Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Carol/Froggypeach... and others... since the topic of studies has come up, I thought some of you might be interested to read, or re-read this message that I had saved. Please note the two messages at the bottom... e-mails from parents. One of them is Tamaro, from Seattle... whom I've had the pleasure to meet and work with at the DAN! conference in Portland, Oregon a few years ago (where I also had the pleasure of meeting and chatting with Binstock). At that time, had test results on both of her sons, after one year on SCD, and baseline results from prior. I only wish I had something in e-mailable format to send, that listed those results... in full color graphs to go with the numbers. A site familiar to many of you. A number of parents, and doctors, who stopped by the pecanbread booth that day were mighty impressed at the much improved lower levels of gut pathogens across the board on both boys. Jaws were, in fact, dropping. Maybe Mimi has saved a post from .... or it might be searchable in the Lyris archives. I'm sorry the following post is so long.... but it's well worth the space it's going to take up. Patti Letter from Binstock: SCD vs GFCF Letter from Binstock:/ Re: one month trial complete Binstock is a very dedicated autism researcher and co author of " Children with Starving Brains " ( Mc Candless is the other author of this book). Binstock thoroughly researched the science behind SCD. She read all the citations mentioned in " Breaking the Vicious Cycle " and gave a glowing talk about SCD at a conference in Cape Cod. Below a letter from Binstock: On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:25:08 -0600, " Binstock " said: Folks, The SCD appears to be an important contribution for a subgroup of autistic and autism-spectrum kids. The choice GFCF or SCD ought be offered parents early in the child's bio-oriented treatment. Here's an excerpt from a letter I wrote to Jaquelyn McCandless, MD, this morning, plus some additional comments, plus two letters from parents. ------- There is much substantiation regarding genetic (rare) and acquired (not so rare) disaccharidase deficiencies. Once an early injury to intestinal tissue occurs, there is a risk of hypersecretion of mucus, a reduction in villi height, and a reduction in disaccharidase enzymes, thereby changing nutrient availability to the host (eg, the infant, toddler, or child) and changing nutrient availability for gut bugs, thereby changing gut-bugs colonization patterns. There is peer-reviewed medical literature about how a person's gut-bugs profile is shaped by what's in his or her diet. I'm not yet an expert on specific bugs' dietary preferences, especially in regard to colonizations arising amidst acquired disaccharidase deficiencies. I don't know how much med lit there is on this point. In my initial fetching of articles, I've found a few in this direction, but I've only just begun. There is some degree of causal overlap between a GFCF diet's effects and an SCD diet's effects -- which helps account for why many parents report GFCF helped somewhat, even as some parents report major improvements after discarding GFCF and initiating SCD. That an SCD-beneficial subgroup exists suggests that the option SCD or GFCF ought be introduced very early in the child's treatment protocol. For instance, some parents describe years of GF or GFCF then only much later finding that major improvements in stools, mood, and cognition occurred after initiating the SCD. For that size-unknown subgroup of children, their alleviation of or recovery from autism-related traits may well have been hastened and increased if they had had the SCD much sooner. There is a major difference between food allergy which is Ig-mediated and food intolerance which is non-immunologic. A food allergy panel misses kids with non-immunologic food intolerance. Many parents are becoming angry that they were oversold on GFCF and were not told about the SCD. I don't think that anyone is to " blame " for recommending GFCF -- because to one degree or another, it has helped many kids. See parental reports of GFCF efficacy on ARI's webpage. And virtually all of us missed the well documented points (and primary citations) in Elaine's " Breaking the Vicious Cycle " . A second major point is that the SCD may (for at least some kids, many kids?) allow the redevelopment of a healthier intestinal colonization. Perhaps (as the SCD advocates summarize), adverse colonization is initiated, augmented, and sustained by sugars and starches that are " permitted " within the GFCF diet. Obtaining the peer reviewed citations on this point is very important. Obtaining comparative OAT tests (before/after SCD) and comparative CDSA tests will also be instructive. A potential ramification is that many of the foods allowed by the GFCF diet are a major contributing factor to the gut-bugs that persist so defiantly. Pam Ferro will soon have some kids who had the OAT several months ago while GF and not SCD and who will soon have a repeat OAT after 3-4 months on the SCD. If the OAT actually reflects specific types of gut bugs, and if the SCD is changing intestinal