Re: Colon Blockage? (was: Magnesium dose? )

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Theresa,

you may be having just slow peristalsis. You are describing my problem from

about 3 years ago. Eventually it would come out but it would be painful, long

and drawn out and it would smell like compost-from sitting too long.

I did get on Elaine's protocol of prune nectar in oj on an empty stomach before

breakfast, eat breaky then have something warm to drink. It was a hard go but

eventually it figured itself out.

When I wasn't going, there was really no urge either. It was really hard because

I knew I needed to go but just couldn't. Forcing it doesn't help either.

I would not try to eat things that we *normally* think will get us going eg. the

pecans. Generally that kind of stuff did the opposite for me. Going back to

the intro for a couple days may help.

Just my two cents. I feel for you because I know exactly what it feels like. If

you truly have C generally there is an urge but it is too hard or big to get

out. This is different. Its just taking its ever-loving time.

charlene

UC 8 years

SCD 5 1/2 years

Warning: gross GM detils.

Okay. How do you unblock a blockage in the colon? I did a suppository

last night, a bit of " liquid " stool came out. Then I did two doses of

enema. The first time, all the liquid came out and a small amount of

stool. The second time, when I sat up after waiting the 15 minutes

(had no " urge), nothing came out!

Was going to try castor oil, but didn't want to do that before bed,

so I thought I'll try it later this morning (have to get to the

Farmer's Market for some yummy veggies and meat). Last night I drank

1/4 cup olive oil before bed, and this morning had a very small BM,

very hard to push, but squeezed out like toothpaste.

I have a suspicion there's something hard in there that's blocking

things up. Should I go to the clinic and see about x-rays to get it

checked out? Or just call in the heavy artillery and try the castor

oil or something else?

Last year when I had my colonoscopy, I drank Go-lytely (sp?) and that

cleaned me out nice and good. I saw my colon during the procedure and

it was pink and shiny and healthy (although there were 4 polyps she

removed). Maybe I should try that? I think it's mostly magnesium

citrate.

I'm still feeling relatively well, though it's feeling a bit " full "

in my abdomen, and I have virtually no appetite, like there's nowhere

for the food to go.

Last night I ate all the zucchini I could get my hands on (stir fried

in coconut oil and butter), but had no appetite for the ground beef.

I have the feeling that my colon is just expanding to fit the

accumulated waste, and it ain't gonna come out on its own.

DH did buy some pecans; didn't have time to make muffins last night,

so I just ate a handful to " get things going " . I'll make the muffins

later today.

So how should I be handling this " blockage " ? I'm still doing the

intro, but have added cooked, peeled veggies and now pecans.

Theresa (in Vancouver, Canada)

>

> Thanks everyone for the responses. This morning I got up early,

> drank a cup of " white tea " which is just plain hot water. Felt

> something moving, sat down on the toilet with a book for a while.

> Nothing. Had to go to work. Nothing has moved since Sunday.

> Interestingly, I feel great! tho my stomach is getting a bit

> bloated. I may have to resort to a suppository or an enema tonight.

>

> I had been avoiding nuts because I have found them constipating in

> the past, and I re-did the intro to see what foods were aggravating

> the problem. But if nothing's " moving " I have nothing to compare

> with. I am having a fair bit of squash these past two days and I

> have some zucchini that I'll peel and stir-fry when I get home.

>

> I am wanting to avoid carbs because of a skin yeast problem that

I'm

> hoping it will clear up. Also, with diabetes figuring big in my

> family, and blood sugar regulation problems, I figure going

carbless

> won't hurt? I'm doing cooked peeled veggies, any other high-fiber

> veggies to suggest?

>

> I may just break down and make muffins, and maybe do prunes again

(I

> was on them, a few every day, for weeks, but I became dependent on

> them and if I forgot to take them, got stopped up again.)

>

> I'm now taking two magnesium pills a day (and yes, it was calcium

> oxide, I didn't have the bottle with me).

>

> Wish me luck. My computer at home is acting wonky so I might not be

> able to check messages very frequently.

>

> Theresa (in Vancouver, Canada)

>

>

> >

> > I love Elaine's constipation protocol because it involves

muffins.

> My

> > pecan muffins are orgasmic ( page 1222 of edition 10 BTVC, use

> ground

> > pecans).

> >

> > But she had to warn us not to exceed four a day? Aye, there's the

> rub:

> >

> > " The first step is to get up one hour earlier in the morning if

> you

> > usually have to go to work. The morning is the normal time for

> people

> > to have a bowel movement - right after breakfast and the regimen

I

> am

> > giving you is based on this principle. Start this regimen on the

> > weekend when you do not have to go out as it may cause urgency.

> >

> > Get on the introductory diet for two days. Then introduce the

> muffins,

> > one per day, along with COOKED AND PEELED vegetables and fruits.

