It's just a wand--not a hot glue

gun! LOL. There's no heat involved other than your own body temperature.

Put your mind at ease, but if you simply must worry about everything,

then make the doctor answer your questions BEFORE they do any test or procedure

on you. Otherwise you will worry yourself (probably unnecessarily) and stress

is not good for your pregnancy.

Good Luck.

Tracey

Suneeti Sahgal wrote:

Tracey,

Thank you so much for your response. All you wrote makes sense and is

very helpful. I had a

transvaginal ultrsound at 5.5 weeks! That worries me now. Apparently the

transducer (wand) used is much closer to the placenta and the temperature

could possibly rise to dangerous levels.

Suneeti

>From: Tracey Minella