So mad!!!

[Guest guest]

It is so obvious its not even funny. I regret this more than anything

I have ever done. I should have listened to Zulu. He was right. Don't

do the surgery!! I don't want to discourage anyone else but I am so

unhappy with this it I am sick over it. I appreciate all the positive

remarks but like I said it is so obvious. To go through years of

braces, surgery, money, time off work. I demand perfection!!! And I

didn't get it. Apparently I was chasing a dream but it was just that.

a dream. I honestly believe I am worse of than I was before. WHAT A

WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY!! Thanks to all of you and good luck, this

will be my last post.

[Guest guest]

How unfortunate that you feel that way. I stand by my initial comment

that there looks to be a significant change and you look more handsome,

and as Zulu said- more masculine, as well. Perhaps you are having a bad

day or should get those mirrors that allow you to look at your profile

clearly (3 mirrors set up at angles) Funny, no-one can see the

difference on me except me and I'm happy. If I wanted a Major change to

my appearance, I would have just dyed my hair. This was just about

tweaking the proportion so the overall affect was more aesthetically

pleasing. Give it time and try to feel better. I know you don't care to

post but something tells me you'll still be reading other's postings.

Good Luck!

Tova

>

> It is so obvious its not even funny. I regret this more than anything

> I have ever done. I should have listened to Zulu. He was right. Don't

> do the surgery!! I don't want to discourage anyone else but I am so

> unhappy with this it I am sick over it. I appreciate all the positive

> remarks but like I said it is so obvious. To go through years of

> braces, surgery, money, time off work. I demand perfection!!! And I

> didn't get it. Apparently I was chasing a dream but it was just that.

> a dream. I honestly believe I am worse of than I was before. WHAT A

> WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY!! Thanks to all of you and good luck, this

> will be my last post.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with Tova it was a subtle change

but your nose to lip to chin ratio appears to look

great.

[Guest guest]

Dan,

I understand your frustration, and per my previous post, I've

" been there, done that " too. I hope you looked at my " sorry "

profile that I had after my first surgery. ( " bad post " file) My oral

surgeon, orthodontist, etc. thought they had worked a miracle,

when I felt like I had only moved to a slightly less dork look.

However, a second genioplasty, done by a surgeon who

understood my concerns, gave me a radical change. Perhaps a

genioplasty would finish the project for you and give you the

more significant change you desire. I know what you mean...

braces, surgery, recovery, the high price tag, really should give

perfection. If we have the medical technology to rebuild hearts,

etc. it seems that the area of orthognathic surgery should be

capable of producing near perfection on a regular basis.

Nonetheless, I think your surgery made some progress for you,

and just like my first surgery and all the stuff surrounding it

produced lackluster results, it was a foundation to allow for my

big genioplasty to provide the finished product.

>

> It is so obvious its not even funny. I regret this more than

anything

> I have ever done. I should have listened to Zulu. He was right.

Don't

> do the surgery!! I don't want to discourage anyone else but I am

so

> unhappy with this it I am sick over it. I appreciate all the positive

> remarks but like I said it is so obvious. To go through years of

> braces, surgery, money, time off work. I demand perfection!!!

And I

> didn't get it. Apparently I was chasing a dream but it was just

that.

> a dream. I honestly believe I am worse of than I was before.

WHAT A

> WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY!! Thanks to all of you and good

luck, this

> will be my last post.

[Guest guest]

I think your profile looks a lot better. Honestly. Now all you need is

a confident smile and you'll be wowing the babes! :-# Luna

>

> It is so obvious its not even funny. I regret this more than anything

> I have ever done. I should have listened to Zulu. He was right. Don't

> do the surgery!! I don't want to discourage anyone else but I am so

> unhappy with this it I am sick over it. I appreciate all the positive

> remarks but like I said it is so obvious. To go through years of

> braces, surgery, money, time off work. I demand perfection!!! And I

> didn't get it. Apparently I was chasing a dream but it was just that.

> a dream. I honestly believe I am worse of than I was before. WHAT A

> WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY!! Thanks to all of you and good luck, this

> will be my last post.

[Guest guest]

I am so sorry you feel this way.

I see some definite improvement, Dan -- but what I see doesn't

matter. It's what you see and feel and think that matters.

I hope you'll give yourself some more time to heal, and I hope you

don't really mean that's your last post. We're here for those who are

unhappy with their results as well as those who are satisfied -- it's

just that I don't know quite how to console you.

