Re: Any insight would be appreciated.

[Guest guest]

I am trying to wrap my head around this whole scd idea and, unfortunately,

only got MORE confused after reading the book.

Just as a background, my son and I have been scd for 10 days. We did 1 1/2

days of intro. We have since been introducing things slowly based on the

pecanbread stages. Our motivation to start scd are multiple food allergies

due to leaky gut and candida issues.

In the book, it seems that everything is related to diarrhea. The diet

omits fruits and veggies because they can be a diuretic, but Elaine says as

soon as symptoms subside (D) you can start including them in the diet. She

says to wait three months after diarrhea subsides before including legumes.

What if you never had diarrhea? What if on day 3 you suddenly do have

diarrhea? Is diarrhea a common die off problem? Can you introduce all the

fruits and veggies rapidly if you do not have diarrhea?

She also says that eggs should not be introduced until all cramping and

diarrhea subsides, but eggs are listed in the intro diet. I am also sort of

confused about sensitivities. In the book she says that if you have a

reaction to something you ingested to discontinue and try again in a few

days. If you have another reaction then you should discontinue the food. I

had diarrhea after introducing zucchini. I did NOT deseed it. I

erroneously assumed because I regularly eat it and have never had a problem,

I wouldn't this time either. Not so but why would that be?

I am feeling like I could just cut out grains, processed foods, and

disaccharide sugars and get the same results. Why should we reintroduce

fruits and veggies in stages when we never had a diarrhea problem and that

is her basis for cutting them out?

Please know that I am not trying to debate the efficacy of this diet. I am

on board and know people who have done very well with this. I am trying to

gel what I have read on pecanbread and what she says in the book. I am just

a bit confused I guess. Thanks for any help you want to give.

Tammy

[Guest guest]

i am having similiar questions about veggies etc... My son does not have

diarrhea

either, and is really wanting more foods than is allowable in phase 1. I am

thinking

about introducing almond flour, but I would need to include honey to make our

yummy pancakes again. Is it too early for honey? We are day 3.

>

> I am trying to wrap my head around this whole scd idea and, unfortunately,

> only got MORE confused after reading the book.

>

> Just as a background, my son and I have been scd for 10 days. We did 1 1/2

> days of intro. We have since been introducing things slowly based on the

> pecanbread stages. Our motivation to start scd are multiple food allergies

> due to leaky gut and candida issues.

>

> In the book, it seems that everything is related to diarrhea. The diet

> omits fruits and veggies because they can be a diuretic, but Elaine says as

> soon as symptoms subside (D) you can start including them in the diet. She

> says to wait three months after diarrhea subsides before including legumes.

> What if you never had diarrhea? What if on day 3 you suddenly do have

> diarrhea? Is diarrhea a common die off problem? Can you introduce all the

> fruits and veggies rapidly if you do not have diarrhea?

>

> She also says that eggs should not be introduced until all cramping and

> diarrhea subsides, but eggs are listed in the intro diet. I am also sort of

> confused about sensitivities. In the book she says that if you have a

> reaction to something you ingested to discontinue and try again in a few

> days. If you have another reaction then you should discontinue the food. I

> had diarrhea after introducing zucchini. I did NOT deseed it. I

> erroneously assumed because I regularly eat it and have never had a problem,

> I wouldn't this time either. Not so but why would that be?

>

> I am feeling like I could just cut out grains, processed foods, and

> disaccharide sugars and get the same results. Why should we reintroduce

> fruits and veggies in stages when we never had a diarrhea problem and that

> is her basis for cutting them out?

>

> Please know that I am not trying to debate the efficacy of this diet. I am

> on board and know people who have done very well with this. I am trying to

> gel what I have read on pecanbread and what she says in the book. I am just

> a bit confused I guess. Thanks for any help you want to give.

>

> Tammy

>

[Guest guest]

Tammy,

I'll do my best to answer.

You said:

<<In the book, it seems that everything is related to diarrhea.>>

I know this is somewhat confusing, because the book was originally written for

gut disorders that involve diarrhea as one of the main symptoms. When reading

the book, you sort of need to insert YOUR reasons or symptoms and substitute for

the word " diarrhea " whatever your symptoms are that brought you to the diet.

However, obviously, diarrhea is a much more " urgent " (no pun intended)

situation.

The diet omits fruits and veggies because they can be a diuretic, but Elaine

says as

soon as symptoms subside (D) you can start including them in the diet. >>

Ummmm.... I'm a little confused. SCD doesn't " omit " fruits and vegetables. Do

you mean RAW fruits and veggies? Again, just put your own symptoms in the place

of D... and understand that her basic guidelines for introducing new foods is

based on their ease of digestion.

Even if you have never had diarrhea, if you have a damaged gut, or an overgrowth

of bacteria and/or yeast, those will be dying off... leaving new tender tissue

behind. You need to make your food as easy to digest as possible to give the gut

a chance to heal. Jumping the gun and adding raw fruits and veggies too soon, or

some of the more difficult to digest foods like beans, could impede your

progress.

<<She says to wait three months after diarrhea subsides before including

legumes.

What if you never had diarrhea?>>

Actually, I just went to her website to look for info on beans for another

poster, and there it says to wait until " symptom free " before adding beans. That

is kinda vague, I know.... but we usually tell people to wait several months if

they have gut disbyosis, leaky gut, etc.

<<What if on day 3 you suddenly do have

diarrhea? Is diarrhea a common die off problem?>>

Yes, it could be a die-off symptom.

