Re: Earth to Kristi: encouragement

[Guest guest]

Maybe you could call your PCP on Tuesday and ask for suggestions as

to

whom to call. Then call and tell them you are scheduled for surgery,

but need to be cleared by ruling out any liver damage. IF you stress

the surgery date, they might try harder to get you in quicker. Even

if it takes a few weeks longer, it can't hurt to try. I know this

must feel rough after starting to plan your trip today, but you might

not need to change as much as you think. Tuesday will tell.

LAurie

> KRISTI:

>

> Calm down, you do not SOUND rational and I'm betting this would NOT

be a good time for you to have a discussion with RR.

>

> First you say " I am still not approved because I cannot take

Methotrexate " and then you say " He is talking about needing a very,

very detaied (sp?) letter from a gastro. dr and a hematologist. "

>

> Maybe I'm mis-reading this, but it doesn't sound like an absolute

denial to me; it sounds as if RR wants to approve you for MGB, but

needs additional verification from specialists. If so, you're just

one or two physician visits from the MGB: go to a gastroenterologist

and a hematologist. What's the big deal? JUST DO IT. Unless there

is something we're not privy to, this does not seem unreasonable. If

the first two specialists don't think you should have MGB, try two

other specialists. RR's not unreasonable just because he considers

the liver to be a vital organ (other reasons, maybe, but not that.)

> He gets to make the rules; even if, worse case scenario, he is an

evil, misogynistic jerk, it's still his game, his rules.

>

> I hope I haven't made an enemy here, but I think, assuming your

liver is in good shape, you can solve this problem in short order

with

two more physician visits (one, if you can find gastro/hemo

specialties in one body!) Keep us posted, because we are all in your

corner and we do care (even me.)

>

> Your friend,

> Judith in Seattle

>

> GASTROENTEROLOGIST: A SPECIALIST IN INTERNAL MEDICINE,

SUBSPECIALISED IN DISEASES OF THE

DIGESTIVE SYSTEM, INCLUDING THE LIVER

>

> HEMATOLOGIST: STUDIES STRUCTURE OF BLOOD AND

BLOOD FORMING TISSUES

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ok i have read what u wrote but really u dont think you will take anything

for the skin problem? I would think that if it was bad enough to take meds in

first place that after awhile you will take something when it gets bad! I can

see y he would want you to make sure what is wrong before surgery so you can

take something after if problem persists. You want to be able to take

something and not have bad side effects after the surgery, or have any

complications. I may be wrong but just my 2 cents worth. I am glad that Doc

really takes the time to read and evaluate each of our situations. I want the

best outcome and I think he does too. Hugs marg

[Guest guest]

Judith,

Maybe I didn't make it clear.

Let me try again.

I have been OFF of methotrexate for about 6 weeks now.

I only takes 3-4 weeks to get it out of your system.

However, I was tested every month to see if my liver

was suffering any damage and they all came back as

negative. I was not on a very high dose and I was

only on it for about 5 months.

The *first* thing I got from Dr. R was that if I had

this surgery I could NOT EVER take Methotrexate again.

OK, I can do that and will. (wasn't planning on

taking it regardless of this surgery anyway) SO, what

is the problem? I was told that all he needed was a

letter from my doc stating that my liver was ok and

what doses etc. I was on. He got that. Then Barbara

emailed me saying that he wanted my doc to reply to

him that there were alternative medicines for me. My

doc asked for him to just call him. That hasn't

happened yet. I emailed Dr. R asking him to give me

the go ahead to SCHEDULE my date now because I knew it

would probably take another week for the two of them

to get together and I needed time to plan my trip. He

replied to me that I was NOT approved. He said I

could not take Methotrexate if it damaged my liver or

stomach. I GOT IT!! I won't be taking it anyway

whether I have this surgery or not. It did NOT clear

the psorasis for me so what is the point. There are

MANY other medications for me to try too, but I would

NEVER do anything that would jeopardize the outcome of

my surgery. This is MORE important to me than

treating my psorasis. I feel like I have made it clear

to him that I will NOT be taking it anymore, but he

keeps talking about it. I just don't understand why

he doesn't ok me. I makes no sense to me either,

maybe that is why I didn't make any sense to you.

So, does that make it clearer to you?

Thanks for replying, only two people replied at all.

That happens to me alot on here, but I guess I just

better get used to it.

Take care,

--- " Judith A. Phelan " wrote:

> KRISTI:

>

> Calm down, you do not SOUND rational and I'm betting

> this would NOT be a good time for you to have a

> discussion with RR.

>

> First you say " I am still not approved because I

> cannot take Methotrexate " and then you say " He is

> talking about needing a very, very detaied (sp?)

> letter from a gastro. dr and a hematologist. "

>

> Maybe I'm mis-reading this, but it doesn't sound

> like an absolute denial to me; it sounds as if RR

> wants to approve you for MGB, but needs additional

> verification from specialists. If so, you're just

> one or two physician visits from the MGB: go to a

> gastroenterologist and a hematologist. What's the

> big deal? JUST DO IT. Unless there is something

> we're not privy to, this does not seem unreasonable.