I can tell you that you're a fine looking fella, in my humble

opinion. But then I'm an old, old not-so-lovely broad, so my opinion

may not mean much to you.

I do think your chin is a lot stronger in the after photos, and I,

too, would like to see a big grin!

Have you talked with your ortho and surgeon about your unhappiness?

Maybe one or the other will have some ideas to offer you.

Best,

Cammie

>

> It is so obvious its not even funny. I regret this more than

anything

> I have ever done. I should have listened to Zulu. He was right.

Don't

> do the surgery!! I don't want to discourage anyone else but I am so

> unhappy with this it I am sick over it. I appreciate all the

positive

> remarks but like I said it is so obvious. To go through years of

> braces, surgery, money, time off work. I demand perfection!!! And I

> didn't get it. Apparently I was chasing a dream but it was just

that.

> a dream. I honestly believe I am worse of than I was before. WHAT A

> WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY!! Thanks to all of you and good luck, this

> will be my last post.

[Guest guest]

Dan,

you don't look worse... at least i don't think you do... maybe the

results don't meet your expectations, but you don't look worse...

i think in time you'll agree with all of us when we say you look

better now...

however, i do think your ortho should be " tarred and feathered " ...

i truly believe that he screwed up when he pulled a few teeth in

preparation for the surgery...

PS. i'm only joking when i say that someone should be " tarred and

feathered " ...

[Guest guest]

I think everyone has been really supportive of Dan. I can really

feel that support when i read your replies. I can completely

understand how he feels as I am in the same boat. i have several

very personal difficult situations going on in my life right now,

many that won't resolve anytime soon, and when things get tough I

can't help but think to myself.... and i've got these freakin'

braces on still, a gap in my teeth that looks like a black hole, and

a face that is more crooked than a bank robber. Many times i can

just cry, I really understand where Dan is coming from. Dan, if you

are still reading posts, obviously not much will change if this

truly is an asymmetrical issue, unless something else is done. With

that being said, it MAY be more money, more healing, more discomfort

or pain, but as said, it may all be worth it and just more

than most of the folks on here have to go through. One surgery

alone is so intense and so major in the healing and function of bite

etc realm that to think of going through anything like that again

could drive one mad. Stay with us. As Cammie said, talk to us. I

guess it is not often that we all see posts like this, but as you

can see the response has been so supportive. Believe me, i just

didn't have the guts to write as blatantly as you, though I feel the

same way.

>

> It is so obvious its not even funny. I regret this more than

anything

> I have ever done. I should have listened to Zulu. He was right.

Don't

> do the surgery!! I don't want to discourage anyone else but I am

so

> unhappy with this it I am sick over it. I appreciate all the

positive

> remarks but like I said it is so obvious. To go through years of

> braces, surgery, money, time off work. I demand perfection!!! And

I

> didn't get it. Apparently I was chasing a dream but it was just

that.

> a dream. I honestly believe I am worse of than I was before. WHAT

A

> WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY!! Thanks to all of you and good luck, this

> will be my last post.

[Guest guest]

I really appreciate all of the positive comments and support all of

you have given me. I know I said I was not going to post anymore, but

I wanted to let you all know I am very greatful. I am not as mad as I

was yesterday about the whole thing. I guess I just had a breakdown

of some sort. I Feel better today. I am going to bring these issues

up with my surgeon next Tuesday. Until them I am going to try not to

worry about it. I will keep reading and posting and trying to offer

support if I can. Thanks so much:)

- In orthognathicsurgerysupport , " albertiway "

<albertiway@y...> wrote:

>

> I think everyone has been really supportive of Dan. I can really

> feel that support when i read your replies. I can completely

> understand how he feels as I am in the same boat. i have several

> very personal difficult situations going on in my life right now,

> many that won't resolve anytime soon, and when things get tough I

> can't help but think to myself.... and i've got these freakin'

> braces on still, a gap in my teeth that looks like a black hole,

and

> a face that is more crooked than a bank robber. Many times i can

> just cry, I really understand where Dan is coming from. Dan, if

you

> are still reading posts, obviously not much will change if this

> truly is an asymmetrical issue, unless something else is done. With

> that being said, it MAY be more money, more healing, more

discomfort

> or pain, but as said, it may all be worth it and just more

> than most of the folks on here have to go through. One surgery

> alone is so intense and so major in the healing and function of

bite

> etc realm that to think of going through anything like that again

> could drive one mad. Stay with us. As Cammie said, talk to us. I

> guess it is not often that we all see posts like this, but as you

> can see the response has been so supportive. Believe me, i just

> didn't have the guts to write as blatantly as you, though I feel

the

> same way.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > It is so obvious its not even funny. I regret this more than

> anything

> > I have ever done. I should have listened to Zulu. He was right.

