Re: Oxylates, Phenol, Salicylate and Food Intolerances and SCDiet

[Guest guest]

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> Dear SCD pals who are having oxylate, phenol and salicylate problems,

>

> Many of these strange sensitivities to Phenols, Salicylates, Oxylates,

> and more VANISH eating SCDiet as guide lined in the book. SCDiet

> brings the gut dysbiosis to an end that causes all organs in the body

> plus immune system to not function properly. Also being a part of

> causing many of these strange imbalances, food sensitivities,

> intolerances and allergies.

>

> The gut heals rather quickly when SCD is done correctly and by the

> book. Therefore improvement in all areas of intolerance to foods is

> seen in the first six months. Some see improvement in just a few

> months to first 30 days.

Gee, I missed the boat on that one

>

>

>

Carol F.

Celiac, MCS, Latex Allergy, EMS

SCD 6 years

[Guest guest]

I have heard of many children who lose their phenol and salycilate

intolerance after being on SCD for several months. However,there are

exceptions. It is not difficult to combine SCD with a phenol or a

salycilate free diet.

How about oxalates.? This is a very new concept so we do not have as much data.

However,we have a lot of hope that SCD would resolve this problem for

many of our ASD children. The best version for solving this problem

would be SCD with goat yogurt. But there is a hint that we might even

have success with dairy free SCD.

I read about a child whose oxalate levels dropped dramatically after

doing SCD for 3 months. The amazing thing was that the child's family

was not even trying to lower the oxalate levels. Owens asked

parents on her list for the level of oxalates in ASD children. The

father of that child was the only one to respond to 's query. The

post(#6395 ) appeared on Owens' sulfurstories Yahoo list. That

child was doing the dairy free version of SCD. I wish we had more

oxalate test results for children who did dairy free SCD.

There is scientific proof that dairy lowers oxalate values.and the

risk of kidney stones. The SCD yogurt is a wonderful source of calcium

and most of the children with autism can tolerate it after several

months of SCD. I will write a seperate post about the goat yogurt and

its safety for autistic children in a few days.

I am posting two articles about dairy and oxalates. The first

research study reports that a high intake of dairy foods is more

effective than calcium supplements to lower your risk for getting

kidney stones. The other research paper reports that if your diet

contains enough calcium rich foods then you do not need to worry about

consuming high oxalate foods.

(However,to be safe one should avoid spinach and beets if one has an

oxalate problem. Nuts and beans should be used carefully because they

are difficult to digest. ).

Mimi

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=9092314

& query_hl=13

1: Ann Intern Med. 1997 Apr 1;126(7):497-504.

Comparison of dietary calcium with supplemental calcium and other

nutrients as factors affecting the risk for kidney stones in women.

Curhan GC, Willett WC, Speizer FE, Spiegelman D, Stampfer MJ.

Department of Nutrition, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, MA 02115, USA.

BACKGROUND: Calcium intake is believed to play an important role in

the formation of kidney stones, but data on the risk factors for stone

formation in women are limited. OBJECTIVE: To examine the association

between intake of dietary and supplemental calcium and the risk for

kidney stones in women. DESIGN: Prospective cohort study with 12-year

follow-up. SETTING: Several U.S. states. PARTICIPANTS: 91,731 women

participating in the Nurses' Health Study I who were 34 to 59 years of

age in 1980 and had no history of kidney stones. MEASUREMENTS:

Self-administered food-frequency questionnaires were used to assess

diet in 1980, 1984, 1986, and 1990. The main outcome measure was

incident symptomatic kidney stones. RESULTS: During 903,849

person-years of follow-up, 864 cases of kidney stones were documented.

After adjustment for potential risk factors, intake of dietary calcium

was inversely associated with risk for kidney stones and intake of

supplemental calcium was positively associated with risk. The relative

risk for stone formation in women in the highest quintile of dietary

calcium intake compared with women in the lowest quintile was 0.65

(95% CI, 0.50 to 0.83). The relative risk in women who took

supplemental calcium compared with women who did not was 1.20 (CI,

1.02 to 1.41). In 67% of women who took supplemental calcium, the

calcium either was not consumed with a meal or was consumed with meals

whose oxalate content was probably low. Other dietary factors showed

the following relative risks among women in the highest quintile of

intake compared with those in the lowest quintile: sucrose, 1.52 (CI,

1.18 to 1.96); sodium, 1.30 (CI, 1.05 to 1.62); fluid, 0.61 (CI, 0.48

to 0.78); and potassium, 0.65 (CI, 0.51 to 0.84). CONCLUSIONS: High

intake of dietary calcium appears to decrease risk for symptomatic

kidney stones, whereas intake of supplemental calcium may increase

risk. Because dietary calcium reduces the absorption of oxalate, the

apparently different effects caused by the type of calcium may be

associated with the timing of calcium ingestion relative to the amount

of oxalate consumed. However, other factors present in dairy products

(the major source of dietary calcium) could be responsible for the

decreased risk seen with dietary calcium.