> If the first two specialists don't think you should

> have MGB, try two other specialists. RR's not

> unreasonable just because he considers the liver to

> be a vital organ (other reasons, maybe, but not

> that.)

> He gets to make the rules; even if, worse case

> scenario, he is an evil, misogynistic jerk, it's

> still his game, his rules.

>

> I hope I haven't made an enemy here, but I think,

> assuming your liver is in good shape, you can solve

> this problem in short order with two more physician

> visits (one, if you can find gastro/hemo specialties

> in one body!) Keep us posted, because we are all in

> your corner and we do care (even me.)

>

> Your friend,

> Judith in Seattle

>

> GASTROENTEROLOGIST: A SPECIALIST IN INTERNAL

> MEDICINE, SUBSPECIALISED IN DISEASES OF THE

>

> DIGESTIVE SYSTEM, INCLUDING THE LIVER

>

> HEMATOLOGIST: STUDIES STRUCTURE

> OF BLOOD AND BLOOD FORMING TISSUES

>

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

I DO NOT have a surgery date as of yet. Was wanting

to go Sept 20th, but Dr. R said NO.

Dr. R is saying that IF I am going to be taking

methotrexate for long term I need all these tests. I

am NOT going to be taking it at all! That is why I

don't think he understands what I am trying to tell

him. Otherwise, I can't imagine what the problem is.

However, I feel now that it is just a misunderstanding

between us. Maybe it is, maybe not, but I am going to

find out soon I hope. See, if I could just talk to

him, we could get it straightened out. He doesn't

answer emails usually and I was shocked when he did

answer that one. Ofcourse I haven't heard from him

since then. SO I am left to worry and freak out.

hehe

Thanks for your reply, I do feel better now, although

having a date would make me feel MUCH better.

Ah... the highs and lows of this process.....

--- dmalony@... wrote:

> Maybe you could call your PCP on Tuesday and ask for

> suggestions as

> to

> whom to call. Then call and tell them you are

> scheduled for surgery,

> but need to be cleared by ruling out any liver

> damage. IF you stress

> the surgery date, they might try harder to get you

> in quicker. Even

> if it takes a few weeks longer, it can't hurt to

> try. I know this

> must feel rough after starting to plan your trip

> today, but you might

> not need to change as much as you think. Tuesday

> will tell.

>

> LAurie

>

>

>

>

> > KRISTI:

> >

> > Calm down, you do not SOUND rational and I'm

> betting this would NOT

> be a good time for you to have a discussion with RR.

> >

> > First you say " I am still not approved because I

> cannot take

> Methotrexate " and then you say " He is talking about

> needing a very,

> very detaied (sp?) letter from a gastro. dr and a

> hematologist. "

> >

> > Maybe I'm mis-reading this, but it doesn't sound

> like an absolute

> denial to me; it sounds as if RR wants to approve

> you for MGB, but

> needs additional verification from specialists. If

> so, you're just

> one or two physician visits from the MGB: go to a

> gastroenterologist

> and a hematologist. What's the big deal? JUST DO

> IT. Unless there

> is something we're not privy to, this does not seem

> unreasonable. If

> the first two specialists don't think you should

> have MGB, try two

> other specialists. RR's not unreasonable just

> because he considers

> the liver to be a vital organ (other reasons, maybe,

> but not that.)

> > He gets to make the rules; even if, worse case

> scenario, he is an

> evil, misogynistic jerk, it's still his game, his

> rules.

> >

> > I hope I haven't made an enemy here, but I think,

> assuming your

> liver is in good shape, you can solve this problem

> in short order

> with

> two more physician visits (one, if you can find

> gastro/hemo

> specialties in one body!) Keep us posted, because

> we are all in your

> corner and we do care (even me.)

> >

> > Your friend,

> > Judith in Seattle

> >

> > GASTROENTEROLOGIST: A SPECIALIST IN INTERNAL

> MEDICINE,

> SUBSPECIALISED IN DISEASES OF THE

>

> DIGESTIVE SYSTEM, INCLUDING

> THE LIVER

> >

> > HEMATOLOGIST: STUDIES STRUCTURE

> OF BLOOD AND

> BLOOD FORMING TISSUES

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Kristi in AL

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[Guest guest]

Hi Kristi, I wrote when you first wrote about the methotrexate and

psoriasis. I too have that damn stuff all over me, especially feet and

hands but lots of other places. I almost took meth...., but somehow at the

last minute, the good doc said not to, but gave me no reason. We are all

praying for you and I know that you and Dr. R. will get this worked out to

both of your satisfaction. I know how frustrating this time before getting

approved can be and my problems are no where near the magnitude of yours.

God Bless You, betty in WNC

Re: Earth to Kristi: encouragement

>Judith,

>Maybe I didn't make it clear.

>Let me try again.

>I have been OFF of methotrexate for about 6 weeks now.

> I only takes 3-4 weeks to get it out of your system.

>However, I was tested every month to see if my liver

>was suffering any damage and they all came back as

>negative. I was not on a very high dose and I was

>only on it for about 5 months.