> Raw

> > fruit and vegetables (with the exception of the ripe banana) can

> > aggravate both diarrhea and constipation. When you are adjusted

to

> the

> > diet, we can then start the treatment for constipation altho the

> diet

> > alone may do the trick. Introduce a few stewed prunes with your

> > breakfast - about 3-4 for about one week. See if that helps along

> with

> > the SCDT. "

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Theresa,

What to do in a case of severe blockage is a little beyond the scope of our

list.

If following Elaine's constipation protocol (on www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

)has not worked (I assume you have tried that), then you should resort to

whatever common sense measures have worked for you in the past, OR consult with

your doctor.

I know that epsom salts (magnesium sulphate) *can* be used orally, as a drink

(for adults... follow package instructions)...as a constipation remedy... but

probably should not be used on a regular basis.

I don't know a thing about the drinking of olive oil in those quantities. Not

something we would normally recommend here, but then this group normally focuses

on children.

Whole nuts are normally not recommended right at the beginning, so hopefully you

chewed them very thoroughly.

If going to the Farmer's Market involves a fair amount of walking, that would

probably be beneficial.

Again, if you have not followed Elaine's constipation protocol, I highly

recommend it.

Patti, mom to Katera

(PS.... *Please trim excess from the bottom of your posts when replying. If not,

you include LONG strings of messages attached that will just be repeats for

everyone and clog up the digest form of our list for those who subscribe to it.

Thanks.*)

Colon Blockage? (was: Magnesium dose? )

Warning: gross GM detils.

Okay. How do you unblock a blockage in the colon? I did a suppository

last night, a bit of " liquid " stool came out. Then I did two doses of

enema. The first time, all the liquid came out and a small amount of

stool. The second time, when I sat up after waiting the 15 minutes

(had no " urge), nothing came out!

Was going to try castor oil, but didn't want to do that before bed,

so I thought I'll try it later this morning (have to get to the

Farmer's Market for some yummy veggies and meat). Last night I drank

1/4 cup olive oil before bed, and this morning had a very small BM,

very hard to push, but squeezed out like toothpaste.

I have a suspicion there's something hard in there that's blocking

things up. Should I go to the clinic and see about x-rays to get it

checked out? Or just call in the heavy artillery and try the castor

oil or something else?

Last year when I had my colonoscopy, I drank Go-lytely (sp?) and that

cleaned me out nice and good. I saw my colon during the procedure and

it was pink and shiny and healthy (although there were 4 polyps she

removed). Maybe I should try that? I think it's mostly magnesium

citrate.

I'm still feeling relatively well, though it's feeling a bit " full "

in my abdomen, and I have virtually no appetite, like there's nowhere

for the food to go.

Last night I ate all the zucchini I could get my hands on (stir fried

in coconut oil and butter), but had no appetite for the ground beef.

I have the feeling that my colon is just expanding to fit the

accumulated waste, and it ain't gonna come out on its own.

DH did buy some pecans; didn't have time to make muffins last night,

so I just ate a handful to " get things going " . I'll make the muffins

later today.

So how should I be handling this " blockage " ? I'm still doing the

intro, but have added cooked, peeled veggies and now pecans.

Theresa (in Vancouver, Canada)

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Hi Charlene:

Nice to hear from someone who's " been there, done that " , thanks for

replying. Actually, I had been trying to do the intro 100% for about

a week and a half and finally did two days successfully Monday and

Tuesday. Last Saturday I had a big " blowout " and Sunday had a bit

of " leakage " and nothing since then (except what I was able to coax

out last night and this morning, although interestingly, what came

out this morning didn't smell particularly foul or anything).

Yeah, I have found that typically nuts stop me up. That's why I re-

did the intro, to see what effects food would have on me, but since

I'm not going, it's hard to see what effects " new " foods are having.

I was doing pecans at Carol's suggestion to have pecan muffins.

I think I do have slow peristalsis. I do have some symptoms of low

thyroid, but my thyroid tested in the " normal " range. My hair is

still falling out, but at a slightly slower rate. I don't have the

low basal body temperature though.

I'll probably do the OJ and prune juice in the morning, and do the

hot water/lemon juice/salt drink too. This will be a slow process. My

whole life I've alternated between C and D, with the D usually being

urgent, " I have to go RIGHT NOW " . SCD has cured the D, but the C is

hanging on a bit longer and that's why I'm re-starting the intro.

And people who haven't seen me for a while say I look terrific and

radiant. Since I started my new job I've been walking to and from

work, 20 minutes each way, M-F. And I do feel good, except for that

feeling of fullness and the fact that nothing's " moving " .

Theresa (in Vancouver, BC, Canada)

>

> Theresa,

>

> you may be having just slow peristalsis. You are describing my

problem from about 3 years ago. Eventually it would come out but it

would be painful, long and drawn out and it would smell like compost-

from sitting too long.

>

> I did get on Elaine's protocol of prune nectar in oj on an empty

stomach before breakfast, eat breaky then have something warm to

drink. It was a hard go but eventually it figured itself out.

>

> When I wasn't going, there was really no urge either. It was really

hard because I knew I needed to go but just couldn't. Forcing it

doesn't help either.

