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Just a thought is there anybody on this group that is on a natural Thyroxin

i.e. hypo allergenic, If so I would be very happy to converse with you.

C UK

> My biggest problem with meno or whatever has been itching especially on

> my feet. For the past 6 months my itching has gone away.

> So this was great. Now it has returned.

>

> I recently got a increase of my levoxyl form 0.05 to 0.075. I am

> wondering if this increase could be the culprit? Should I go back to my

> old dose?

> I have to wait until April to see my doctor and try to get Armour then.

>

> Also if I take estrogen or progesterone I itch real bad. With pins and

> needles also all over my body.

>

> Also if I eat anything I itch and the acid or gastric problems have

> gotten worse.

>

> I am just so scared with these things returning now and don't know what

> to do about this.

> I am really depressed over this.

>

> The only reason I got the increase was I felt so tired all the time but

> now I would take tired over itching.

> My TSH if you remember was 3 and the free t3 and free t4 was in the

> middle ranges.

>

> Thanks

>

> Anita

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Ssomething that has been working quite well for me is Red Marine

Algae. I use the Phycoplex brand. You can order it on line at

www.verdenaturals.com. It is supposed to rupture the yeast cells and

it does seem to work pretty good for me . . . as long as I keep

taking it. I did have some die-off symptoms the first couple of days

so if you feel worse at first, be patient.

Hope this helps you too!

-Margaret

> I have recently been diganosed with candida about 1 month ago i

> started taking primal defense probiotics and mutiple enzymes . Have

> been trying hard to follow the diet and not consuming any sugar

> products this part might i say is the hardest part but my problem

is

> my mouth is all infected the dr did a scraping and said it is a

yeast

> infection in my mouth maybe someone could tell me what to use to

> clear it up i have tried everything i can think of to no avail so i

> was thinking one of you might have had this part and have a answer

to

> this question. Thank you

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Ssomething that has been working quite well for me is Red Marine

Algae. I use the Phycoplex brand. You can order it on line at

www.verdenaturals.com. It is supposed to rupture the yeast cells and

it does seem to work pretty good for me . . . as long as I keep

taking it. I did have some die-off symptoms the first couple of days

so if you feel worse at first, be patient.

Hope this helps you too!

-Margaret

> I have recently been diganosed with candida about 1 month ago i

> started taking primal defense probiotics and mutiple enzymes . Have

> been trying hard to follow the diet and not consuming any sugar

> products this part might i say is the hardest part but my problem

is

> my mouth is all infected the dr did a scraping and said it is a

yeast

> infection in my mouth maybe someone could tell me what to use to

> clear it up i have tried everything i can think of to no avail so i

> was thinking one of you might have had this part and have a answer

to

> this question. Thank you

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Hi . I am very sorry that you didnt get any responses back. I dont know

anything about scoliosis. I do know 2 people i met in my surgeons office had

surgery for their scoliosis but i dont know the extent of it. Are you seeing an

orthopedic doc? Through the years what did they say about the scolisis?

As far as your veins being clogged I think that would be more for a vasualar

doc to evaluate. I know I am asking more questions then given you answers but

maybe if your able to tell us more about your situation others will be able to

give you some answers..

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...that was the hardest for me after I hurt my back...learning how to slow

down. accepting that I couldn't do most of the things I used to do, and allowing

others to help me. Only time will help you heal and accept the changes in your

life. Depression is normal, but if it gets severe, please seek help from your

doctor with it.

Remember that you are not alone in this!

Vivian H.

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Hi ..I know waiting too see the doc is not fun. It was 4 months when my first

symtoms arrived. (pain down my leg) till I had my first surgery.

(laminectomy)

It was back and forth from MRI's to therapy to ESI's then surgery. Then I

went 8 months pain free till it all came back again. Then another ESI and I was

pain free once more. Then a fall in Feb and that was the end of it all. I had a

spine fusion L4-L5 April 28. Now I am doing good. But it seems like when will

it ever end. You see the doc he sends you for the MRI then you have to wait

till you get an apt with him then he says well lets try this then it doesnt

work so you gotta go back then he says well lets try that..and weeks go by but

the pain never goes away..

I am 36 and have 3 kids. So I am always on the go with them. All this knocked

me to the ground. It was a hassle each day to get the energy to get them to

where they needed to be..

We are all in the same boat. We do what we can do to be as pain free as we

can. I must say last night I had to take a pain pill for the first time since 2

weeks after surgery. I dont know what it was but man did my back kill me. I

dreaded taken it. To me it was like " Oh no please not this again " But I woke up

feeling much better.

Ok well I sure hope everyone has a great day..

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Hi, Lelie,

Welcome to our group! In a way, I'm sad we're all here b/c of our

backs. I'm sorry I didn't have a chance to read your post till

today. I'm " back " to being nearly busy. I don't think we meant to

ignore you. From my own experience in this terrific group, members

tend to help out where they can, where they have some knowledge. I'm

sure someone in here will be able to help.

I hear what you're saying about being a real go getter (me, too) &

now having to rest up at home. Besides being a wife & mom of b/g

twins & handling their busy schedules (over-achievers in sports,

academics, music, art), I had a busy, part-time job (I replaced 2

full timers), sat on the board of several community organizations, &

volunteered in the local community, my kids' school, & church (plus

an exercise fiend). I went from being extremely busy to the smiple

task of not causing further back trauma. Just concentrating on

getting safely out of bed (tuck my knees, roll to the side, & sit up,

which hurt like the dickens) was so painful, I tried to limit it

unless I absolutely needed to get up. Now 4 mos. later, I'm doing so

well, my PT says I'm blessed.

