Re: yogurt starter/probiotics confusion

[Guest guest]

>

> Ok, I have to say that I have been doing some reading. And, I am really

> confused - follow along with me...

>

> www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info says the following about yogurt to use as a

> starter: The yoghurt you buy can contain Lactobacillus Acidophilus,

> Streptococcus Thermophilus, and Lactobacillus Bulgaricus. It must not

> contain Bifidus/Bifidum bacteria.

>

> A new book that I started reading today _Probiotics Nature's Internal

> Healers_ has some interesting things to say about the " banned " bacteria.

>

> For example: ...Bifidobacteria bifidum, common to your large intestines.

> These friendly bacteria not only produce and liberate numerous beneficial

> substances, including vitamins, amino acids, antibiotics, and other

> antimicrobial substances, but they are necessary for maximizing the

> absorption and utilization of nutrients.

>

> And this caught my interest in particular: ...Bifidum probiotics formulated

> with the Malyoth super strain are recommended for overall support, large

> intestine therapy; liver detoxification; food, chemical, and environmental

> sensitivities, microbial or fungal overgrowth syndromes; chronic immune

> suppression; dysbiosis (toxic bowel and/or toxic liver); nutrient

> malabsorption; B-complex deficiencies; inflammation of the large intestine;

> breakdown of bacterial enzymes and/or potential cancer-causing agents;

> support during and after the use of antibiotics, steroids, chemotherapy,

> antimicrobial herbs such as echinacea, goldenseal, and garlic, bulking

> agents, and intestinal cleansing programs; and diarrhea and/or constipation.

>

> I can't seem to find documentation in the BTVC book or on the site as to WHY

> Bifidus/Bifidum are bad. I am obviously missing something. But, the well

> cited souce that I have now seems to be saying that Bifidus/Bifidum are

> essential.

>

> I need some help in clarifying this. Anyone want to lend me a helping hand?

>

> Thanks,

> Jazz

*** Bifidum, Boulardii, and Caseii are not allowed on SCD™. Neither are

soil-based

organisms, as their effects have not been well researched or documented.

Originally from the Long Island listserve.

[Guest guest]

I think this is my point. The book that I am reading is VERY well

researched and has many citations that talk about Bifidus/Bifidum being

beneficial. Since this book was originally published in 1998 I have to

imagine that the research has been around for some time. So, lack of

information on these particular strains just doesn't strike me as a good

enough answer.

I'm wanting to know specifically WHY they are not good on the SCD. I am a

Why " person. Just saying it isn't ok makes me want to research it deeper.

So, now I have and my research is saying that Bifidus/Bifidum are ok. What

is the rationale on SCD for them NOT being ok?

Jazz

-- Re: yogurt starter/probiotics confusion

..

*** Bifidum, Boulardii, and Caseii are not allowed on SCD™. Neither are

soil-based

organisms, as their effects have not been well researched or documented.

Originally from the Long Island listserve.

>

> Ok, I have to say that I have been doing some reading. And, I am really

> confused - follow along with me...

>

> www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info says the following about yogurt to use as

a

> starter: The yoghurt you buy can contain Lactobacillus Acidophilus,

> Streptococcus Thermophilus, and Lactobacillus Bulgaricus. It must not

> contain Bifidus/Bifidum bacteria.

>

> A new book that I started reading today _Probiotics Nature's Internal

> Healers_ has some interesting things to say about the " banned " bacteria.

>

> For example: ...Bifidobacteria bifidum, common to your large intestines.

> These friendly bacteria not only produce and liberate numerous beneficial

> substances, including vitamins, amino acids, antibiotics, and other

> antimicrobial substances, but they are necessary for maximizing the

> absorption and utilization of nutrients.

>

> I need some help in clarifying this. Anyone want to lend me a helping

hand?

>

> Thanks,

> Jazz

[Guest guest]

>

> I think this is my point. The book that I am reading is VERY well

> researched and has many citations that talk about Bifidus/Bifidum being

> beneficial. Since this book was originally published in 1998 I have to

> imagine that the research has been around for some time. So, lack of

> information on these particular strains just doesn't strike me as a good

> enough answer.

>

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[Guest guest]

Jazz,

My understanding of why Bifidus isn't permitted on SCD is that while it may

be useful in a healthy gut (and we do have it in a healthy gut), in an

unhealthy gut, Bifidus is not a team player and is apt to overgrow and

become of problem.

Being one of those people who can't resist trying things (What do you MEAN

it'll cause problems, Miz Elaine?!), I did try Bifidus.

The result was the most appalling round of diarrhea since I'd started SCD.

My husband advised me that I went bouncing off the walls. That part, I

don't remember. <wry grin> But since his observation of me on SCD, after a

particularly trying Christmas dinner preparation which I sailed through

without hassles, was, " It's nice to have the woman I married back... " I

have to assume that I was less than charming.

I wish to goodness Elaine was still with us and we could ask. I know that

she regularly read all the reports in order to keep up. So I have to assume

that the " Bifidus is not a team player " issue and possibly others of which

I'm not aware, were her key reasons for considering it illegal on SCD.

-- Marilyn (New Orleans, Louisiana, USA)

Undiagnosed IBS 25 Years, SCD Five Years

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