> Don't

> > do the surgery!! I don't want to discourage anyone else but I am

> so

> > unhappy with this it I am sick over it. I appreciate all the

> positive

> > remarks but like I said it is so obvious. To go through years of

> > braces, surgery, money, time off work. I demand perfection!!! And

> I

> > didn't get it. Apparently I was chasing a dream but it was just

> that.

> > a dream. I honestly believe I am worse of than I was before. WHAT

> A

> > WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY!! Thanks to all of you and good luck,

this

> > will be my last post.

[Guest guest]

Dan, new to the sight but not new to unplanned breakdowns. I am only

10 days post op. Look Your post op pictures looked much better. I

too had unrealistic expectations about my outcome. After a few day I

looked in the mirroe and asked my husband, Does my chin still tilt to

the right a little?? AFTER ALL THIS SUFFERING??? And I did suffer the

first week. On another message board everyone was saying how perfect

their surgery went no pain no fear perfect results and I just

couldn't take it anymore. I posted some pretty negative messages my

first week post op. But back to our expectations of perfection. I

was a little furiuos when I saw that the problem was only lessened

not corrected completely and my husband ( a 4th year med student

going into general surgery then plastic surgery residency) said your

chin may be off a little to the right but your bite is perfect and

furthermore no one would ever notice that but you. And for the first

time... He was right. We have looked and critiqued ourselves so much

and so harshly at times that we forget how badly we wantedthis done

and how badly we are looking forward to the results. I read in a

packet from my dr's office that many people have other procedures

done cosmetic ones after this. I thought to myself hmmm.... That

didn't sit well with me. Wanting the perfect smile is not me wanting

to perfectly commercialize my face. My chin has always poked a

little out and I was always self conscience about it but my husband

didn't notice my jaw was longer on one side until after being married

2 years and my orthodontist pointed it out. And we dated for 6 years

before that! So, I began thinking about my features and their

imperfections...my nose has a slight hump and I was just told by my

OS that it slants to one side! Humph! I never even noticed that. But

I have my dads nose and generations of his family have this nose. It

is not so big that it makes me feel bad about myself although it

isn't small and I kind of felt if I go changing all

my " imperfections " what is my daughter going to think when she grows

up? Although I understand completely why people do it. Cheer up!

You look better and so do I. We just need to step away from the

mirror a few inched and try to see ourselves the way everyone else

does! I hope you feel better. This has been the hardest thing I've

ever done including childbirth! And the most depressing. I know

we'll see results, it just seems to take awhile.

jane

> > >

> > > It is so obvious its not even funny. I regret this more than

> > anything

> > > I have ever done. I should have listened to Zulu. He was right.

> > Don't

> > > do the surgery!! I don't want to discourage anyone else but I

am

> > so

> > > unhappy with this it I am sick over it. I appreciate all the

> > positive

> > > remarks but like I said it is so obvious. To go through years

of

> > > braces, surgery, money, time off work. I demand perfection!!!

And

> > I

> > > didn't get it. Apparently I was chasing a dream but it was just

> > that.

> > > a dream. I honestly believe I am worse of than I was before.

WHAT

> > A

> > > WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY!! Thanks to all of you and good luck,

> this

> > > will be my last post.

[Guest guest]

Dan, seriously your profile IS better. The chin is definitely more pronounced.

You look fine from the front too - I can just see what you mean about the

asymmetry but not sure that it is immediately noticeable.

I hope you do end up happy with this - I really think a good surgery was

performed on you with a noticeable improvement in your profile.

