Re: repost: The Nut Diet vs The Real SCD/ IMPORTANT

[Guest guest]

Hi:

What are some clear cut signs whether you are able to tolerate

something or not? Gas and bloating? Does this mean we should aim

to not pass gas at all since gas is a sign of fermentation? i.e

stop eating anything that produces gas?

Thanks.

Bruce

>

>

> There is a diet that is pretending to be SCD and fooling many

> parents.

> Many parents think that they are doing SCD and are not aware that

> they

> are actually implementing the Nut Diet instead of SCD,confusing

the

> Nut

> Diet with the real SCD.

>

> Many parents begin SCD by replacing the breads

> and cookies of other diets with nut flours They also feed their

> children any food that is SCD legal without first going through

the

> introductory diet and making sure that their child can tolerate

that

> food. This is done because most parents think that the rules of

> SCD

> and GFCF are the same. When parents start out with GFCF,they are

> allowed to use all the GFCF legal foods. It is important for

parents

> to

> realize that the rules for SCD are different. While the goal of

> GFCF is

> the elimination of foods that contain gluten and casein,the goal

of

> SCD

> is to avoid foods that cannot be digested. A certain food can be

OK

> for

> one

> child but not for another. Also,a food can be difficult to digest

> for a

> child during

> the first months on SCD but fine at a later time when more gut

> healing

> has happened.

>

> The important idea behind SCD is that " We must never forget that

> what

> the patient takes beyond his ability to digest does harm. "

> Undigested

> foods become great nourishment for the gut microorganisms that

have

> an

> excellent ability to digest carbohydrates. These parasites then

emit

> toxins that destroy our children's gut and brains.

>

> Certain foods that are fine for advanced SCDers are not OK for

> beginners

> and might harm them. The most famous example is the nut flour.

Many

> children cannot tolerate nut flours in the beginning stages of the

> diet.

> It is advised to start out with the intro diet and gradually

> introduce

> new foods. The " stages section " on www.pecanbread provide

> inspiration

> but there are no hard rules

> because our children are all different. The idea is to introduce

new

> foods gradually and watch carefully for reactions.That is how you

> implement the " Real SCD " . If you just feed your child any food

that

> is

> legal SCD food without taking into consideration that some foods

> might

> be difficult to digest during the first months then

> you are doing the " Nut Diet " .

>

> As we see,there are two different ways to implement the legal SCD

> food

> list:the nut diet and the real SCD.

>

> Is the Nut Diet better than GFCF? Of course! Despite its

> shortcomings,it

> is a lot easier to digest than the starches that are allowed in

GFCF

> and

> other diets. I will give examples that might clarify this

confusion

> and

> show us that our children are unique and have different outcomes

> with

> the Nut Diet.

>

> Sue R-F had a 2 year old child who was extremely picky. only

> ate

> goat yogurt,banana,meat and nut muffins. She had constipation

but

> recovered with SCD and almost no other intervention (just a few

> sessions of Tomatis and a couple of hours a week of speech

therapy).

> While this nut diet was not optimal,it did recover a child from

> autism.

>

> Another mother,ST, had 2 children,she started with the nut diet

and

> got improvements for both children. After about half a year

> later,she

> went back to the intro diet and introducing foods gradually. She

> reported that she got EVEN better results after reintroducing the

> foods

> gradually.

>

> Jen Young reported that her child was only able to eat a few foods

> during his first months of SCD. He could not tolerate nuts during

> his

> first 3 months on SCD. After starting the goat yogurt,Jen was able

> to

> feed her child more foods and enable him to recover from Autism.

Jen

> was only able to get results if she gave foods that were

tolerated.

> If

> Jen had just followed the legal/illegal list,then her son would

have

> made no progress.

>

> L is a brilliant man who is very talented in science. He

has

> written that SCD,supplements, and enzymes have helped his autism

> spectrum issues. He

> has stated that he does better without any nuts,despite the fact

> that he

> has been doing SCD for over a year.

>

> The advantage of the Real SCD is that it allows the parent to

design

> a

> diet that is custom made for that child and just right for each

> particular child. The Nut Diet is not optimal for a child who

might

> have

> difficulties digesting nuts and other SCD legal foods during the

> first

> months( or with extreme cases,during the first year) of the diet.