There are lots of good people here. If we can't help with all the

specifics, some of us can point you in the right direction.

Again, welcome,

sonia

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hi susan. i really dont kno that much about my condition but i know i have that

scol thing...i use a chair and it makes me more independent if nothing else

hun..i have accepted that i dont want the degree in medicine that goes with

this condition cos all my time would be used on that and last week i got a new

power chair and its brill.i love my freedom, i love my chair bcos it gave me

back my independence, do you use a chair hun, i feel like this will serve you no

use and im sorry u feel so lost about what is going on in your life but remember

you can make a change and if the pain is so awful as it was for me once was then

consider doing something that will make it a bit more bearable or if you are

resticted bcos of your condition and cant shop or pay your own bills..im

guessing here ..consider your life and how you could change it to make you feel

happpier,,,for years i tried to walk and was always losing out because i couldnt

do anything on my own for i would pass out..now with my

chair i can sit outside the shops and shop for me cos the shopkeepers know me

and altho this isnt the ideal it make me feel a little better.love and hugs to

you and i wish i could help u in a way that you felt beneficial..i hope this

waffling makes you forget your troyubles for a little moment i nothing else.love

and hugs...Janine.xx

LS816@... wrote:Hi . I am very sorry that you didnt get any responses

back. I dont know

anything about scoliosis. I do know 2 people i met in my surgeons office had

surgery for their scoliosis but i dont know the extent of it. Are you seeing an

orthopedic doc? Through the years what did they say about the scolisis?

As far as your veins being clogged I think that would be more for a vasualar

doc to evaluate. I know I am asking more questions then given you answers but

maybe if your able to tell us more about your situation others will be able to

give you some answers..

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Hi, there,

I don't really know what else to recommend to you - it sounds like you are doing

everything that you need to do. You have the book and it seems like you are

following it pretty strictly. Doing the saliva testing is also key - it can

really help you to target things that you need to remove.

I really just wanted to add some moral support - I know how difficult the

program can be to follow. Taking all of those pills every day was really hard.

The book recommends that you open up all of the pills and mix the powder into

your food but I personally found that even harder. There is no amount of food

that can absorb all of that powder - at least not that can be eaten by a single

person. The glutathione in particular made me very nauseous. I'm sure it must

be even more difficult for your husband due to the nature of his cancer.

One thing I will mention regarding water - I don't know about the magnets but

you can at least get a good filter for your drinking water. There is one

available www.shrc.net, you can buy the pitcher and the filters that fit them.

Also, the herbs in the bowel cleanse might also be helpful - turmeric and

fennel. The ozonated oil is also especially important because zapping will not

get the parasites that are in the bowels, etc.

Good luck,

Karyn

sahuri Donna <whatsahuri@...> wrote:

I am somewhat new to this whole Dr. program.

My husband has been diagnosed with colon cancer that has spread to his liver.

I heard about Dr. 's cure from a man that we met in the hospital.....He

actually lent me his copy of 'The Cure for All Cancer'.

After I read this book I decided what have we got to lose to give this a try and

immediately began the Parasite Cleanse and Zapping.

My husband had surgery to remove the cancer from his colon before I had heard

about this book. He was recovering from the colonectomy when an e.coli

infection (from the surgery) set it and set him back 35 lbs.

It has now been a month since the clean up from the infection (which was another

surgery - as they reopened the original incision and did an abdominal wash).

We started the Parasite Cleans and Zapping about Sept. 19th. On Oct 6th our

oncologist advised that he has between 6 - 21 months as his cancer is in Stage

IV.

We began a version of the 21 day cure, applying what elements we thought

pertanent. Since starting this program he has not put much of the weight he

lost from the surgery back on, but his coloring, appetite and energy level has

improved.

Today he started the shrinking of the tumor portion of this 21 day

program......he is having difficulty swallowing all the concoctions, his throat

is sore, and he is very tired........We have decided to stop these increased

quantities of herbs and vitamins until we get more direction.

We have sent a Saliva sample off for testing and I do have a copy of a blood

test from a few days ago......Can anyone give us some assistance?

I should also mention that I am practicing the sterilization of his food and

have tried to rid the house of as many possible sources of toxins as possible.

We purchased an ozonator.

We do have lead and copper pipes and I have heard that there is a way to attach

magnets to the water pipes to capture/or detoxify any leached copper. Could

anyone explain this to me?

As well, I would appreciate any assistance/advise that you can offer.

Ken Bagwell <kenancy2000@...> wrote:

Karyn,

Me, too. And by the way, sorry to hear this news.

Perhaps if your living friend is willing to listen, perhaps you could

invite other cancer survivors sucessful in the protocols to

come visit your friend as a support for your position. Sometimes the

fact that one is the only person speaking for their side makes one

unimpressive. Also, as time goes on and what seems inevitable is

nearing the shore, people's minds can change. I remember Hulda

said in a video that she has seen people get well again within 3

weeks of their doctor's death sentence.

If you are a believer, you might also want to share the gospel with

this friend of yours. It can be very comforting for some.

-Ken Bagwell

> >

> >

> > A common sense proof that Hulda does not have a cure for

> cancer.

> >

> > http://no-cancer-cure.tripod.com/

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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, thank you for your comments and the info on the water filters....I will

check into whether or not they filter out copper.