Suzy

DWILZEN wrote:

I really appreciate all of the positive comments and support all of

you have given me. I know I said I was not going to post anymore, but

I wanted to let you all know I am very greatful. I am not as mad as I

was yesterday about the whole thing. I guess I just had a breakdown

of some sort. I Feel better today. I am going to bring these issues

up with my surgeon next Tuesday. Until them I am going to try not to

worry about it. I will keep reading and posting and trying to offer

support if I can. Thanks so much:)

- In orthognathicsurgerysupport , " albertiway "

<albertiway@y...> wrote:

>

> I think everyone has been really supportive of Dan. I can really

> feel that support when i read your replies. I can completely

> understand how he feels as I am in the same boat. i have several

> very personal difficult situations going on in my life right now,

> many that won't resolve anytime soon, and when things get tough I

> can't help but think to myself.... and i've got these freakin'

> braces on still, a gap in my teeth that looks like a black hole,

and

> a face that is more crooked than a bank robber. Many times i can

> just cry, I really understand where Dan is coming from. Dan, if

you

> are still reading posts, obviously not much will change if this

> truly is an asymmetrical issue, unless something else is done. With

> that being said, it MAY be more money, more healing, more

discomfort

> or pain, but as said, it may all be worth it and just more

> than most of the folks on here have to go through. One surgery

> alone is so intense and so major in the healing and function of

bite

> etc realm that to think of going through anything like that again

> could drive one mad. Stay with us. As Cammie said, talk to us. I

> guess it is not often that we all see posts like this, but as you

> can see the response has been so supportive. Believe me, i just

> didn't have the guts to write as blatantly as you, though I feel

the

> same way.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > It is so obvious its not even funny. I regret this more than

> anything

> > I have ever done. I should have listened to Zulu. He was right.

> Don't

> > do the surgery!! I don't want to discourage anyone else but I am

> so

> > unhappy with this it I am sick over it. I appreciate all the

> positive

> > remarks but like I said it is so obvious. To go through years of

> > braces, surgery, money, time off work. I demand perfection!!! And

> I

> > didn't get it. Apparently I was chasing a dream but it was just

> that.

> > a dream. I honestly believe I am worse of than I was before. WHAT

> A

> > WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY!! Thanks to all of you and good luck,

this

> > will be my last post.

[Guest guest]

, it's hard when you're trying to deal with more than

one " crisis, " -- and believe me, I don't mean anything pejoritive by

the quote marks.

I have several Big Deals going on right now -- fortunately, my jaw

surgery never was one, at least after I came out of the OR.

But try to be easy with yourself and stay calm. That's the best

advice I can offer. If you're unhappy, whyever, you're unhappy, and

you will find it difficult to be kind to yourself most of all.

Honey, the braces aren't forever. Honest. The gap isn't, either. And

your face may be more crooked than a bank robber (nice phrasing! but

I doubt it), but your spirit isn't, and that's way more important,

in the long run.

Do cry, as much as you want, if it makes you feel better. (Alas, all

it does for me is to stuff up my nose, make my face turn red and

send me into a state of blubbering idiocy. Not good results for the

effort, really, and I hate investing in Kleenex!)

But there's nothing wrong with doing it, nor with seeking help for

what troubles you. If discomfort and/or healing and/or pain are

temporary, you can get through them. It's when something is wrong,

and you know that there's no way it can ever get better -- or an

outside shot, at best -- that the time for despair settles in.

I hope you will find satisfaction from your docs, or from your soul.

I'd bet you're beautiful, crooked face or not! (Have you ever looked

at some of the great, legendary beauties? Merle Oberon comes to

mind. From all accounts, she was dynamite, and had an eye that

was " cocked, " or off to one side.) Very few of us have real

symmetry, and I, for one, think that symmetry is sort of overrated.

And I've already said that Dan's a looker, to me -- but then I have

a weakness for moustaches...

Cammie

>

> I think everyone has been really supportive of Dan. I can really

> feel that support when i read your replies. I can completely

> understand how he feels as I am in the same boat. i have several

> very personal difficult situations going on in my life right now,

> many that won't resolve anytime soon, and when things get tough I

> can't help but think to myself.... and i've got these freakin'

> braces on still, a gap in my teeth that looks like a black hole,

and

> a face that is more crooked than a bank robber. Many times i can

> just cry, I really understand where Dan is coming from. Dan, if

you

> are still reading posts, obviously not much will change if this

> truly is an asymmetrical issue, unless something else is done.

With

> that being said, it MAY be more money, more healing, more

discomfort

> or pain, but as said, it may all be worth it and just more

> than most of the folks on here have to go through. One surgery

> alone is so intense and so major in the healing and function of

bite

> etc realm that to think of going through anything like that again

> could drive one mad. Stay with us. As Cammie said, talk to us. I

> guess it is not often that we all see posts like this, but as you

> can see the response has been so supportive. Believe me, i just

> didn't have the guts to write as blatantly as you, though I feel

the

> same way.

>

>