PMID: 9092314 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract

& list_uids=9761503 & query_hl=13

1: Nephrol Dial Transplant. 1998 Sep;13(9):2241-7

.. High-calcium intake abolishes hyperoxaluria and reduces urinary

crystallization during a 20-fold normal oxalate load in humans.

Hess B, Jost C, Zipperle L, Takkinen R, Jaeger P.

Department of Medicine, University Hospital, Berne, Switzerland.

BACKGROUND: The aim of the study was to test whether increasing

dietary calcium intake lowers intestinal oxalate absorption and

thereby prevents hyperoxaluria and urinary crystallization during a

20-fold normal oxalate load in healthy subjects. METHODS: Fourteen

healthy male volunteers (age 23-44 years, BMI 21.5-27.7 kg/m2)

collected 24-h urines while on free-choice diet as well as on two

standardized diets. The latter contained 2545 kcal, 2500 ml of mineral

water, 102 g of protein, 13.6 g of sodium chloride and 2220 mg of

oxalate (approximately 20-fold content of an average diet). Subjects

were studied twice while on the standardized diet, once while eating a

normal amount of calcium (1211 mg/day, oxalate-rich diet), and once

while eating 3858 mg of calcium/day (calcium and oxalate-rich diet).

RESULTS: Compared with the free-choice diet (322+/-36 micromol/d), UOx

x V increased to 780+/-72 micromol/d on the oxalate-rich diet

(P=0.001) and fell again to 326+/-31 micromol/d on calcium and

oxalate-rich diet (P=0.001 vs oxalate-rich diet). Urinary glycolate (a

metabolic precursor of Ox) always remained below the upper limit of

the normal range and did not change between different diets,

indicating that changes in UOX x V reflect respective variations in

intestinal absorption of Ox. Uca x V was 4.60+/-0.45 mmol/d on the

free-choice diet and 3.20+/-0.32 mmol/d on the oxalate-rich diet

(P=0.011 vs free-choice diet); it increased to 7.28+/-0.74 mmol/d on

the calcium- and oxalate-rich diet (P=0.001 vs free-choice and

oxalate-rich diets). As indicated by the AP (CaOx) index (Tiselius),

urinary supersaturation did not vary significantly between the three

diets. In freshly voided morning urines (studied in 8/14 subjects) on

the oxalate-rich diet, CaOx crystals or crystal aggregates of up to 80

microm diameter were found in 5/8 urines, whereas this never occurred

on the free-choice diet and only t once on the calcium- and

oxalate-rich diet. CONCLUSION: Increasing calcium intake while eating

Ox-rich food prevents dietary hyperoxaluria and reduces CaOx

crystallization in healthy subjects. This further illustrates that

dietary counseling to idiopathic calcium-stone formers should ensure

sufficient calcium intake, especially during oxalate-rich meals.

PMID: 9761503 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[Guest guest]

Wow, that explains my son's experience. The times that he had the painful lips

(what I am

intepreting as oxalate symptom) after eating an orange he had also had a

no-calcium

dinner because it was too close to his antibiotic (calcium interferes with

antibiotic so he

had to avoid calcium at meals that were within two hours of the dose).

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> I have heard of many children who lose their phenol and salycilate

> intolerance after being on SCD for several months. However,there are

> exceptions. It is not difficult to combine SCD with a phenol or a

> salycilate free diet.

>

That would be great! Does this ever happen in any kids who have ADD/ADHD

issues? I

ask because the Feingold diet for AD(H)D avoids salicylates. If SCD heals in

such a way

that one wouldn't have to combine it with Feingold that is not only good news

but also an

indication that guy dysbiosis underlies a great many conditions.

mother of Adam

[Guest guest]

Dear , This is why I started this thread. It is important for

all of us to realize that gut dysbiosis and a visious cycle in

contrbuting to many of these strange sensitivites. Plus many more

illnesses other than just GI issues. In time more research is bound

to be done to prove this EVEN better. But for now Elaine is helping

more people that she expected. From what I am told, this just

thrilled her! We are all slowly realizing the uses for SCDiet. It

will be a very good day when the medical community wakes up!

Many things can cause sore lips. Vitamin B12 and B defeciency is

another one. My son had them too in the beginning. I can't guess

why your son has them, you have to be the detective just like all of

us have learned here. Regardless I suspect that they will vanish if

you are doing SCD by the book.

We had so many sensitivites to foods when we started SCD it almost

made it impossible to eat balanced. Salicylates/phenols where just

one of them! I am glad that we didn't follow other ways of eating

anymore. I am so grateful that we trust SCDiet and did it by the

BTVC book with fanatical adherance (to the best of our ability). We

didn't need the enzymes or anything. WE tried and for us they caused

more complications. WE used just good SCD food, rotating, common

sense and throwing away fear and simply going for it. Knock on wood

that is all we will continue to need. We pray for your SCD success.