>The *first* thing I got from Dr. R was that if I had

>this surgery I could NOT EVER take Methotrexate again.

> OK, I can do that and will. (wasn't planning on

>taking it regardless of this surgery anyway) SO, what

>is the problem? I was told that all he needed was a

>letter from my doc stating that my liver was ok and

>what doses etc. I was on. He got that. Then Barbara

>emailed me saying that he wanted my doc to reply to

>him that there were alternative medicines for me. My

>doc asked for him to just call him. That hasn't

>happened yet. I emailed Dr. R asking him to give me

>the go ahead to SCHEDULE my date now because I knew it

>would probably take another week for the two of them

>to get together and I needed time to plan my trip. He

>replied to me that I was NOT approved. He said I

>could not take Methotrexate if it damaged my liver or

>stomach. I GOT IT!! I won't be taking it anyway

>whether I have this surgery or not. It did NOT clear

>the psorasis for me so what is the point. There are

>MANY other medications for me to try too, but I would

>NEVER do anything that would jeopardize the outcome of

>my surgery. This is MORE important to me than

>treating my psorasis. I feel like I have made it clear

>to him that I will NOT be taking it anymore, but he

>keeps talking about it. I just don't understand why

>he doesn't ok me. I makes no sense to me either,

>maybe that is why I didn't make any sense to you.

>So, does that make it clearer to you?

>Thanks for replying, only two people replied at all.

>That happens to me alot on here, but I guess I just

>better get used to it.

>Take care,

>

>

>--- " Judith A. Phelan " wrote:

>> KRISTI:

>>

>> Calm down, you do not SOUND rational and I'm betting

>> this would NOT be a good time for you to have a

>> discussion with RR.

>>

>> First you say " I am still not approved because I

>> cannot take Methotrexate " and then you say " He is

>> talking about needing a very, very detaied (sp?)

>> letter from a gastro. dr and a hematologist. "

>>

>> Maybe I'm mis-reading this, but it doesn't sound

>> like an absolute denial to me; it sounds as if RR

>> wants to approve you for MGB, but needs additional

>> verification from specialists. If so, you're just

>> one or two physician visits from the MGB: go to a

>> gastroenterologist and a hematologist. What's the

>> big deal? JUST DO IT. Unless there is something

>> we're not privy to, this does not seem unreasonable.

>> If the first two specialists don't think you should

>> have MGB, try two other specialists. RR's not

>> unreasonable just because he considers the liver to

>> be a vital organ (other reasons, maybe, but not

>> that.)

>> He gets to make the rules; even if, worse case

>> scenario, he is an evil, misogynistic jerk, it's

>> still his game, his rules.

>>

>> I hope I haven't made an enemy here, but I think,

>> assuming your liver is in good shape, you can solve

>> this problem in short order with two more physician

>> visits (one, if you can find gastro/hemo specialties

>> in one body!) Keep us posted, because we are all in

>> your corner and we do care (even me.)

>>

>> Your friend,

>> Judith in Seattle

>>

>> GASTROENTEROLOGIST: A SPECIALIST IN INTERNAL

>> MEDICINE, SUBSPECIALISED IN DISEASES OF THE

>>

>> DIGESTIVE SYSTEM, INCLUDING THE LIVER

>>

>> HEMATOLOGIST: STUDIES STRUCTURE

>> OF BLOOD AND BLOOD FORMING TISSUES

>>

>>

>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

>> removed]

>>

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>=====

>Kristi in AL

>

>__________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Morning Kristi,

I know your date wasn't set yet. I just think that if you can only

work it out by getting more specialists to say you're okay, then

telling them you are in a big hurry and have surgery scheduled might

speed things up. Hopefully you can settle it over the phone with Dr.

R.

baby steps -

Laurie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/3/2000 1:15:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

judith98101@... writes:

<< an evil, misogynistic jerk >>

Am I the only one who has no idea what 'misogynistic' means? LOL And I have

a pretty decent vocabulary, too! )

Robin

Wife to Doug

Mommy to Tyler, 4 yrs., and Brennan, 1 yr.

Singer, wife, mom, secretary.. and not in that particular order.

[Guest guest]

Hi Robin:

It means:

Main Entry: mi·sog·y·ny

Pronunciation: m & -'sä-j & -nE

Function: noun

Etymology: Greek misogynia, from misein to hate + gynE woman -- more at

QUEEN

Date: circa 1656

: a hatred of women

Robin: keep in mind I did NOT say RR was a misogynist. After all I to will

be applying for membership to the MGB club!

Re: Earth to Kristi: encouragement

> In a message dated 9/3/2000 1:15:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> judith98101@... writes:

>

> << an evil, misogynistic jerk >>

>

> Am I the only one who has no idea what 'misogynistic' means? LOL And I

have

> a pretty decent vocabulary, too! )

>

> Robin

> Wife to Doug

> Mommy to Tyler, 4 yrs., and Brennan, 1 yr.

> Singer, wife, mom, secretary.. and not in that particular order.

>

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