Re: starting over......does this sound right?

[Guest guest]

Amy,

That sounds like a brilliant plan. Other families have seen a new

boost of improvement after going back to re-do the intro diet and sort

of " starting over " .

Since you've never done intro at all, I'm hopeful that you will see

good things. You didn't say how long he's been on SCD??

I think it's a good idea to stop all the supps for a while. I like

your " clean slate " idea. Go over ALL the supplements with a

fine-toothed comb and make sure there are no illegals in them.

I don't exactly know how long you should wait before reintroducing

them. You might need to watch and wait. Maybe a month? More?

If you're suspicious of yeast, after intro you might want to try the

carrot juice and garlic thing... if you think he would accept it. This

was something another list mom suggested a couple of years back that

she says worked better than any other yeast remedy she's tried for her

sons.

She used fresh carrot juice (home-juiced)... 4 oz of it, with one

clove of garlic pressed into it. I don't see any reason why you

couldn't put the garlic clove down the chute with the carrots. That's

what I've done. Anyway, she said to give one 4 oz glass of this

concoction a couple of times a day. I don't remember for how long.

I've only managed to do it for one week at a time. It might depend on

the child. Obviously, you need to buy or borrow a juicer to try this.

Yes, I think introducing dairy.... in the form of SCD goat yogurt...

would be a brilliant move. Maybe a month or so down the road.

I don't see any reason why not to do the fizzy water, if that's what

he's familiar with. It's just plain mineral water or sparkling water,

right?

Patti

>

> My son is very high functioning ASD. Would have lost diagnosis,

except for sensory

> overload issues. He is 5.5 years old, and his need for intense

sensory stimulation

> (banging into furniture, running around like a hyper little gnat) is

getting worse. He

> has never been more hyper in his life, but he is very alert and

articulate. I'm thinking

> it is yeast. But, I do not see the usual signs that I look for. No

floating stools, no

> yeasty breath. However, his tongue seemed " coated " this morning.

> Does this sound like yeast? Or a food sensitivity issue?

>

> We never really did the intro diet because his bms were pretty

normal and regular. I

> know we have had some infractions along the way.

>

> So, I'm going to start over with the intro diet. I am thinking about

dropping all

> supplements including Methyl B12 injections. Starting with a clean

slate, and adding

> one thing back at a time, even supplements. We've been dairy -free

for 3.5 years, but

> I was thinking about trying to introduce dairy at some point this time.

>

> Is dropping supplements the right thing to do? How long should I

wait before re-

> introducing them?

>

> I'm going to start with boiled eggs, diluted juice, and I'll try to

get him to eat the

> soup. Any reason not to offer fizzy water with juice from the

beginning?

>

> Thanks for the help.

> Amy

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Amy, We also started to have problems with too many factors

getting in the way of our success with SCDiet TM. So we went back

to the BTVC book. I reread it and highlighted it! We too started

over with intro and dropped all the enzyems, and other DAN!

suggested protocols. If Elaine didn't promote it we descided to not

use it. TAlk about TRUST.

We kept the B12, and vitamins, becasue Elaine promotes it. WE are

now having remarkable success with " just " SCD TM. The DAN! was

frustrated with us at first, but now is truly amazed at the success

we are having with our autistic daughter with " just " SCDiet We

truly are having success with the goat yogurt in fighting the yeast

problem. WE too came with a phobia about dairy and thrush, coated

tongues and odd behaviors.

We are now glad we threw that notion about dairy, and trusted those

who talked us into using SCD allowed yogurts. It truly seems to be

the trick with getting the " bad gut out, " and getting the " good gut

guys " into balance. Thankfuly, for what ever reasons, our son's

hyper spaz attacks and rages, are a thing of our past. WE had holes

in the walls that we had to plaster! no joke. Heck we now can eve

eat cow yogurt with no ill affect.

Hope this helps, Antoinette (celiac) mom to -5 (celiac/was

adhd/rages) and Kiki-2 (celiac/autistic/now talking)and Bubbles-1

(hyperekplexia now vanishing) SCD 2/06

[Guest guest]

>> We kept the B12, and vitamins, becasue Elaine promotes it.

May I ask what form of B12? Methy-B12 shots, nasal spray, or oral

supplements?

I am getting ready to start SCD with my ASD son and want to start

right. I use enzymes and am a bit worried about going enzyme-free. My

son's digestive symptoms that he had when younger are pretty much gone

so I am mostly interested in behavioral improvements and sensory

improvements (being less picky of an eater and having a more varied

diet) and better general health (he is no longer his skinny pre-enzyme

self; quite the opposite, but has low energy and is easily fatigued).

And unseen digestive improvements, though I know not what is going on

that is not manifesting itself physically.

mother of Adam

[Guest guest]

Thank you (and Patti) for responding to my Starting Over post. My book has

disappeared. I loaned it out and never got it back. So, I have ordered a new

copy from

amazon. While I'm waiting, I will stick with eggs, meat, juice and soup from the

starter diet on the website. My son does not like cooked fruit, only raw. So, I

will just

hold off the fruit altogether for a while

Patti asked how long we were scd. The truth is we did not begin with starter

diet, then

since he was doing so well, I have not been careful about infractions including

random juices, and illegal carbs (corn, rice) here and there. Also, I'm sure

that some

supps are not entirely legal.

Thanks for the support.

Amy

>

> Dear Amy, We also started to have problems with too many factors

> getting in the way of our success with SCDiet TM. So we went back

> to the BTVC book. I reread it and highlighted it! We too started

> over with intro and dropped all the enzyems, and other DAN!

> suggested protocols. If Elaine didn't promote it we descided to not

> use it. TAlk about TRUST.

