Need Some Help

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I am using Nutramedix.

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> > My whole family of 8 plus a relative takes Samento. The first

> few weeks

> > were rough, but now I take 16 drops twice a day in water and I

> have no herxing

> > at all left. But, the first few weeks were very rough. No else

> has any more

> > die-off. Its just those first few weeks, but some did get a

> runny nose for

> > about 6 weeks.

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> > Heidi N

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Doug:

There was a return of symptoms for a few of us. They were mild in

comparison to the initial die-off. I just figured some of the other pathogens

had

been killed and now the Samento was working on the lyme. The lyme is the hard

one to deal with from die-off since lyme coats itself in heavy metals, yeast,

etc. Are you doing anything for die-off?

Heidi N

i have had the exact opposite with Samento.

When I started life was beautiful almost immediatly again.

For about 2 months.

Then all horror again, started herxing everyday for 2 months, didnt matter

what i did.

Cut all the way back to 2 drops a day from 7-8 drops a day.

Finally stopped 2 weeks ago,my neck was hurting so bad I had to stop.

Now I am running again 5 days a week and seem to feel alot better.

I am thinking about gradually starting a drop or 2 a day and see what

happens.

I have also started taking Sam-E again it has been a wonder drug for me in

the past for my aches and pains and also helps my mood alot.

The problem is I live in Peru now and it cost me an arm and a leg to get

anything shipped here

Doug kson

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Only one company makes it, Nutramedix. I get mine from _www.myherbs.net_

(http://www.myherbs.net) They sell things to lymies all the time, and you

can

call them and talk to them. They are very informative.

Heidi N

What brand of samento are you using please?

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nutrimedix

> >

> > :

> >

> > My whole family of 8 plus a relative takes Samento. The first

> few weeks

> > were rough, but now I take 16 drops twice a day in water and I

> have no herxing

> > at all left. But, the first few weeks were very rough. No else

> has any more

> > die-off. Its just those first few weeks, but some did get a

> runny nose for

> > about 6 weeks.

> >

> > Heidi N

> >

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>

[Guest guest]

Hi Doug,

I just have a suggestion. I know that a lot of good medicinal herbs

are to be found in South America including Peru (the home of Maca).

Any chance you could locate a local herbalist (one who has a good

reputation as a healer) and/or herbs you need right there, maybe even

fresh or dried herbs? I expect there are a lot of good herbs to be

found in the local open air produce markets at a much reduced cost to

you. Just a thought.

There are books which can guide you to making your own herbals and

take the mystery out of it all.

Best,

>

> i have had the exact opposite with Samento.

> When I started life was beautiful almost immediatly again.

> For about 2 months.

> Then all horror again, started herxing everyday for 2 months, didnt

matter what i did.

> Cut all the way back to 2 drops a day from 7-8 drops a day.

> Finally stopped 2 weeks ago,my neck was hurting so bad I had to stop.

> Now I am running again 5 days a week and seem to feel alot better.

> I am thinking about gradually starting a drop or 2 a day and see

what happens.

> I have also started taking Sam-E again it has been a wonder drug for

me in the past for my aches and pains and also helps my mood alot.

> The problem is I live in Peru now and it cost me an arm and a leg to

get anything shipped here

> Doug kson

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Heidi - Appreciate it. Just glancing around, their prices seem much

better than Nutramedix. Would you say that a bottle lasts approximately a month

for 1 person?

Barbara

[ ] Re: Need some help

Only one company makes it, Nutramedix. I get mine from _www.myherbs.net_

(http://www.myherbs.net) They sell things to lymies all the time, and you can

call them and talk to them. They are very informative.

Heidi N

What brand of samento are you using please?

Thanks

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Hi,

Heidi,thanks for the reply,what do you recommend that I take for the die off.

Does it lessen the herx ?

The only 2 things I was taking was Noni and Samento.

And like i said it was great for about 2 months and then all off a sudden I felt

terrible everyday,until I stopped taking it.

Also here in Peru no one knows about Lyme,much less speaks english

So any help is hard to come by.

Thanks for your'e help,

Doug

From: Ambitionn01@... <Ambitionn01@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Need some help

Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:41 AM

Doug:

There was a return of symptoms for a few of us. They were mild in

comparison to the initial die-off. I just figured some of the other pathogens

had

been killed and now the Samento was working on the lyme. The lyme is the hard

one to deal with from die-off since lyme coats itself in heavy metals, yeast,

etc. Are you doing anything for die-off?