My husband was very tired yesterday from taking all the concoctions he

took.....I did not think he would want to try again today.....but he got up this

am and decided to give it another try, fortunately today is a lesser dose day.

His energy level seems to be back to normal this morning....... Hopefully he

will still be keen for the high dose day tomorrow.

Karyn Witzel <witzelk@...> wrote:

Hi, there,

I don't really know what else to recommend to you - it sounds like you are doing

everything that you need to do. You have the book and it seems like you are

following it pretty strictly. Doing the saliva testing is also key - it can

really help you to target things that you need to remove.

I really just wanted to add some moral support - I know how difficult the

program can be to follow. Taking all of those pills every day was really hard.

The book recommends that you open up all of the pills and mix the powder into

your food but I personally found that even harder. There is no amount of food

that can absorb all of that powder - at least not that can be eaten by a single

person. The glutathione in particular made me very nauseous. I'm sure it must

be even more difficult for your husband due to the nature of his cancer.

One thing I will mention regarding water - I don't know about the magnets but

you can at least get a good filter for your drinking water. There is one

available www.shrc.net, you can buy the pitcher and the filters that fit them.

Also, the herbs in the bowel cleanse might also be helpful - turmeric and

fennel. The ozonated oil is also especially important because zapping will not

get the parasites that are in the bowels, etc.

Good luck,

Karyn

sahuri Donna <whatsahuri@...> wrote:

I am somewhat new to this whole Dr. program.

My husband has been diagnosed with colon cancer that has spread to his liver.

I heard about Dr. 's cure from a man that we met in the hospital.....He

actually lent me his copy of 'The Cure for All Cancer'.

After I read this book I decided what have we got to lose to give this a try and

immediately began the Parasite Cleanse and Zapping.

My husband had surgery to remove the cancer from his colon before I had heard

about this book. He was recovering from the colonectomy when an e.coli

infection (from the surgery) set it and set him back 35 lbs.

It has now been a month since the clean up from the infection (which was another

surgery - as they reopened the original incision and did an abdominal wash).

We started the Parasite Cleans and Zapping about Sept. 19th. On Oct 6th our

oncologist advised that he has between 6 - 21 months as his cancer is in Stage

IV.

We began a version of the 21 day cure, applying what elements we thought

pertanent. Since starting this program he has not put much of the weight he

lost from the surgery back on, but his coloring, appetite and energy level has

improved.

Today he started the shrinking of the tumor portion of this 21 day

program......he is having difficulty swallowing all the concoctions, his throat

is sore, and he is very tired........We have decided to stop these increased

quantities of herbs and vitamins until we get more direction.

We have sent a Saliva sample off for testing and I do have a copy of a blood

test from a few days ago......Can anyone give us some assistance?

I should also mention that I am practicing the sterilization of his food and

have tried to rid the house of as many possible sources of toxins as possible.

We purchased an ozonator.

We do have lead and copper pipes and I have heard that there is a way to attach

magnets to the water pipes to capture/or detoxify any leached copper. Could

anyone explain this to me?

As well, I would appreciate any assistance/advise that you can offer.

Ken Bagwell <kenancy2000@...> wrote:

Karyn,

Me, too. And by the way, sorry to hear this news.

Perhaps if your living friend is willing to listen, perhaps you could

invite other cancer survivors sucessful in the protocols to

come visit your friend as a support for your position. Sometimes the

fact that one is the only person speaking for their side makes one

unimpressive. Also, as time goes on and what seems inevitable is

nearing the shore, people's minds can change. I remember Hulda

said in a video that she has seen people get well again within 3

weeks of their doctor's death sentence.

If you are a believer, you might also want to share the gospel with

this friend of yours. It can be very comforting for some.

-Ken Bagwell

> >

> >

> > A common sense proof that Hulda does not have a cure for

> cancer.

> >

> > http://no-cancer-cure.tripod.com/

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Tell him to hang in there and take it at his own pace. I remember one of the

things it said in the book was if you were not able to find all of the things on

the program to take as much as you could - I'm sure the same applies to just

taking whatever your body can handle. He's still moving in the right direction.

I hope your husband continues to improve. Good luck,

Karyn

sahuri Donna <whatsahuri@...> wrote:

, thank you for your comments and the info on the water filters....I will

check into whether or not they filter out copper.

My husband was very tired yesterday from taking all the concoctions he

took.....I did not think he would want to try again today.....but he got up this

am and decided to give it another try, fortunately today is a lesser dose day.

His energy level seems to be back to normal this morning....... Hopefully he

will still be keen for the high dose day tomorrow.

Karyn Witzel <witzelk@...> wrote:

Hi, there,

I don't really know what else to recommend to you - it sounds like you are doing

everything that you need to do. You have the book and it seems like you are

following it pretty strictly. Doing the saliva testing is also key - it can

really help you to target things that you need to remove.

I really just wanted to add some moral support - I know how difficult the

program can be to follow. Taking all of those pills every day was really hard.

The book recommends that you open up all of the pills and mix the powder into

your food but I personally found that even harder. There is no amount of food

that can absorb all of that powder - at least not that can be eaten by a single

person. The glutathione in particular made me very nauseous. I'm sure it must

be even more difficult for your husband due to the nature of his cancer.

One thing I will mention regarding water - I don't know about the magnets but

you can at least get a good filter for your drinking water. There is one

available www.shrc.net, you can buy the pitcher and the filters that fit them.