colonization profiles, then some categories of the post-SCD OATvalues ought reflect some degree of SCD-modified colonization. Lord and Sid Finegold and Ellen Bolte may be able to help in this regard. At least something (for some kids) is changing by the SCD -- because their stool texture is changing and, as this occurs, their behaviors and cognition are improving. Will the OAT reflect those changes? We'll soon know. Will the CDSA reflect those changes? After perusing Elaine's book and many of its primary citations, I feel similarly to how I felt after reading Ellen Bolte's first draft, after reading the thimerosal paper's first draft -- ie, the parents have nailed something important. Regarding SCD, Elaine Gottschall is the first parent to call attention to the disaccharidase deficiency folks and to do so via numerous, well interpreted citations from peer-reviewed journals. The second phase of parents are those like Pam Ferro, Mimi, and others -- parents who recognized the potential importance of the SCD and who acted upon the SCD and who, in many instances, are finding that indeed, the SCD is beneficial, even (as first reports indicate) is more beneficial than GFCF (at least for a size-unknown subset of ASD kids). Elaine Gottschall's first several chapters of the book " Breaking the Vicious Cycle " (and the primary citations she offers) comprise a fine scientific treatise, well worth perusing by DAN-oriented physicians, researchers, and parents. Breaking the Vicious Cycle: Intestinal Health Through Diet by Elaine Gloria Gottschall, (Illustrator), Marilyn (Illustrator) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0969276818/ Two sample emails: - I just wanted to write back and clarify something. I didn't start SCD because GFCF wasn't working. In fact GFCF had nothing at all to do with my decision to start SCD. I started SCD last summer because I had spent the prior two years making zero headway against my son's yeast and bacteria levels. I knew that microbial overgrowth was a major factor in his autism and I recognized that he could improve only if his yeast & bacteria levels were reduced. SCD showed me that diet is critical in normalizing autistic children's intestinal flora. Quite frankly, after we had been on SCD for awhile and I understood it better, I began to see what a disservice GFCF has done to autistic children with its tolerance of sugar and encouragement of " alternative " starches such as rice and potatoes. Those are the very foods that are making our kids sick. So I personally think it is a distraction to ask people if they use SCD because GFCF is ineffective. SCD is something else entirely: It is the most healthy & superior way to " clean the gut " that anyone could devise. And I have found that a clean gut equals a healthier child. I hope we get a chance to meet at the DAN Conference. Tamaro Mercer Island, Washington Mom to , 6, ASD-recovered, and , 4 Crohn's -------- Hello . As you are looking at the SCD diet, I thought you might be interested in our findings. Two or more years ago we started our son Ralph ( now 13 y/old ) on the SCD diet out of desperation. He was getting more and more agitated and violent to others and himself - I should add that he had been on a g/c free diet for several years previously. We noticed very quickly that it was helping. He became much more calm and happier. It gave a much more level playing field in which to try to address his problems. The interesting thing, is that because Ralph likes food, he would always want to eat what everyone else was eating, so I volunteered to eat the same as him at mealtimes. After about four weeks of this, I suddenly realised that the pain that I had continuously in my knees - arthritis/rheumatism? - not sure, I hadn't been to the doctors about it, had gone. I was very surprised and began to examine my own petty ailments. I discovered that my previously " always blocked up " nose was now clear, and my slight hand tremors had gone ( I assumed I had inherited in some way, my Mothers Parkinson's Disease ). Also I stopped getting seasonal colds and haven't had any sign of one since I cut out (almost ) all carbs [illegal carbs] from my diet. Over the past two years, I have often wondered why carbs are such a problem for me and Ralph - I often crave a HUGE cheese sandwich [bread], and only last week it occurred to me that perhaps carbohydrates are acting as an immune system suppressant, allowing the bad guys to get more of a hold. What do you think? Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 February 3, 2003 Hi Patti, I do have a letter from . Mimi --------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Dr. Rimland: I am writing to suggest the addition of someone at the next DAN! Conference or Thinktank: Ms. Elaine Gottschall, nutritionist and author of Breaking the Vicious Cycle: Intestinal Health Through Diet. Ms. Gottschall cured her young daughter of ulcerative colitis in the 1960s with this diet, and then went on to study food biochemistry and its effect on intestinal health, along the way earning a Master's degree. (You may know who she is?she knows of you!). The premise of the Specific Carbohydrate Diet is removal of all sources of starch and complex sugars from the diet, because the diseased intestines, inflamed from the effects of dysbiosis, are not producing the enzymes necessary for digestion of starches and sugars and so those undigested starch/sugar molecules serve as a continual source of food for bacteria and fungi. Removing starches and sugars results in a correction of dysbiosis, which then results in a decrease in intestinal inflammation and allows the villi to resume production of digestive enzymes. The Specific Carbohydrate Diet was designed for patients with other intestinal diseases but has been " found " by some of us with autistic children, and we are getting great results. I would direct you to an informative website at www.geocities.com/recoverymaze. We moms have also started a listserve and Elaine Gottschall frequently posts there. At the age of 82 she is still interested in helping sick children! The difference between the Specific Carbohydrate Diet and the GFCF Diet is that the GFCF Diet really aims to control peptides and allergenic foods, while the Specific Carbohydrate Diet heals the gut by addressing faulty digestion resulting from microbial overgrowths. Moreover, while the GFCF diet does not restrict starches (so long as they are gluten-free) or sugar, the SCDiet removes all complex sugars and starches and is quite specific and detailed on what types of carbohydrates are allowed. My son , 6, who is in the care of Dr. Green, has been on this diet for six months. He was diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder at 3 years 9 months, and his initial score on the CARS was 30. Since he started the SCDiet last July he has lost all traces of echolalia; he is attending kindergarten without an IEP and doing fine; he has friends; and he is learning to read (with phonics). His digestion is greatly improved, he no longer has either diarrhea or constipation, and he now falls asleep at 8:00 p.m. instead of 11:00 p.m. His dysbiosis is improving rapidly. In fact, his behavior and attentiveness have improved to where they are better than some of his neurotypical peers. My other son , 4, is neurotypical and has had diarrhea from the age of 2. He, too, has chronic high levels of dysbiosis. Since starting the SCDiet last summer his diarrhea and yeast rash have disappeared. Therefore I hope you will read Elaine Gottschall's book and consider inviting her to either the next DAN! Conference or the next DAN! thinktank. Her premise that certain foods can contribute to intestinal disease is completely consistent with recent autism research findings - I will list just two: CAN funded a study at UCLA that found elevated bacterial growth in the intestines of autistic children, while Drs. Buie and Horvath are finding impaired digestive enzyme production in autistic children. These findings can be predicted and corrected with the SCDiet. Those of us whose children are on this diet believe that Elaine Gottschall knows how to completely heal the gut, and that her diet holds great promise for the autistic community. Very truly yours, Tamaro > > > Maybe Mimi has saved a post from .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Oh Patti! This is just an awesome email, thank you! The mom's note ( Tammaro) explained my feelings to a 'T'. GFCF did work for us, but it allowed the proliferation of nasty gut bugs. I think that's a very important way to think of this. SCD should not be a diet for parents to turn to because GFCF didn't work, it very well may, but SCD will work on areas GFCF can't touch because of the sugar and starched in it. Looks like they have the beginning of some potential case studies for SCD. It would be great if they could get one published. Also, what I think really needs to happen, is we need a parent account type of book written by a parent whose child has recovered from autism and SCD was one of the interventions. I don't believe there is one, is there? Along the lines of the books such as Unraveling the Mysteries of Autism and PDD by Seroussi and Let Me Hear Your Voice by Maurice. Maybe Pam Ferro or Tammaro? Becky mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT) SCD 3 months > > Carol/Froggypeach... and others... since the topic of studies has come up, > I thought some of you might be interested to read, or re-read this message > that I had saved. Please note the two messages at the bottom... e-mails > from parents. One of them is Tamaro, from Seattle... whom I've > had the pleasure to meet and work with at the DAN! conference in Portland, > Oregon a few years ago (where I also had the pleasure of meeting and > chatting with Binstock). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Thank you Patti for this post. This explains why at first the GF and then GF CF and then other interventions (that still had starch) appeared to work for us at first......and within time....no longer did...all experiments ended in disaster. Now I can see why they did not...the bad gut bugs still where getting fed! Antoinette and family scd/2/06 celiac/add,adhd autism and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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