>

>

> I have read on other lists the posts of parents who assert with

> great

> authority that SCD did not help their child's GI issues. In their

> post,they list the foods that they gave their child;there is

always

> an

> advanced food on that list. I want to shout: " you cannot feed

> lentils to

> a child who has constipation,your kid's gut was not ready to

digest

> this

> food and the undigested food fed the gut bugs. "

>

> I completely understand that it is hard for parents to do the real

> SCD,many children see other kids eating junk foods and feel

> deprived...some children are very picky.... I understand these

> difficulties and that is why we started a special list for

children

> and

> SCD to help parents with these issues. What I ask of you is that

you

> be

> fair to other parents when you are evaluating your child's outcome

> with

> our diet. If you cannot do the real SCD but are doing the nut diet

> and

> not getting results,then please explain it to other parents. It is

> not

> fair to discourage other parents from doing SCD if one did not do

> it

> correctly.

>

> Before reporting about your child's SCD experience on other

autism

> lists, please make sure

> that you implemented the diet correctly. When I used to do SCD

> counseling for free some time ago (I no longer have the time to do

> that), I found out that some parents asserted that they were

> following

> the diet 100% and not getting results. After talking to me,the

> parents

> quickly became aware that they were not implementing SCD

correctly.

> After the mistakes were corrected, the child progressed with SCD.

I

> no

> longer have the time to do SCD counseling but there are excellent

> ways to transform failures into

> success with this wonderful diet.

>

> If you are not happy with your SCD results,then please seek the

help

> of the list,websites,SCD pals and

> SCD counselors. It will be the best investment for your child :you

> will

> save lots of money because doing SCD correctly will shorten

> dramatically

> the amount of time that your child need to do ABA or other ASD

> interventions.

>

> Most parents of ASD children understand that a parent who

> implemented

> ABA,VB or RDI without the supervision of an expert might not get

> good

> results. ABA,VB and RDI are powerful tools for improving our

> children

> but they are complex and mistakes can easily be made by an

untrained

> parent. We need to understand that this situation might also occur

> with

> SCD for children with extremely difficult GI systems.

>

> We have been very lucky that we have been able to help so many

> children

> without private counseling but some children did fall

> betweeen the cracks when their parents stopped SCD without getting

> private counseling. This is a tragedy because a few sessions of

SCD

> counseling can usually fix the problem and are so much more

> economical

> than other ASD interventions.

>

> Please do not give up on this wonderful diet without seeking help

> from this list,SCD counselors or experienced parents!!

>

> All the best,Mimi

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

stool colour, consistency, smell................

mood and feeling strung out etc are very good indicators, i can tell

directly from feeling strung out any food that is badly fermenting

its hard to convey the diffculty of this process of recovery but as

an adult if things have gone downhill bad enough that you need to be

here then recovery is very problematic

i would try candex and oil of oreganol and houstonni enzymes but

maybe the cost is an issue

it will take all your energy and efforts to recover and if you are

thinking in terms of 'clear cut' and not finesse which maybe is a

more female way of thinking compared to male then progress will be to

slow

" solutions are where you find them, not where you want them to be "

from 'unwanted quotes' by 'rejected'

> >

> >

> > There is a diet that is pretending to be SCD and fooling many

> > parents.

> > Many parents think that they are doing SCD and are not aware that

> > they

> > are actually implementing the Nut Diet instead of SCD,confusing

> the

> > Nut

> > Diet with the real SCD.

> >

> > Many parents begin SCD by replacing the breads

> > and cookies of other diets with nut flours They also feed their

> > children any food that is SCD legal without first going through

> the

> > introductory diet and making sure that their child can tolerate

> that

> > food. This is done because most parents think that the rules of

> > SCD

> > and GFCF are the same. When parents start out with GFCF,they are

> > allowed to use all the GFCF legal foods. It is important for

> parents

> > to

> > realize that the rules for SCD are different. While the goal of

> > GFCF is

> > the elimination of foods that contain gluten and casein,the goal

> of

> > SCD

> > is to avoid foods that cannot be digested. A certain food can be

> OK

> > for

> > one

> > child but not for another. Also,a food can be difficult to digest

> > for a

> > child during

> > the first months on SCD but fine at a later time when more gut

> > healing

> > has happened.

> >

> > The important idea behind SCD is that " We must never forget that

> > what

> > the patient takes beyond his ability to digest does harm. "

> > Undigested

> > foods become great nourishment for the gut microorganisms that

> have

> > an

> > excellent ability to digest carbohydrates. These parasites then

> emit

> > toxins that destroy our children's gut and brains.