Also, the herbs in the bowel cleanse might also be helpful - turmeric and

fennel. The ozonated oil is also especially important because zapping will not

get the parasites that are in the bowels, etc.

Good luck,

Karyn

sahuri Donna <whatsahuri@...> wrote:

I am somewhat new to this whole Dr. program.

My husband has been diagnosed with colon cancer that has spread to his liver.

I heard about Dr. 's cure from a man that we met in the hospital.....He

actually lent me his copy of 'The Cure for All Cancer'.

After I read this book I decided what have we got to lose to give this a try and

immediately began the Parasite Cleanse and Zapping.

My husband had surgery to remove the cancer from his colon before I had heard

about this book. He was recovering from the colonectomy when an e.coli

infection (from the surgery) set it and set him back 35 lbs.

It has now been a month since the clean up from the infection (which was another

surgery - as they reopened the original incision and did an abdominal wash).

We started the Parasite Cleans and Zapping about Sept. 19th. On Oct 6th our

oncologist advised that he has between 6 - 21 months as his cancer is in Stage

IV.

We began a version of the 21 day cure, applying what elements we thought

pertanent. Since starting this program he has not put much of the weight he

lost from the surgery back on, but his coloring, appetite and energy level has

improved.

Today he started the shrinking of the tumor portion of this 21 day

program......he is having difficulty swallowing all the concoctions, his throat

is sore, and he is very tired........We have decided to stop these increased

quantities of herbs and vitamins until we get more direction.

We have sent a Saliva sample off for testing and I do have a copy of a blood

test from a few days ago......Can anyone give us some assistance?

I should also mention that I am practicing the sterilization of his food and

have tried to rid the house of as many possible sources of toxins as possible.

We purchased an ozonator.

We do have lead and copper pipes and I have heard that there is a way to attach

magnets to the water pipes to capture/or detoxify any leached copper. Could

anyone explain this to me?

As well, I would appreciate any assistance/advise that you can offer.

Ken Bagwell <kenancy2000@...> wrote:

Karyn,

Me, too. And by the way, sorry to hear this news.

Perhaps if your living friend is willing to listen, perhaps you could

invite other cancer survivors sucessful in the protocols to

come visit your friend as a support for your position. Sometimes the

fact that one is the only person speaking for their side makes one

unimpressive. Also, as time goes on and what seems inevitable is

nearing the shore, people's minds can change. I remember Hulda

said in a video that she has seen people get well again within 3

weeks of their doctor's death sentence.

If you are a believer, you might also want to share the gospel with

this friend of yours. It can be very comforting for some.

-Ken Bagwell

> >

> >

> > A common sense proof that Hulda does not have a cure for

> cancer.

> >

> > http://no-cancer-cure.tripod.com/

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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>>> I am not sure what to do. I am not sure I can get through this

bad > die off. I am so dizzy and tired it is unreal. Any help is

much> appreciated.

> > Amber

Amber,

I really understand. I'm right there with you. My SAD diet is

very, very hard to break away from. It's a vicious cycle, but I'm

hoping to spiral upward, even if its gradual. I've just started

this wagon train so all I can say is hang in there. Keep doing what

is right and avoid the bad.

Crystal

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Well, I am feeling better. Still a bit worried about how bad this

will get but I think I will try what you all suggested. I will take

some time off work and give my body time to adjust. Funny how the

obvious is so elusive until pointed out. I am following the handout

and have had nothing but broth for a day. Will start to add back

pureed foods today. Also doing enemas. What fun ;)

Will keep everyone updated.

Thanks again.

AMber

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Hey Patrolbase18 - after reading your saga, I'll give you my 2 cents worth - It

appears you, like several here, require higher doses of T to feel good -

unfortunately this is causing your body to convert these large doses to E2 which

counteracts the benefits of high T. This would require a medication like

arimidex. Talk with Phil - you two seem to have similar body chemistry.

Just a non-professional opinion - Arkansas

patrolbase18 <patrolbase18@...> wrote:

Help,

Guys IÕm really getting frustrated here. IÕm going to throw you a ton of test

results and IÕll

take all of the feedback you can give.

_______________________________

In the beginning I thought I was depressed. Felt like crap, no sexual urge,

tired all the

time, etc. My PCP saw the symptoms and ran the testosterone test right away.

IÕm 40 (started this at 39)

Benchmark test

Total T was 161 on the scale of 241-827

SHBG was 2.8 on a scale of 2.2-4.2* this is with no HRT

Treatment: go on the patch

Test results:

Total T was 272

SHBG was 8 on the quest scale of 7-50

Still felt bad

Next Treatment: Go on androgel

Test results:

Total T was 263

SHBG was 10 on the quest scale of 7-50

Still felt bad

Next Treatment: Go off HRT to reestablish baseline

Test results:

Total T was 135

SHBG was 10 on the quest scale of 7-50

I CRASHED! It was horrible.

Next Treatment: Go on androgel x 2 5mg per day AM/PM

Test results:

Total T was 818

SHBG was 9 on the quest scale of 7-50

Felt great but financially crippling.

Next Treatment: Go to injections (reason Ð androgel was too expensive)

10ml vial x 200mg per ml

1.5ml x 2 weeks = 240mg

Test results:

Total T was 524

Starting to feel worse but not bad.

Next Treatment: 1.5ml x 3 weeks = 300mg

Test results:

Total T was 249

Back to feeling bad.