Antoinette and family of five SCD 2/06 (celiac, malabsorption, leaky

gut, add, adhd, asd/pdd and more, healing when no other way worked)

[Guest guest]

Carol said: What also happens is a compromised immune system

regards even friendly things as dangerous sometimes and when it

reacts to something we are not allergic to, we start trying to chase

down sensitivities and start eliminating foods. The problem is that

the results can be inconsistent. It becomes the needle-in-the

haystack search.

Example: Junior is suspected of being allergic to eggs. After a

short time on SCD, he is able to tolerate them. later he has a

setback or a cold and a little relapse and suddenly eggs are again a

problem food. Weeks later the eggs are OK.

>

Overall as healing progresses many sensitivities lessen and some

disappear (with me it happened to be eggs).Occasionally I am " off "

with dairy or nuts and give them a short rest.

__________

God Bless you Carol for telling us this. This explains so much to

what is happening in this house wiht our food sensitivities. This

is also why Elaine told us to try again in two weeks. I get it now!

Antoinette and family of five 2/06

[Guest guest]

Dear SCD pals who are having multiple food intolerances,

sensitivites and allergies to foods and chemicals. Research has

demonstrated that under the age of five, the child has a greater

chance of healing out of sensitivites, allergies, and intolerances.

Especialy if SCDiet is implimented Elaine's guidelines. With no

additions or subtractions that keep SCDiet from working right.

So if you are older, some allergies, sensitivites and intolerances

could be permanent also. Yet you don't know until you try.

Thousands of people of all ages have healed thier intestines and

immune systems on SCDiet.

Also under the age of FIVE a child has a greater chance of loosing

their diagnosis of ASD with the use of SCDiet and 100% adherance.

Thanks to brain intergration not being completed until the age of

five, the younger the child, the more lucky they are. After this

age, one may be dealing with permanent disability and permanent

damage, but still CAN BENEFIT GREATLY from SCDiet! No matter what

the age!

Hope this helps to clarify things a bit.

Antoinette and family of five SCD 2/06 (celiac, malabsorption, leaky

gut, add, adhd, asd/pdd and more)

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[Guest guest]

Hey guys I never once said that you can't try enzymes or other

alternatives. I just said that we don't, that we " just " practice

100% SCD. I realize that Elaine said that other things are OK to

use.

And the " under the age of five " came from the success that those had

with the Beach Island List Serve. I am looking for my links to give

you. Mimi gave them to me.

Antoinette (celiac) 2/06

[Guest guest]

Dear Carol and to all,

I have never implied to anybody who is already having success with

alternatives to stop them. I just want the newbie to know that they

may not be needed for all of us. It is often assumed that they are

needed before the person truly knows. This was the case with us.

Caused us much grief, cost us much money and created un-needed

complications in the beginning of our recovery with SCDiet, that could

have been avoided if I had known to try SCD by the BTVC book first.

Yes, I meant Long Island List Serve. The owner of Pecan Bread, Mimi

shared their success with me and I was filled with hope! I am tired

and not feeling well and I got the name wrong and called it Beach

Island!...oops. Those testionies from the Long Island list serve gave

us so much inspiration to try JUST 100% SCD, with our asd/pdd

daughter, that we took back all those alternatives and never paid for

expensive testing or chelation treatments!

Thanks to those kids that where cured on this list serve I realized

that we didn't have to try enzyems or things such as chelation or all

that expensive testing that our DAN! recommeneded. So far " just " SCD

is working. We are fortunate. This doesn't mean that others are less

fortunate if they use alternatives!! Everyone has to pick thier

road. I try not to judge anyone. And expect the same respect.

Antoinette and family of five SCD 2/06 (celiac, add, adhd,

autism/pdd, and more)

[Guest guest]

Carol, can you tell me if the same thing takes place with chemical

sensitivities? Once the immune system heals and the gut is strong

do you think some of the chemical problems aren't as critical, like

going swimming in a pool?

Just hoping I guess.

Sandy M.

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> Carol said: What also happens is a compromised immune system

> regards even friendly things as dangerous sometimes and when it

> reacts to something we are not allergic to, we start trying to

chase

> down sensitivities and start eliminating foods. The problem is

that

> the results can be inconsistent. It becomes the needle-in-the

> haystack search.

>

> Example: Junior is suspected of being allergic to eggs. After a

> short time on SCD, he is able to tolerate them. later he has a

> setback or a cold and a little relapse and suddenly eggs are again

a

> problem food. Weeks later the eggs are OK.

> >

> Overall as healing progresses many sensitivities lessen and some

> disappear (with me it happened to be eggs).Occasionally I am " off "

> with dairy or nuts and give them a short rest.