>

> We kept the B12, and vitamins, becasue Elaine promotes it. WE are

> now having remarkable success with " just " SCD TM. The DAN! was

> frustrated with us at first, but now is truly amazed at the success

> we are having with our autistic daughter with " just " SCDiet We

> truly are having success with the goat yogurt in fighting the yeast

> problem. WE too came with a phobia about dairy and thrush, coated

> tongues and odd behaviors.

>

> We are now glad we threw that notion about dairy, and trusted those

> who talked us into using SCD allowed yogurts. It truly seems to be

> the trick with getting the " bad gut out, " and getting the " good gut

> guys " into balance. Thankfuly, for what ever reasons, our son's

> hyper spaz attacks and rages, are a thing of our past. WE had holes

> in the walls that we had to plaster! no joke. Heck we now can eve

> eat cow yogurt with no ill affect.

>

> Hope this helps, Antoinette (celiac) mom to -5 (celiac/was

> adhd/rages) and Kiki-2 (celiac/autistic/now talking)and Bubbles-1

> (hyperekplexia now vanishing) SCD 2/06

>

[Guest guest]

Hijacking- I've noticed my daughter having a white tongue alot. Is

that what you are talking about.

Also, for the austistic kids are you doing dairy? It sounds like

you are just following the book to a " t " and nothing else. The book

does allow dairy (in limited ways of course). The DAN Dr. said no

dairy of any kind in any way for these kids. I'm so confused!

>

> Dear Amy, We also started to have problems with too many factors

> getting in the way of our success with SCDiet TM. So we went back

> to the BTVC book. I reread it and highlighted it! We too started

> over with intro and dropped all the enzyems, and other DAN!

> suggested protocols. If Elaine didn't promote it we descided to

not

> use it. TAlk about TRUST.

>

> We kept the B12, and vitamins, becasue Elaine promotes it. WE are

> now having remarkable success with " just " SCD TM. The DAN! was

> frustrated with us at first, but now is truly amazed at the

success

> we are having with our autistic daughter with " just " SCDiet We

> truly are having success with the goat yogurt in fighting the

yeast

> problem. WE too came with a phobia about dairy and thrush, coated

> tongues and odd behaviors.

>

> We are now glad we threw that notion about dairy, and trusted

those

> who talked us into using SCD allowed yogurts. It truly seems to

be

> the trick with getting the " bad gut out, " and getting the " good

gut

> guys " into balance. Thankfuly, for what ever reasons, our son's

> hyper spaz attacks and rages, are a thing of our past. WE had

holes

> in the walls that we had to plaster! no joke. Heck we now can eve

> eat cow yogurt with no ill affect.

>

> Hope this helps, Antoinette (celiac) mom to -5 (celiac/was

> adhd/rages) and Kiki-2 (celiac/autistic/now talking)and Bubbles-1

> (hyperekplexia now vanishing) SCD 2/06

>

[Guest guest]

Last message: The DAN Dr. said no dairy of any kind in any way for these kids.

I'm so confused!

Dear List mate,

Yes we use the SCD 24 hour goat yogurt from the start. WE came to SCD casein

free too....very paranoid about the stuff, and rightly so. I am glad we

trusted Elaine. Our DAN! thought me crazy too, until I showed him this:

http://www.pecanbread.com/goatyogurt.html<http://www.pecanbread.com/goatyogurt.h\

tml>. You will read that Elaine said that the casein is denatured and thus

" harmless " . When Undetnatured diary/casein causes a huge problem in those with

damaged leay guts (this is wear the DAN! doctor is right). Yet most do not

understand how SCD works.

Some on Pecan Bread say to wait one month before introducing the yogurt. We

truly didn't think we could wait. Our daughter was " starving " and becoming

toooooo sick. We may have arrived at Pecan Bread with a kiddo sicker than some

here. We wanted to break this vicious cycle sooner than later. Her mouth was

just covered with thrush and coated tongue. I swear it was going down her

esophagus! It was probably everywhere, inside and out. Even her head was

covered with fungus/cradle cap/dandruff...I kid you not. Her bottom was always

red and inflamed from yeasty stools....she had deliriums where she could not

recognized who we where and they where lasting for over 45 minutes, and she had

a few seizures too. I was scared and we wanted to move fast. BTVC didn't tell

us to wait...so we didn't. Although I respect those who can wait, or want to

wait. By practicing 100% SCD and using the yogurt it stopped all of this.

Caused the die off of a life time! After this horrible transition, we knew we

where on the right path. She got better and is continuing to heal.

God Bless, Antoinette (celiac) mother to Kiki-2 (celiac/autistic) SCD 2/06

[Guest guest]

THANKS

Alison Singleton mum to Jack 6yo with asd, scd 10 days

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> Hijacking- I've noticed my daughter having a white tongue alot.

Is

> that what you are talking about.>>

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[Guest guest]

> Also, for the austistic kids are you doing dairy? It sounds like

> you are just following the book to a " t " and nothing else. The

book

> does allow dairy (in limited ways of course). The DAN Dr. said no

> dairy of any kind in any way for these kids. I'm so confused!

I guess that depends on your DAN. We see one of the better known

DANs who makes the conference rounds. When I asked about the goat

yogurt she said she used to not think it would be possible to put in

for the kids, but now she says definitely give it a try since it

seems to be a key factor. She told us to try adding the yogurt

after 3-6 months on the diet. We added it a bit sooner though. She

also said some other really positive things about SCD. I don't feel

comfortable directly quoting professionals without their permission

about what they say in the confidentiality of an office visit

regarding my child, but suffice it to say that she is 100%

supportive and encouraging of SCD with the yogurt if tolerated.

Janet, mom to Cody- SCD since 4-17-06