Next Treatment: 1.5ml x 3 weeks = 300mg

Test results:

Total T was 125

Back to feeling horrible.

Next Treatment: 1.5ml x 2 weeks = 300mg

Test results:

Total T was 577

Starting to feel better.

Next Treatment: On my own initiative split my dose

..75ml x 1 weeks = 150mg

SHBG was 9 on quest scale of 7-50

Test results:

Total T was 900

Felt good but not quite there yet.

Doc now wanted me off the meds and on anti-depressents. I FIRED HIM!

NEW DOC

Next Treatment: .75ml x 1 weeks = 150mg

SHBG was 2.8 on scale of 2.3-4.2

Test results:

Total T was 953

Felt good but not quite there yet. Started exhibiting leg pain and aches. RBC,

WBC, HGB,

HCT are now on the high side. First time tested.

Next Treatment: .6ml x 1 weeks = 120mg

Test results:

Total T was 393

Starting to fall down the mountain again. Still exhibiting leg pain and aches.

RBC, WBC,

HGB, HCT are still on the high side and virtually unchanged.

Did the first estradiol test: without taking dim 57.2 on a scale of 7.6-42

Other tests:

Prolactin is good

Thyroid is good.

Kidney and liver functions are good.

FSH runs low

LH is on mid range to high side

DHEA is good.

I struggled with trying to get estradiol managed without testing. Struggled with

it being

too high and too low. Half a pill has no effect Ð 1 pill turns me off.

Next Treatment: .4ml x 1 week = 75mg

Results?????

_________________________________________________

I just want to feel better. ItÕs no wonder we get misdiagnosed with depression!

Other than DIM, IÕm not taking anything else.

Speak, all who know!!

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One more question for all:

What meds do I take or what changes need to be made to reduce my blood counts

due to the testosterone injections?

Lee

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote:

Hey Patrolbase18 - after reading your saga, I'll give you my 2 cents worth - It

appears you, like several here, require higher doses of T to feel good -

unfortunately this is causing your body to convert these large doses to E2 which

counteracts the benefits of high T. This would require a medication like

arimidex. Talk with Phil - you two seem to have similar body chemistry.

Just a non-professional opinion - Arkansas

patrolbase18 <patrolbase18@...> wrote:

Help,

Guys IÕm really getting frustrated here. IÕm going to throw you a ton of test

results and IÕll

take all of the feedback you can give.

_______________________________

In the beginning I thought I was depressed. Felt like crap, no sexual urge,

tired all the

time, etc. My PCP saw the symptoms and ran the testosterone test right away.

IÕm 40 (started this at 39)

Benchmark test

Total T was 161 on the scale of 241-827

SHBG was 2.8 on a scale of 2.2-4.2* this is with no HRT

Treatment: go on the patch

Test results:

Total T was 272

SHBG was 8 on the quest scale of 7-50

Still felt bad

Next Treatment: Go on androgel

Test results:

Total T was 263

SHBG was 10 on the quest scale of 7-50

Still felt bad

Next Treatment: Go off HRT to reestablish baseline

Test results:

Total T was 135

SHBG was 10 on the quest scale of 7-50

I CRASHED! It was horrible.

Next Treatment: Go on androgel x 2 5mg per day AM/PM

Test results:

Total T was 818

SHBG was 9 on the quest scale of 7-50

Felt great but financially crippling.

Next Treatment: Go to injections (reason Ð androgel was too expensive)

10ml vial x 200mg per ml

1.5ml x 2 weeks = 240mg

Test results:

Total T was 524

Starting to feel worse but not bad.

Next Treatment: 1.5ml x 3 weeks = 300mg

Test results:

Total T was 249

Back to feeling bad.

Next Treatment: 1.5ml x 3 weeks = 300mg

Test results:

Total T was 125

Back to feeling horrible.

Next Treatment: 1.5ml x 2 weeks = 300mg

Test results:

Total T was 577

Starting to feel better.

Next Treatment: On my own initiative split my dose

..75ml x 1 weeks = 150mg

SHBG was 9 on quest scale of 7-50

Test results:

Total T was 900

Felt good but not quite there yet.

Doc now wanted me off the meds and on anti-depressents. I FIRED HIM!

NEW DOC

Next Treatment: .75ml x 1 weeks = 150mg

SHBG was 2.8 on scale of 2.3-4.2

Test results:

Total T was 953

Felt good but not quite there yet. Started exhibiting leg pain and aches. RBC,

WBC, HGB,

HCT are now on the high side. First time tested.

Next Treatment: .6ml x 1 weeks = 120mg

Test results:

Total T was 393

Starting to fall down the mountain again. Still exhibiting leg pain and aches.

RBC, WBC,

HGB, HCT are still on the high side and virtually unchanged.

Did the first estradiol test: without taking dim 57.2 on a scale of 7.6-42

Other tests:

Prolactin is good

Thyroid is good.

Kidney and liver functions are good.

FSH runs low

LH is on mid range to high side

DHEA is good.

I struggled with trying to get estradiol managed without testing. Struggled with

it being

too high and too low. Half a pill has no effect Ð 1 pill turns me off.

Next Treatment: .4ml x 1 week = 75mg

Results?????

_________________________________________________

I just want to feel better. ItÕs no wonder we get misdiagnosed with depression!

Other than DIM, IÕm not taking anything else.

Speak, all who know!!