<<Can you introduce all the

fruits and veggies rapidly if you do not have diarrhea? >>

The " stages " chart on pecanbread.com (under " food preparation " ) gives you sort

of a way to know which foods are easiest to digest at first. It's not a " hard

and fast rule " that you follow that chart, it was just put together to give some

added help in sorting this very thing out. Hopefully, you'll find it helpful.

<<She also says that eggs should not be introduced until all cramping and

diarrhea subsides, but eggs are listed in the intro diet.>>

I believe she does intend for you to eat eggs... unless the are not tolerated.

I believe she says " Avoid if diarrhea is very severe " .

<<I am also sort of confused about sensitivities. In the book she says that if

you have a

reaction to something you ingested to discontinue and try again in a few

days. If you have another reaction then you should discontinue the food.>>

She didn't want anyone to try eating foods that gave them allergic type

reactions. I think what you might be referring to is more of an " intolerance " ,

gut-wise, than an allergy reaction/sensitivity.

<<I had diarrhea after introducing zucchini. I did NOT deseed it. I

erroneously assumed because I regularly eat it and have never had a problem,

I wouldn't this time either. Not so but why would that be? >>

Like I said above, you *may* have tender new tissues down there that are more

sensitive now than before. Plus, it's hard to know if the diarrhea was really

caused by the zucchini, or was just a die-off thing. I would peel it, de-seed

it, and try again. Be sure it's cooked.

Maybe try zucchini noodles.... peel, quarter it lengthwise, cut out the center

core that has the seeds (sometimes in the really young ones, there really aren't

any seeds), then cut in really thing julienne slices, or slice off thin slices

with a veggie peeler. Sautee the little strippy " noodles " gently in a little

butter or olive oil. YUM.

<<I am feeling like I could just cut out grains, processed foods, and

disaccharide sugars and get the same results. Why should we reintroduce

fruits and veggies in stages when we never had a diarrhea problem and that

is her basis for cutting them out? >>

Again, the basic logic is in treating the inside of your gut as if it is really

newly " revealed " , as it were..... tender, raw, new tissues. Treat it with care.

You need to get some good flora established, too... so you either need the SCD

yogurt or, if that is not tolerated, a good legal acidophilus supplement.

<< I am trying to

gel what I have read on pecanbread and what she says in the book. I am just

a bit confused I guess. >>

Don't worry, you're certainly not the only one. In a perfect world, Elaine would

have had time to re-write her book completely.... thoroughly thrashing through

some of these inconsistancies. She was too busy helping people... traveling

around, lecturing, answering phone calls. She tried to update the book with each

printing, but there are always these kinds of questions.

It would help if you could go back and read through the archives of this list,

plus the Elaine's Children list, plus the Long Island list, etc.... just as if

they were a book.... especially through the years that Elaine herself

participated on the lists, but that would be like telling someone to go read the

entire Encyclopedia Brittanica, cover to cover!

There is a lot of wonderful info there.... and to some extent, you may be able

to use the search functions to pull out the info that is most relevant to you.

LOTS of other people have asked the same questions.

My best advice to you right now is....

Have patience... don't get in a big hurry. Trust SCD. Be gentle with your body.

Take a deep breath and hang in there.

Patti

[Guest guest]

Honey is okay, unless he has some problem with it. What about banana pancakes?

They just have banana and egg, and they're fabulous.

Day three may be a *little* too soon for almond flour. Can you try them with nut

butter first? That is smoother and easier to digest than the bigger bits in the

flour.

Remember that on only day three, he will have lots of cravings for other foods

that he's really not ready for yet.

Patti

Re: Any insight would be appreciated.

i am having similiar questions about veggies etc... My son does not have

diarrhea

either, and is really wanting more foods than is allowable in phase 1. I am

thinking

about introducing almond flour, but I would need to include honey to make our

yummy pancakes again. Is it too early for honey? We are day 3.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for responses. Yes, he is eating frozen poureed banana (ice cream). I am

glad

to know I can go ahead with honey. He managed to get 4 white grapes today. Just

got

them out of the frig himself. I see grapes are Stage 5!! Oh well. I can hardly

blame

him.

>

> Honey is okay, unless he has some problem with it. What about banana pancakes?

They just have banana and egg, and they're fabulous.

>

> Day three may be a *little* too soon for almond flour. Can you try them with

nut

butter first? That is smoother and easier to digest than the bigger bits in the

flour.

>

> Remember that on only day three, he will have lots of cravings for other foods

that

he's really not ready for yet.

>

> Patti

> Re: Any insight would be appreciated.

>

>

> i am having similiar questions about veggies etc... My son does not have

diarrhea

> either, and is really wanting more foods than is allowable in phase 1. I am

thinking

> about introducing almond flour, but I would need to include honey to make

our

> yummy pancakes again. Is it too early for honey? We are day 3.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Patti said: Jumping the gun and adding raw fruits and veggies too

soon, or some of the more difficult to digest foods like beans, could

impede your progress......Have patience... don't get in a big hurry.

Trust SCD. Be gentle with your body. Take a deep breath and hang in

there.

>

Thank you Patti, you have truly helped many peolple today with your

SCDIet wisdom. I have learned much by " reading " in on this thread to

Tammy. We are going to have to slow down. Only 4 months out

and " jumping " ..and we are paying for it. So Tammy you are not alone!

I am rather frustrated today too. I appreciate any " spoon feeding " of

Elaine's wisdom at this time too! I am taking deep breaths Patti! lol!

Antoinette and Family of five SCDiet 2/06 (celiac, add, adhd autism

and more)