Heidi N

i have had the exact opposite with Samento.

When I started life was beautiful almost immediatly again.

For about 2 months.

Then all horror again, started herxing everyday for 2 months, didnt matter

what i did.

Cut all the way back to 2 drops a day from 7-8 drops a day.

Finally stopped 2 weeks ago,my neck was hurting so bad I had to stop.

Now I am running again 5 days a week and seem to feel alot better.

I am thinking about gradually starting a drop or 2 a day and see what

happens.

I have also started taking Sam-E again it has been a wonder drug for me in

the past for my aches and pains and also helps my mood alot.

The problem is I live in Peru now and it cost me an arm and a leg to get

anything shipped here

Doug kson

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Hi Doug - I just read you're in Peru. I have read that 2% of Peru's

agricultural workers have Lyme, tho I don't recall the info source. - Robin

In a message dated 7/17/2008 1:07:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

dericks3@... writes:

Hi,

Heidi,thanks for the reply,what do you recommend that I take for the die off.

Does it lessen the herx ?

The only 2 things I was taking was Noni and Samento.

And like i said it was great for about 2 months and then all off a sudden I

felt terrible everyday,until I stopped taking it.

Also here in Peru no one knows about Lyme,much less speaks english

So any help is hard to come by.

Thanks for your'e help,

Doug

From: _Ambitionn01@Ambitio_ (mailto:Ambitionn01@...)

<_Ambitionn01@Ambitio_ (mailto:Ambitionn01@...) >

Subject: [ ] Re: Need some help

_ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_

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Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:41 AM

Doug:

There was a return of symptoms for a few of us. They were mild in

comparison to the initial die-off. I just figured some of the other

pathogens had

been killed and now the Samento was working on the lyme. The lyme is the

hard

one to deal with from die-off since lyme coats itself in heavy metals,

yeast,

etc. Are you doing anything for die-off?

Heidi N

i have had the exact opposite with Samento.

When I started life was beautiful almost immediatly again.

For about 2 months.

Then all horror again, started herxing everyday for 2 months, didnt matter

what i did.

Cut all the way back to 2 drops a day from 7-8 drops a day.

Finally stopped 2 weeks ago,my neck was hurting so bad I had to stop.

Now I am running again 5 days a week and seem to feel alot better.

I am thinking about gradually starting a drop or 2 a day and see what

happens.

I have also started taking Sam-E again it has been a wonder drug for me in

the past for my aches and pains and also helps my mood alot.

The problem is I live in Peru now and it cost me an arm and a leg to get

anything shipped here

Doug kson

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Oops, I just saw Heidi answered you already and said almost the same

thing I posted. NutraMedix's is the main producer, but I will also

note that Klinghardt had (and may still have) his " BioPure energy

modulated PC-Samento " .

I find that one bottle lasts about a month. I usally ramp up to 15-

20 drops (2 times a day) for the first 12.5 days and then take 1.5

days off. Then 12.5 days at 15-20 drops (2 times a day). I get in 2

cycles per bottle. Sometimes I have a bit left over if I ramp up

slowly. The bottle says it has 60 servings at the serving size of 10

drops.

Take care,

Rich (skiweasel7)

>

> Thanks Heidi - Appreciate it. Just glancing around, their prices

seem much better than Nutramedix. Would you say that a bottle lasts

approximately a month for 1 person?

>

> Barbara

>

>

> [ ] Re: Need some help

>

>

> Only one company makes it, Nutramedix. I get mine from

_www.myherbs.net_

> (http://www.myherbs.net) They sell things to lymies all the time,

and you can

> call them and talk to them. They are very informative.

>

> Heidi N

>

>

>

> What brand of samento are you using please?

>

> Thanks

>

> **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Really?,no one seems to know what it is in the city!

Not many deer running around the city streets I guess

From: sfrobink@... <sfrobink@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Need some help

Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 4:20 PM

Hi Doug - I just read you're in Peru. I have read that 2% of Peru's

agricultural workers have Lyme, tho I don't recall the info source. - Robin

[Guest guest]

Doug,

I guess you have heard of this disease, living in South America? The

progression of it sounds very similar to Lyme, and the Red Cross is

supposedly aware of it for blood donations. I have wondered if the Red

Cross is equally award of Lyme? Does anyone know?