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I wish I could help, I just don't know enough abou it. Seems

that dealing with blood count problems takes a TRT specialist to

figure out. Perhaps changing your TRT meds would help. Did you

have that problem on Gels? You said that Gels are too expensive,

have you looked in to compounded gels from a compound pharmacy? I

hear they're A LOT less expensive and if you find a good pharmacy

they could be just as effective as Androgel.

Other than that you may have to get to a specialist that knows about

dealing with blood count problems related to TRT. Hopefully someone

on this board has dealt with that issue before.

> Help,

>

> Guys IÕm really getting frustrated here. IÕm going to throw

you a

ton of test results and IÕll

> take all of the feedback you can give.

>

> _______________________________

>

> In the beginning I thought I was depressed. Felt like crap, no

sexual urge, tired all the

> time, etc. My PCP saw the symptoms and ran the testosterone test

right away.

>

> IÕm 40 (started this at 39)

>

> Benchmark test

> Total T was 161 on the scale of 241-827

> SHBG was 2.8 on a scale of 2.2-4.2* this is with no HRT

>

> Treatment: go on the patch

>

> Test results:

> Total T was 272

> SHBG was 8 on the quest scale of 7-50

> Still felt bad

>

>

> Next Treatment: Go on androgel

>

> Test results:

> Total T was 263

> SHBG was 10 on the quest scale of 7-50

> Still felt bad

>

> Next Treatment: Go off HRT to reestablish baseline

>

> Test results:

> Total T was 135

> SHBG was 10 on the quest scale of 7-50

> I CRASHED! It was horrible.

>

>

> Next Treatment: Go on androgel x 2 5mg per day AM/PM

>

> Test results:

> Total T was 818

> SHBG was 9 on the quest scale of 7-50

> Felt great but financially crippling.

>

> Next Treatment: Go to injections (reason Ð androgel was too

expensive)

> 10ml vial x 200mg per ml

> 1.5ml x 2 weeks = 240mg

>

> Test results:

> Total T was 524

> Starting to feel worse but not bad.

>

> Next Treatment: 1.5ml x 3 weeks = 300mg

>

> Test results:

> Total T was 249

> Back to feeling bad.

>

> Next Treatment: 1.5ml x 3 weeks = 300mg

>

> Test results:

> Total T was 125

> Back to feeling horrible.

>

> Next Treatment: 1.5ml x 2 weeks = 300mg

>

> Test results:

> Total T was 577

> Starting to feel better.

>

> Next Treatment: On my own initiative split my dose

> .75ml x 1 weeks = 150mg

> SHBG was 9 on quest scale of 7-50

>

> Test results:

> Total T was 900

> Felt good but not quite there yet.

>

> Doc now wanted me off the meds and on anti-depressents. I FIRED

HIM!

>

> NEW DOC

>

> Next Treatment: .75ml x 1 weeks = 150mg

> SHBG was 2.8 on scale of 2.3-4.2

>

> Test results:

> Total T was 953

> Felt good but not quite there yet. Started exhibiting leg pain and

aches. RBC, WBC, HGB,

> HCT are now on the high side. First time tested.

>

> Next Treatment: .6ml x 1 weeks = 120mg

>

> Test results:

> Total T was 393

> Starting to fall down the mountain again. Still exhibiting leg

pain and aches. RBC, WBC,

> HGB, HCT are still on the high side and virtually unchanged.

> Did the first estradiol test: without taking dim 57.2 on a scale

of 7.6-42

>

> Other tests:

> Prolactin is good

> Thyroid is good.

> Kidney and liver functions are good.

> FSH runs low

> LH is on mid range to high side

> DHEA is good.

>

> I struggled with trying to get estradiol managed without testing.

Struggled with it being

> too high and too low. Half a pill has no effect Ð 1 pill turns

me

off.

>

> Next Treatment: .4ml x 1 week = 75mg

>

> Results?????

> _________________________________________________

>

> I just want to feel better. ItÕs no wonder we get misdiagnosed

with depression!

>

> Other than DIM, IÕm not taking anything else.

>

> Speak, all who know!!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I feel your pain is from your levels being to low for too long. Your joints and

muscles break down. Getting your Total and Free T levels up and keeping them up

will repair the damage done. At least it did for me stay on the shots but my

Dr. gives me 150 mgs. of Depo T every week and the syringe he uses is in mL's

and he gives me one and a half mL's to = 150 mgs. You need to do your shots

every week. I am not sure if your dose is right here is what you posted. " Next

Treatment: On my own initiative split my dose

..75ml x 1 weeks = 150mg " .75ml = 75 mgs. on the syringe I use. I do get this

mixed up so I could be wrong. But the bottom line is to do your shots every

week. What are you using for DIM I use Indolpoex/DIM. I first got my E2

Estradiol down using Arimidex but to keep it down it is to strong. I was going

to low taking 1/4 of a one mg. pill every 5 days. So when I started on

Indoplex/DIM my E2 was normal I was on it a week and the first thing that

happened to me was I got my morning wood back for the first time in over 35 yrs.

Z was the guy that told me about Indolplex/DIM this brand.

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

And he told me I would get morning wood back and to use this as a gauge to keep

from going to low. He said if the wood stops stop the Indolplex/DIM until the

wood comes back that go back on it but take half keep doing this until you get

the right dose. I have been doing this for some time and it works. I have to

keep adjusting my dose making it stronger or weaker. But doing this works for

me and a lot of other men.

