Re: Can you do yogurt without scd ?

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My son became extrememly self abusive for weeks on scd. We later received his

genetics which clearly showed high protein diets were drowning our son in

ammonia. .....causing the aggression and severe self abuse.

His gut is such a mess though. Multiple loose mushy stools daily since forever.

Long history of yeast. Long history of eating gf/cf/soy free......but with a

preference for fruit and high carb stuff.

I'm afraid to try scd again.....because he's so darn picky....I can't get him to

expand to other things.....so the scd for him is protein only( squash pancakes

and chicken nuggets).

But I'm wondering if we could go ahead and give him the yogurt. ...??? Just

looking for some feedback. Will giving yogurt to a child NOT on scd diet, and

with chronic loose stools help or hurt the gut?

thanks,

beth

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Hi Beth,

Yes, I am sure the yogurt would be great for anyone, whether they are all the

way on the SCD or not. I make batches for my non-SCD dad... just because he

loves it so much. He feeds a little bit of it to his dog, and it's improved the

animal's chronic flakey skin condition!

You didn't really say how long your son was on SCD before. A few weeks? You

were probably seeing die-off, too.... along with the metabolic issues of too

much protein for him, not balanced by enough carbohydrate.

I think you can really get into trouble doing SCD with not enough carbs. It

almost ends up becoming more like a Ketogenic diet (which my daughter used to be

on, for seizure control). Those Keto kids are on the razor's edge of getting

sick all the time.... it's really got to be monitored closely by a doctor. Will

your son not drink juice? Or maybe something like yogurt smoothies made with

cooked fruits?

I think if you could get *enough* squash into him, that would provide some great

carbs.... but it's a matter of how much volume he's willing to take in. For

seriously picky eaters like your son, I'd really advise easing into SCD

gradually.... and then going back and doing the intro diet later maybe.

It's better that way than not doing SCD at all. Thing is, if you can just get a

certain degree of healing behind you, and get the starchy grain-based carbs out

for long enough, the pickiness generally gets better with most kids and they

begin accepting foods parents thought they never would. So... why not go ahead

and try the yogurt? I would, if I were you!

Patti, mom to Katera

both of us back on SCD since 5/27/06.... after being SCD for 18 months ending in

2004. Katera for seizure control and mild GI issues, me for comraderie's sake

and b/c I feel better. (ACK! That's too much to type every time!)

Re: Going to retry the intro diet etc.

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Please do not stop the yogurt! It will speed the healing process.

mimi

Also, they've been on the goat yogurt already, should I stop it or

continue? If I must stop it, when can I restart it?

> Appreciate your time,

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Just eating the yogurt, can't help, but help. This is my opinion.

Have you tried a consult with one of the SCD councilors????

http://www.pecanbread.com/SCD_Solutions.html<http://www.pecanbread.com/SCD_Solut\

ions.html> Think about it....try not to be so scared. They may be able to help

you modify SCD so that your son doesn't have such a problem with high protein.

I hope that you give this a try again.

If his gut could finally heal with SCD, his metabolic problem with proteins

could vanish. Elaine says in her book that often when the gut is damaged it

causes a " entero-metabolic problem " , that this isn't the same as a true

" metabolic problem " ...that this metabolic dysfunction resides in the intestines

because they are so out of balance and sick.

WE too are having metabolic concerns right now....a little different though.

Trying to figure out what is going on with our little girl too. More than

likely it is because of her damaged gut though. I am " almost " certain of this.

Hang in there with the rest of us!

Antoinette and (celiac), parents to three kids on SCD (CELIAC, leaky gut,

add, adhd, autism and hyperekplexia), entire family SCD since 2/06

[Guest guest]

Patti, I was reading throught Seth's site www.healingcrow.com and came across

this article. It does talk about other fermenting things and not just yogurt

though. His site has some questions and answers by Elaine. Pearl

Please Use Caution:

Before we get too far into fermenting your own foods, we want to emphasize two

caveats of fermentation. First, the process of fermentation is only good for you

if it occurs outside of your body. What does this mean? It means that if you

ingest foods that provide an abundance of sugar and growth media for bacteria,

they will ferment those foods inside of you. An overgrowth of fermentative

bacteria in your body can cause all kinds of medical problems, including Crohn’s

Disease, Ankylosing Spondylitis, candidiasis , and Irritable Bowel Syndrome. So

the key is to pre-ferment your foods, that is to say, ferment your milk before

you eat it.

Secondly, please do not eat spoiled fermented foods. In some rare instances,

fermented foods can be overtaken by mold or become spoiled. In these cases,

throw out the result and start anew.

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[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, my previous email on this subject was to Beth, not Patti.

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