I have looked at the stages NOW very confused

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Me and Kiki are four months out. Eating strict SCDiet. Trying to go

by the book. But are guilty in past month for jumping to more

advanced foods. WE have learned by having symptoms again, and now we

need guidance.

What stage are we at in your opinion at four months? I went to Pecan

Bread's stages and even reread the book, and just got furstrated. So

I cam to the serve for help.

Our dairrhea and frequent stools are gone. Kiki has mushy undigested

stools instead. I just don't feel well (pain in gut), but do not have

undigested food in stools and no diarrhea. Kiki is recoveirng from

major set back.

I am trying to feed FIVE all at different stages, so God help me.

Thank you for any help and wisdom.

Antoinette and KIKI and family of FIVE(celiac/asd autism and more) 2/06

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> Me and Kiki are four months out. Eating strict SCDiet. Trying to go

> by the book. But are guilty in past month for jumping to more

> advanced foods. WE have learned by having symptoms again, and now we

> need guidance.

>

> What stage are we at in your opinion at four months? I went to Pecan

> Bread's stages and even reread the book, and just got furstrated. So

> I cam to the serve for help.

>

> Our dairrhea and frequent stools are gone. Kiki has mushy undigested

> stools instead. I just don't feel well (pain in gut), but do not have

> undigested food in stools and no diarrhea. Kiki is recoveirng from

> major set back.

>

> I am trying to feed FIVE all at different stages, so God help me.

>

> Thank you for any help and wisdom.

>

> Antoinette and KIKI and family of FIVE(celiac/asd autism and more) 2/06

This question is best addressed by those who drafted The Stages.

I am not familiar with them and Elaine told me not to bother going that

route but then I am not a kid. The parents reported what foods they

found were easiest to add.

I tried various small amounts of foods of my own choice, wrote them

down and if something didn't agree, I postponed trying it until a later

date and moved on to something else.

If I had tried to learn why one was better than the other I think it

would have inhibited me. I had to eliminate the latex sensitive foods,

they definitely caused an immediate trigger. I didn't want additional

worries and restrictions as I would have thrown my hands up complaining

there was too little to eat.

Occasionally now I will react to yogurt or nuts and yet can introduce

them again after a short absence.

I just about tore my hair out when the doctor suspected kidney stones

and I started to worry about the oxalate issues. Lucky I didn't bother

with that for more than a few days.

( in my case it took five months to find out there were no kidney

stones.)

Jump back from eating many advanced foods and introduce tiny amounts of

one at a time within a whole week. If it works, move ahead slowly.

I just got new orthotics. They feel great. I wanted to fly in them. If

I don't start by only wearing them 20 minutes the first day and

increasing the time in small increments, every bone in my body is going

to hurt. I tried to much too long with the last pair and that's what

happened.

Give your tummy the same kind of training practice.

>

>

Carol F.

Celiac, MCS, Latex Allergy, EMS

SCD 6 years

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>>>I tried various small amounts of foods of my own choice, wrote them

down and if something didn't agree, I postponed trying it until a later

date and moved on to something else.<<<

Exactly. I gave up on the stages with the boys, as it seemed to not reflect

the place where their digestion was at, instead opting for the old fashioned way

of keeping a food journal and introducing each food by itself slowly and reading

bodily signs. I was able to do this with two nonverbal boys.

Summer

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Antoinette,

<<What stage are we at in your opinion at four months?>>

It's impossible to say exactly what stage any one person *should* be in. That is

so individualized. The stages were only meant to give an idea of what foods are

easier to digest ... moving along the higher stages to harder to digest. It's

not something carved in stone.

<<Our dairrhea and frequent stools are gone. Kiki has mushy undigested

stools instead. I just don't feel well (pain in gut), but do not have

undigested food in stools and no diarrhea. Kiki is recoveirng from

major set back. >>

As you've told me that she keeps sneaking raw fruit, I'm sure you can see now

that mushy stools with undigested food in them is her body's way of SHOWING you

that she is not yet ready for raw foods.

If you are not feeling well and having gut pain, and you have been eating raw

foods, whole nuts or beans, YOU are not ready for those foods either. You know

now... that you have to " read your body " , instead of just the book and the

website!

Not that I'm saying the book and website are not great resources... but your

body, and Kiki's, will " tell the story " of where you are... and where you should

be. The real trick here is learning to do that.... learning to trust your

instincts... and really paying attention to what is going on with any symptoms.

<<I am trying to feed FIVE all at different stages, so God help me.>>

I think the bulk of your cooking and prepping ought to be directed at the

" lowest common denominator " ... or in other words, to match most closely with

what Kiki and you need. It will not HURT your other family members to eat all

" lower stage " foods. You could have their raw fruit and veggies prepped and

separated from anything Kiki could get into.... and ask them to not eat them in

front of her.

Like I said before, it's basically just your husband and son that are wanting to

eat raw stuff, right? So... have them keep their " stash " somewhere " secret " ...

and go do activities together outside or something (at least for the summer) and

take their raw fruit and carrot sticks with them!

I mean, sorry... but if they don't help you figure out some way to do this that

meets Kiki's needs, she will not get better as quickly as she might

otherwise..... AND... if some way is not found to put less strain on YOU, you

WILL burn out. That is something to be very wary of. You are putting a lot of

energy into this and it's taking a toll.

You're supposed to be healing, too... and it's hard work. Give yourself a break!

Make ONE BIG stew for the day.... tell everybody " This is what you're all

eating... PERIOD " .... and let them keep their secret bin of upper stage foods

somewhere that she WILL NOT GET INTO THEM.

If she is sneaking this stuff as you said today.... then the kitchen is not Kiki

proof, and it MUST get that way! Hubby and son will survive... and from what I

gather, your younger child would be better off eating the lower stage stuff for

a while, too. So, in my way of thinking, that's three out of five of you that

need peeled and cooked. Majority rules!

Sorry... gotta go cook some chicken....

Patti

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The Stages are meant to merely provide a guideline that shows the

progression from easiest to most difficult to digest.

Applesauce is by far easier to digest than beans.

Squash is easier to digest than raisins.

It was never meant as a timeline. There is no correlation between

time on the diet and what " stage " a person is in.

Some people come to the diet with minimal damage. Others come to the

diet on massive amounts of drugs and life-threatening damage. There

is no way that a " one-size-fits-all " timeline could be created.

The stages chart was created to help people/parents to understand that

certain foods are easier to digest than others. Start with the

easiest foods. Hold off on the harder to digest foods. Introduce

foods slowly and keep a food log.

So, for people who wonder if a more advanced food agrees with them,

introduce a small amount of it. See how it goes. Does it come out

undigested? Does it cause GI distress? Is there negative behavior?

If it goes well, then leave the food in. If it doesn't go well, take

the food back out.

There is no way that we can create a " roadmap " that will tell you what

exactly to try next. No two individuals are the same. Find which

foods work for you or for your child.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03