> >

> > Certain foods that are fine for advanced SCDers are not OK for

> > beginners

> > and might harm them. The most famous example is the nut flour.

> Many

> > children cannot tolerate nut flours in the beginning stages of

the

> > diet.

> > It is advised to start out with the intro diet and gradually

> > introduce

> > new foods. The " stages section " on www.pecanbread provide

> > inspiration

> > but there are no hard rules

> > because our children are all different. The idea is to introduce

> new

> > foods gradually and watch carefully for reactions.That is how you

> > implement the " Real SCD " . If you just feed your child any food

> that

> > is

> > legal SCD food without taking into consideration that some foods

> > might

> > be difficult to digest during the first months then

> > you are doing the " Nut Diet " .

> >

> > As we see,there are two different ways to implement the legal SCD

> > food

> > list:the nut diet and the real SCD.

> >

> > Is the Nut Diet better than GFCF? Of course! Despite its

> > shortcomings,it

> > is a lot easier to digest than the starches that are allowed in

> GFCF

> > and

> > other diets. I will give examples that might clarify this

> confusion

> > and

> > show us that our children are unique and have different outcomes

> > with

> > the Nut Diet.

> >

> > Sue R-F had a 2 year old child who was extremely picky.

only

> > ate

> > goat yogurt,banana,meat and nut muffins. She had constipation

> but

> > recovered with SCD and almost no other intervention (just a few

> > sessions of Tomatis and a couple of hours a week of speech

> therapy).

> > While this nut diet was not optimal,it did recover a child from

> > autism.

> >

> > Another mother,ST, had 2 children,she started with the nut diet

> and

> > got improvements for both children. After about half a year

> > later,she

> > went back to the intro diet and introducing foods gradually. She

> > reported that she got EVEN better results after reintroducing the

> > foods

> > gradually.

> >

> > Jen Young reported that her child was only able to eat a few

foods

> > during his first months of SCD. He could not tolerate nuts during

> > his

> > first 3 months on SCD. After starting the goat yogurt,Jen was

able

> > to

> > feed her child more foods and enable him to recover from Autism.

> Jen

> > was only able to get results if she gave foods that were

> tolerated.

> > If

> > Jen had just followed the legal/illegal list,then her son would

> have

> > made no progress.

> >

> > L is a brilliant man who is very talented in science. He

> has

> > written that SCD,supplements, and enzymes have helped his autism

> > spectrum issues. He

> > has stated that he does better without any nuts,despite the fact

> > that he

> > has been doing SCD for over a year.

> >

> > The advantage of the Real SCD is that it allows the parent to

> design

> > a

> > diet that is custom made for that child and just right for each

> > particular child. The Nut Diet is not optimal for a child who

> might

> > have

> > difficulties digesting nuts and other SCD legal foods during the

> > first

> > months( or with extreme cases,during the first year) of the

diet.

> >

> >

> > I have read on other lists the posts of parents who assert with

> > great

> > authority that SCD did not help their child's GI issues. In their

> > post,they list the foods that they gave their child;there is

> always

> > an

> > advanced food on that list. I want to shout: " you cannot feed

> > lentils to

> > a child who has constipation,your kid's gut was not ready to

> digest

> > this

> > food and the undigested food fed the gut bugs. "

> >

> > I completely understand that it is hard for parents to do the

real

> > SCD,many children see other kids eating junk foods and feel

> > deprived...some children are very picky.... I understand these

> > difficulties and that is why we started a special list for

> children

> > and

> > SCD to help parents with these issues. What I ask of you is that

> you

> > be

> > fair to other parents when you are evaluating your child's

outcome

> > with

> > our diet. If you cannot do the real SCD but are doing the nut

diet

> > and

> > not getting results,then please explain it to other parents. It

is

> > not

> > fair to discourage other parents from doing SCD if one did not

do

> > it

> > correctly.

> >

> > Before reporting about your child's SCD experience on other

> autism

> > lists, please make sure

> > that you implemented the diet correctly. When I used to do SCD

> > counseling for free some time ago (I no longer have the time to

do

> > that), I found out that some parents asserted that they were

> > following

> > the diet 100% and not getting results. After talking to me,the

> > parents

> > quickly became aware that they were not implementing SCD

> correctly.