I also take Zinc/Copper.

http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html

I have just started using TMG to keep the Total E down and will know if it works

next Tue. when I see my Dr. and go over my blood tests.

http://www.myvitanet.com/tmgtr75120ca.html

I also take Maca 1/2 a tsp. 2 times a day. This helps with my libido and keeps

my hormones leveled off. I buy it by the KG.

http://macaweb.com/

I am also doing HCG 500 IU's 3 times a week and this doubled my T levels so now

I feel the best I ever felt in the 21 yrs. on TRT.

Phil

patrolbase18 <patrolbase18@...> wrote:Help,

Guys IÕm really getting frustrated here. IÕm going to throw you a ton of test

results and IÕll

take all of the feedback you can give.

_______________________________

In the beginning I thought I was depressed. Felt like crap, no sexual urge,

tired all the

time, etc. My PCP saw the symptoms and ran the testosterone test right away.

IÕm 40 (started this at 39)

Benchmark test

Total T was 161 on the scale of 241-827

SHBG was 2.8 on a scale of 2.2-4.2* this is with no HRT

Treatment: go on the patch

Test results:

Total T was 272

SHBG was 8 on the quest scale of 7-50

Still felt bad

Next Treatment: Go on androgel

Test results:

Total T was 263

SHBG was 10 on the quest scale of 7-50

Still felt bad

Next Treatment: Go off HRT to reestablish baseline

Test results:

Total T was 135

SHBG was 10 on the quest scale of 7-50

I CRASHED! It was horrible.

Next Treatment: Go on androgel x 2 5mg per day AM/PM

Test results:

Total T was 818

SHBG was 9 on the quest scale of 7-50

Felt great but financially crippling.

Next Treatment: Go to injections (reason Ð androgel was too expensive)

10ml vial x 200mg per ml

1.5ml x 2 weeks = 240mg

Test results:

Total T was 524

Starting to feel worse but not bad.

Next Treatment: 1.5ml x 3 weeks = 300mg

Test results:

Total T was 249

Back to feeling bad.

Next Treatment: 1.5ml x 3 weeks = 300mg

Test results:

Total T was 125

Back to feeling horrible.

Next Treatment: 1.5ml x 2 weeks = 300mg

Test results:

Total T was 577

Starting to feel better.

Next Treatment: On my own initiative split my dose

..75ml x 1 weeks = 150mg

SHBG was 9 on quest scale of 7-50

Test results:

Total T was 900

Felt good but not quite there yet.

Doc now wanted me off the meds and on anti-depressents. I FIRED HIM!

NEW DOC

Next Treatment: .75ml x 1 weeks = 150mg

SHBG was 2.8 on scale of 2.3-4.2

Test results:

Total T was 953

Felt good but not quite there yet. Started exhibiting leg pain and aches. RBC,

WBC, HGB,

HCT are now on the high side. First time tested.

Next Treatment: .6ml x 1 weeks = 120mg

Test results:

Total T was 393

Starting to fall down the mountain again. Still exhibiting leg pain and aches.

RBC, WBC,

HGB, HCT are still on the high side and virtually unchanged.

Did the first estradiol test: without taking dim 57.2 on a scale of 7.6-42

Other tests:

Prolactin is good

Thyroid is good.

Kidney and liver functions are good.

FSH runs low

LH is on mid range to high side

DHEA is good.

I struggled with trying to get estradiol managed without testing. Struggled with

it being

too high and too low. Half a pill has no effect Ð 1 pill turns me off.

Next Treatment: .4ml x 1 week = 75mg

Results?????

_________________________________________________

I just want to feel better. ItÕs no wonder we get misdiagnosed with depression!

Other than DIM, IÕm not taking anything else.

Speak, all who know!!

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Give blood once a month to the Red Cross.

Phil

lee d <patrolbase18@...> wrote:

One more question for all:

What meds do I take or what changes need to be made to reduce my blood counts

due to the testosterone injections?

Lee

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote:

Hey Patrolbase18 - after reading your saga, I'll give you my 2 cents worth - It

appears you, like several here, require higher doses of T to feel good -

unfortunately this is causing your body to convert these large doses to E2 which

counteracts the benefits of high T. This would require a medication like

arimidex. Talk with Phil - you two seem to have similar body chemistry.

Just a non-professional opinion - Arkansas

patrolbase18 <patrolbase18@...> wrote:

Help,

Guys IÕm really getting frustrated here. IÕm going to throw you a ton of test

results and IÕll

take all of the feedback you can give.

_______________________________

In the beginning I thought I was depressed. Felt like crap, no sexual urge,

tired all the

time, etc. My PCP saw the symptoms and ran the testosterone test right away.

IÕm 40 (started this at 39)

Benchmark test

Total T was 161 on the scale of 241-827

SHBG was 2.8 on a scale of 2.2-4.2* this is with no HRT

Treatment: go on the patch

Test results:

Total T was 272

SHBG was 8 on the quest scale of 7-50

Still felt bad

Next Treatment: Go on androgel

Test results:

Total T was 263

SHBG was 10 on the quest scale of 7-50

Still felt bad

Next Treatment: Go off HRT to reestablish baseline

Test results:

Total T was 135

SHBG was 10 on the quest scale of 7-50

I CRASHED! It was horrible.

Next Treatment: Go on androgel x 2 5mg per day AM/PM

Test results:

Total T was 818

SHBG was 9 on the quest scale of 7-50

Felt great but financially crippling.