*Chagas' disease* (also called /*American trypanosomiasis*/) is a human

tropical <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_disease> parasitic

disease <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitic_disease> which occurs in

the Americas <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Americas>, particularly

in South America <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America>. Its

pathogenic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathogen> agent

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_%28biology%29> is a flagellate

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellate> protozoan

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protozoa> named /Trypanosoma cruzi

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trypanosoma_cruzi>/, which is transmitted

to humans and other mammals <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammal> mostly

by blood-sucking <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hematophagy> assassin

bugs <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassin_bug> of the subfamily

Triatominae <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triatominae> (Family

Reduviidae <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduviidae>). Those insects are

known by numerous common names varying by country, including benchuca,

vinchuca, kissing bug, chipo, pito, chupança, chinchorro, and barbeiro.

The most common insect species belong to the genera /Triatoma

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triatoma>/, /Rhodnius

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodnius>/, and /Panstrongylus

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panstrongylus>/. However, other methods of

transmission are possible, such as ingestion of food contaminated with

parasites <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasite>, blood transfusion

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_transfusion> and fetal

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus> transmission.

The symptoms of Chagas' disease vary over the course of the infection.

In the early, acute stage symptoms are mild and are usually no more than

local swelling at the site of infection. As the disease progresses, over

as much as twenty years, the serious chronic symptoms appear, such as

heart disease and malformation of the intestines. If untreated, the

chronic disease is often fatal. Current drug treatments for this disease

are generally unsatisfactory, with the available drugs being highly

toxic and often ineffective, particularly in the chronic stage of the

disease.

Cathleen

baidanwu34 wrote:

>

> Hi Doug,

>

> I just have a suggestion. I know that a lot of good medicinal herbs

> are to be found in South America including Peru (the home of Maca).

> Any chance you could locate a local herbalist (one who has a good

> reputation as a healer) and/or herbs you need right there, maybe even

> fresh or dried herbs? I expect there are a lot of good herbs to be

> found in the local open air produce markets at a much reduced cost to

> you. Just a thought.

>

> There are books which can guide you to making your own herbals and

> take the mystery out of it all.

>

> Best,

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks,

,Samento comes from the jungle here in Peru,but no one sells it here.(go

figure)

I need to order it from the states if I want to get it.

Also the language barrier is very difficult here especially for this situation.

No one seems to know about lyme and most herbs have a different name in spanish.

I was going to try the salt/c protocal here,but no one has the sodium chloride

or sea salt here either.

I am going to Rio next week in Brazil to look around,maybe they will have some

herbs or at least the salt I am looking for.

Thanks,

Doug

From: baidanwu34 <baidanwu34@...>

Subject: [ ] Re:Need some help

Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:39 AM

Hi Doug,

I just have a suggestion. I know that a lot of good medicinal herbs

are to be found in South America including Peru (the home of Maca).

Any chance you could locate a local herbalist (one who has a good

reputation as a healer) and/or herbs you need right there, maybe even

fresh or dried herbs? I expect there are a lot of good herbs to be

found in the local open air produce markets at a much reduced cost to

you. Just a thought.

There are books which can guide you to making your own herbals and

take the mystery out of it all.

Best,

[Guest guest]

Barbara:

I think so. I have 8 in my family, and I think we go through 5 bottles a

month, or something like that.

Heidi N

Thanks Heidi - Appreciate it. Just glancing around, their prices seem much

better than Nutramedix. Would you say that a bottle lasts approximately a month

for 1 person?

Barbara

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Doug:

The amount of herbs coming out of Peru for lyme is so great, that I don't

know what we do without that country. They are definitely contributing to the

world's health. I take Burbur, but there are also many things that Buhner

talks about. Maybe someone can tell us about their experience with them. With

Burbur, you take it 20 minutes away from everything else and can take 10

drops every 10 minutes until feel better. I love it.

Heidi N

Hi,

Heidi,thanks for the reply,what do you recommend that I take for the die off.

Does it lessen the herx ?

The only 2 things I was taking was Noni and Samento.

And like i said it was great for about 2 months and then all off a sudden I

felt terrible everyday,until I stopped taking it.

Also here in Peru no one knows about Lyme,much less speaks english

So any help is hard to come by.

Thanks for your'e help,

Doug

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[Guest guest]

Doug, try asking for Una de Gato, which is Spanish for Cat's Claw.