>

> I would not try to eat things that we *normally* think will get us

going eg. the pecans. Generally that kind of stuff did the opposite

for me. Going back to the intro for a couple days may help.

>

> Just my two cents. I feel for you because I know exactly what it

feels like. If you truly have C generally there is an urge but it is

too hard or big to get out. This is different. Its just taking its

ever-loving time.

>

> charlene

> UC 8 years

> SCD 5 1/2 years

>

>

> Warning: gross GM detils.

>

> Okay. How do you unblock a blockage in the colon?

[Guest guest]

Hi Patti:

Sorry about forgetting to trim. I usually try to do that, musta got

carried away :-).

I won't take up any more time asking questions about this complicated

question. I am increasing my intake of fibrous veggies. Bought some

red chard at the Farmer's Market. I only feel like eating veggies, so

fibrous veggies it is from now on until things normalize. I'll

probably resort to a heavy-duty something to clear it all out right

now thoughj (castor oil or epsom salt).

Yes, I had tried the stewed prunes part of the constipation protocol,

but became dependent on that so decided to re-do the intro (after

being on SCD for about a year) to see if I could get the C under

control. I haven't had a full evacuation for about a week now.

Just made a honey-less batch of pecan muffins with my 4yo. It took

about 20 minutes just to fill 12 muffin cups at her pace LOL.

I will institute the protocol of having a hot drink with lemon and

sea salt (and saccharine) every morning when I get up.

I have been walking more (40 minutes/day) than I ever have in the

past, so I thought that would have helped the problem. I've also been

having more saccharine and maybe that's contributing?

Learned some interesting honey facts at the market that I'll share in

another post, but I'm going to start eating a bit of locally-grown

honey, and to heck with going completely carbless. I'll have some

banana pancakes too.

This isn't an urgent situation, so I'll just keep plugging along. I

think in the past I wouldn't have noticed that I hadn't gone for a

week, and then would have a lot of problems and the vicious cycle

continues. Now, because I know, it's been six days or whatever, it

just seems more alarming.

Thanks for the help.

Theresa (in Vancouver, BC, Canada)

>

> Theresa,

>

> What to do in a case of severe blockage is a little beyond the

scope of our list.

>

> If following Elaine's constipation protocol (on

www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info )has not worked (I assume you have

tried that), then you should resort to whatever common sense measures

have worked for you in the past, OR consult with your doctor.

>

> I know that epsom salts (magnesium sulphate) *can* be used orally,

as a drink (for adults... follow package instructions)...as a

constipation remedy... but probably should not be used on a regular

basis.

>

> I don't know a thing about the drinking of olive oil in those

quantities. Not something we would normally recommend here, but then

this group normally focuses on children.

>

> Whole nuts are normally not recommended right at the beginning, so

hopefully you chewed them very thoroughly.

>

> If going to the Farmer's Market involves a fair amount of walking,

that would probably be beneficial.

>

> Again, if you have not followed Elaine's constipation protocol, I

highly recommend it.

>

> Patti, mom to Katera

> (PS.... *Please trim excess from the bottom of your posts when

replying. If not, you include LONG strings of messages attached that

will just be repeats for everyone and clog up the digest form of our

list for those who subscribe to it. Thanks.*)

>

[Guest guest]

Theresa,

<< I am increasing my intake of fibrous veggies. Bought some

red chard at the Farmer's Market. I only feel like eating veggies, so

fibrous veggies it is from now on until things normalize.>>

Remember, not TOO fibrous.... you want to keep everything as EASY TO DIGEST as

possible. Later on, after you've been on SCD for a some time and significant

healing has taken place, lentil soup makes for a very nice high-fiber meal. Too

soon for lentils just now.

<<I've also been having more saccharine and maybe that's contributing?>>

That shouldn't be a problem.

<<Learned some interesting honey facts at the market that I'll share in

another post, but I'm going to start eating a bit of locally-grown

honey, and to heck with going completely carbless. I'll have some

banana pancakes too.>>

I'm glad to hear you say this. " Going completely carbless " is not a good thing.

I know you said something about a different reason for wanting to do that... but

I don't think it's healthy and you need the carbs and fiber that veggies and

fruits provide. You need that BALANCE. Healing your gut should be top priority,

and the other things will either normalize as a result of healthy digestion, or

you can tackle them later.

Patti

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Thanks Summer.

Funny you should mention this. Just took a batch of freshly-made beef

stock (made with knuckle bones from grass-fed beef) out of the fridge

and it was so thick I could cut it into little cubes. I've been

mostly having chicken broth, but now I'll alternate chicken with beef.

Theresa (in Vancouver, Canada)

see: I can compose a short post if I try!

>

> You can look in the archives here, I have posted a recipe a few

times for making bone marrow broth. This is highly nourishing and

helps stuff stuck onto the intestinal walls to get moving again,

naturally, while providing nutrition your body can digest without

hardly any effort, high in minerals. I would drink this daily, as

opposed to olive oil and the rest.

>

> Summer