Next Treatment: Go to injections (reason Ð androgel was too expensive)

10ml vial x 200mg per ml

1.5ml x 2 weeks = 240mg

Test results:

Total T was 524

Starting to feel worse but not bad.

Next Treatment: 1.5ml x 3 weeks = 300mg

Test results:

Total T was 249

Back to feeling bad.

Next Treatment: 1.5ml x 3 weeks = 300mg

Test results:

Total T was 125

Back to feeling horrible.

Next Treatment: 1.5ml x 2 weeks = 300mg

Test results:

Total T was 577

Starting to feel better.

Next Treatment: On my own initiative split my dose

..75ml x 1 weeks = 150mg

SHBG was 9 on quest scale of 7-50

Test results:

Total T was 900

Felt good but not quite there yet.

Doc now wanted me off the meds and on anti-depressents. I FIRED HIM!

NEW DOC

Next Treatment: .75ml x 1 weeks = 150mg

SHBG was 2.8 on scale of 2.3-4.2

Test results:

Total T was 953

Felt good but not quite there yet. Started exhibiting leg pain and aches. RBC,

WBC, HGB,

HCT are now on the high side. First time tested.

Next Treatment: .6ml x 1 weeks = 120mg

Test results:

Total T was 393

Starting to fall down the mountain again. Still exhibiting leg pain and aches.

RBC, WBC,

HGB, HCT are still on the high side and virtually unchanged.

Did the first estradiol test: without taking dim 57.2 on a scale of 7.6-42

Other tests:

Prolactin is good

Thyroid is good.

Kidney and liver functions are good.

FSH runs low

LH is on mid range to high side

DHEA is good.

I struggled with trying to get estradiol managed without testing. Struggled with

it being

too high and too low. Half a pill has no effect Ð 1 pill turns me off.

Next Treatment: .4ml x 1 week = 75mg

Results?????

_________________________________________________

I just want to feel better. ItÕs no wonder we get misdiagnosed with depression!

Other than DIM, IÕm not taking anything else.

Speak, all who know!!

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Just give blood - it fixes te problem and helps out someone in need at

the same time!

Regards,

Louis

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> Subject: Re: need some help

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> One more question for all:

>

> What meds do I take or what changes need to be made to reduce my blood counts

due to the testosterone injections?

>

> Lee

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I have to give every two months to the red cross but having a shot every

week at a lower rate has help a lot.

Lynn

ps I have been doing this for years.

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I think you can reduce as much as you want to the point where you are

dealing with it better & then work up from there.

Pam

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> Hello -

>

> I just started the protocol and had an almost unbearable herx. I was

> using samento in place of cats claw, 5 drops 3x/day. Can I reduce

> the dose? Best course of action?????

>

> melissa

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My whole family of 8 plus a relative takes Samento. The first few weeks

were rough, but now I take 16 drops twice a day in water and I have no herxing

at all left. But, the first few weeks were very rough. No else has any more

die-off. Its just those first few weeks, but some did get a runny nose for

about 6 weeks.

Heidi N

Hello -

I just started the protocol and had an almost unbearable herx. I was

using samento in place of cats claw, 5 drops 3x/day. Can I reduce

the dose? Best course of action?????

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i have had the exact opposite with Samento.

When I started life was beautiful almost immediatly again.

For about 2 months.

Then all horror again, started herxing everyday for 2 months, didnt matter what

i did.

Cut all the way back to 2 drops a day from 7-8 drops a day.

Finally stopped 2 weeks ago,my neck was hurting so bad I had to stop.

Now I am running again 5 days a week and seem to feel alot better.

I am thinking about gradually starting a drop or 2 a day and see what happens.

I have also started taking Sam-E again it has been a wonder drug for me in the

past for my aches and pains and also helps my mood alot.

The problem is I live in Peru now and it cost me an arm and a leg to get

anything shipped here

Doug kson

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Subject: [ ] Re:Need some help

Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 6:03 PM

:

My whole family of 8 plus a relative takes Samento. The first few weeks

were rough, but now I take 16 drops twice a day in water and I have no herxing

at all left. But, the first few weeks were very rough. No else has any more

die-off. Its just those first few weeks, but some did get a runny nose for

about 6 weeks.

Heidi N

Hello -

I just started the protocol and had an almost unbearable herx. I was

using samento in place of cats claw, 5 drops 3x/day. Can I reduce

the dose? Best course of action?????

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Thanks for letting me know that Heidi. I am holding at 2 drops 3x a

day and drinking a ton of antidiarreal. I hope it gets better

>

> :

>

> My whole family of 8 plus a relative takes Samento. The first

few weeks

> were rough, but now I take 16 drops twice a day in water and I

have no herxing

> at all left. But, the first few weeks were very rough. No else

has any more

> die-off. Its just those first few weeks, but some did get a

runny nose for

> about 6 weeks.

>

> Heidi N

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What brand of samento are you using please?

Thanks

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Thanks for letting me know that Heidi. I am holding at 2 drops 3x a

day and drinking a ton of antidiarreal. I hope it gets better

>

> :

>

> My whole family of 8 plus a relative takes Samento. The first

few weeks

> were rough, but now I take 16 drops twice a day in water and I

have no herxing

> at all left. But, the first few weeks were very rough. No else

has any more

> die-off. Its just those first few weeks, but some did get a

runny nose for

> about 6 weeks.

>

> Heidi N

>

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