That is the herb used in Samento. You might find it in a curandera's

shop...that is a word for a healer in Mexico, and hopefully the

Peruvians use the same word, or one that is close to it...??

Hopefully the people in Peru are not as stringently watched by the

government when it comes to herbal medicines and alternative health

practices.

Good luck!

Molly in Texas

>

> Thanks,

> ,Samento comes from the jungle here in Peru,but no one sells it

here.(go figure)

> I need to order it from the states if I want to get it.

> Also the language barrier is very difficult here especially for this

situation.

> No one seems to know about lyme and most herbs have a different name

in spanish.

> I was going to try the salt/c protocal here,but no one has the

sodium chloride or sea salt here either.

> I am going to Rio next week in Brazil to look around,maybe they will

have some herbs or at least the salt I am looking for.

> Thanks,

> Doug

>

[Guest guest]

White footed mice spread the disease. There may be many other vectors

as well, such as birds, other rodents and squirrels, mosquitos. No one

knows. I put damminix tubes with permethrin treated cotton in my yard

for the mice to make their nests with. The permethrin kills or repels

the ticks. I also fed (hopefully)the deer in my back yard corn treated

with ivermectin. This kills the tick when it bites the animal. I'm

thinking of talking to my LLMD about taking some myself. I'm fighting

back! Tired of this disease and scared I'll have it forever. (I'm in

stage 2, so don't feel too sorry for me. I'll probably get well)

>

> From: sfrobink@... <sfrobink@...>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Need some help

>

> Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 4:20 PM

>

> Hi Doug - I just read you're in Peru. I have read that 2% of Peru's

> agricultural workers have Lyme, tho I don't recall the info source.

- Robin

>

[Guest guest]

Hi again Doug,

Una De Gato is cat's claw in Spanish. You can get on

http://www.rain-tree.com/plants.htm and find a lot of information

about South American herbs online. The owner of this website has also

written a book about these herbs, but you can learn most of this

information online without buying the book (though it is a handy

reference to have as as far as portability). Some herbs only have

local names, but there are some with English names. All of her

references have the common names of the herbs, including quite often

the Brazilian Portuguese names. A really great reference source as it

also has drawings of the herbs themselves and also details how the

herbs are most commonly used.

best,

>

> Thanks,

> ,Samento comes from the jungle here in Peru,but no one sells it

here.(go figure)

> I need to order it from the states if I want to get it.

> Also the language barrier is very difficult here especially for this

situation.

> No one seems to know about lyme and most herbs have a different name

in spanish.

> I was going to try the salt/c protocal here,but no one has the

sodium chloride or sea salt here either.

> I am going to Rio next week in Brazil to look around,maybe they will

have some herbs or at least the salt I am looking for.

> Thanks,

> Doug

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Where did you get the corn? I'd like to try this.

[Guest guest]

Doug,

I am finding several places which have herbal markets in Peru. One of

the most interesting is found in the Barrio Chino (largest China town

in South America) in Lima. I would imagine that along with South

American herbs there would be found Chinese herbs along with TCM

healers and perhaps local healers as well (not to mention all that

wonderful Chinese food).

Lambayeque also is known to have an herbal market. It would be quite

exciting to find some of the Buhner herbs grown right where you are.

Iquitos has Amazon herbs, but you can only get in by plane or boat, so

I could see that would be an expensive trip.

best,

[Guest guest]

Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the different neurological deceives is? (class I, II, II) The DOC band was classified as a Class III Neurological device.

Thanks

Lorie

Mom to Spencer and Alizabeth 15 months

Spencer- Left Plagio- DOC Band Grad 9/07-12/07

Glendale, AZ

[Guest guest]

Hi Lorie-

I did some research recently and came across an interesting article

on how the DOCBand received FDA approval and it spoke of the

different classes. In the article though, it says the DOCBand is a

Class II device, so not sure about the Class III reference. I posted

it to the Files section of the board:

Plagiocephaly/files/FDA%

20Approved%20Helmets%20and%20Bands/

Hope it helps!

Jake-22m (tort resolved/rt plagio/DOCBand 8 weeks)

Jordan-4

>

> Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the different

neurological deceives is? (class I, II, II) The DOC band was

classified as a Class III Neurological device.

>

> Thanks

>

> Lorie

> Mom to Spencer and Alizabeth 15 months

> Spencer- Left Plagio- DOC Band Grad 9/07-12/07

> Glendale, AZ

>