> > After the mistakes were corrected, the child progressed with SCD.

> I

> > no

> > longer have the time to do SCD counseling but there are excellent

> > ways to transform failures into

> > success with this wonderful diet.

> >

> > If you are not happy with your SCD results,then please seek the

> help

> > of the list,websites,SCD pals and

> > SCD counselors. It will be the best investment for your

child :you

> > will

> > save lots of money because doing SCD correctly will shorten

> > dramatically

> > the amount of time that your child need to do ABA or other ASD

> > interventions.

> >

> > Most parents of ASD children understand that a parent who

> > implemented

> > ABA,VB or RDI without the supervision of an expert might not get

> > good

> > results. ABA,VB and RDI are powerful tools for improving our

> > children

> > but they are complex and mistakes can easily be made by an

> untrained

> > parent. We need to understand that this situation might also

occur

> > with

> > SCD for children with extremely difficult GI systems.

> >

> > We have been very lucky that we have been able to help so many

> > children

> > without private counseling but some children did fall

> > betweeen the cracks when their parents stopped SCD without

getting

> > private counseling. This is a tragedy because a few sessions of

> SCD

> > counseling can usually fix the problem and are so much more

> > economical

> > than other ASD interventions.

> >

> > Please do not give up on this wonderful diet without seeking help

> > from this list,SCD counselors or experienced parents!!

> >

> > All the best,Mimi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the

> book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read

the

> following websites:

> > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > and

> > http://www.pecanbread.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Bruce: Does this mean we should aim

to not pass gas at all since gas is a sign of fermentation?

Dear Bruce,

This was my understanding. To beware of foods that and foods that make you

bloat, cause cramps and come out undigested in your poop. Add them later after

you heal a while. It is our hope and experience that these foods are not

permanently taken out. The gut heals rather fast when eating TRUE SCD. We can

now tolerate many foods that caused problem in the start...still going slow at

introducing more advanced foods.

Antoinette (celiac) entire family of five SCD 2/06

[Guest guest]

> Bruce: Does this mean we should aim

> to not pass gas at all since gas is a sign of fermentation?

>

> Dear Bruce,

>

> This was my understanding.  To beware of foods that and foods that

> make you bloat, cause cramps and come out undigested in your poop. 

> Add them later after you heal a while.  It is our hope and experience

> that these foods are not permanently taken out.  The gut heals rather

> fast when eating TRUE SCD.  We can now tolerate many foods that caused

> problem in the start...still going slow at introducing more advanced

> foods.

Not only is passing gas normal, Hippocrates was right when he said it

is “necessary to well-being.” Everyone does it—and probably more often

than realized. The average person experiences flatulence 15 to 20 times

a day, expelling one to three pints a day, on average. While some

people may hardly notice it, for others, flatulence can be a major

embarrassment. How “gassy” you are depends on what you eat, the balance

of bacteria in your intestines, and whether you have any underlying

gastrointestinal conditions

Carol F.

Toronto, celiac, SCD 6 years

[Guest guest]

Hi Antoinette:

I tried adding cooked peas and green beans but those are causing

bloating, especially the peas. What are some other vegetables

(besides carrots) that might be easy to digest? I'm thinking ones

that contain more insoluble fiber than soluble fiber, since I think

it's the soluble fiber which is more easily fermentable by bactera.

thanks,

Bruce

>

> Bruce: Does this mean we should aim

> to not pass gas at all since gas is a sign of fermentation?

>

> Dear Bruce,

>

> This was my understanding. To beware of foods that and foods that

make you bloat, cause cramps and come out undigested in your poop.

Add them later after you heal a while. It is our hope and

experience that these foods are not permanently taken out. The gut

heals rather fast when eating TRUE SCD. We can now tolerate many

foods that caused problem in the start...still going slow at

introducing more advanced foods.

>

> Antoinette (celiac) entire family of five SCD 2/06

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

After I cook the vegetables in the stock for beef or chicken soup, we pull it

out and purée these cooked vegetable (carrots, celery, green beans and garlic

and a bit of onion) in the food processor and throw them back into the stock for

chicken soup, they do not cause this problem of bloat or indigestion any more.

Experiment and see if this works for you. My daughter is four months out SCD

and still can not tolerate them whole. We too, need to remember to go slow.

LOL!

Hope this helps, Antoinette and family of five SCD 2/06 (celiac/adhd/add/asd and

more)