Re: Ate out yesterday, bled today

[Guest guest]

Sorry you're having problems:(

I'm not sure if there's any way to know for sure which food item caused it, but the mozzarella cheese is defnitely illegal.

I hope you start feeling better fast so you can enjoy your time with your friend.

[Guest guest]

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> Hi-

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> For last 4 months, I have been strict SCD. I did eat out a couple of times,

but that was grilled meat and veggies (SCD legal) with no problems.

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> Yesterday, at an upscale restaurant, I ventured into eating Roasted chicken

and pan-roasted zucchini; and a tad bit of Mozzarella cheese with basil pesto. I

asked the waitress specific questions and it all sounded legal.

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> Also, I had my SCD yogurt which is 2.5 weeks old.

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> This morning, though I had firm stools, I had quite a bit of fresh blood that

I have not seen in 4 months.

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> This means two things: (1) SCD indeed has put things under control; (2) Should

be very careful.

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> I was wondering what caused it: (i) roasted chicken; (2) mozzarella;

mozzarella is ***NOT*** legal - it is a young cheese with lactose aplenty.

So that is your culprit, most likely (unless there were other oddities).

Same meal w/out mozzarella might have been fine.

Mara

[Guest guest]

Andy,

Mozzarella cheese is illegal. I would avoid cheese in restaurants as you do not

know how long it is aged or what is added to it. If the cheese came in a package

already shredded, it would likely have caking agents added to it.

Chicken is another problem. Many of them are prepared with added broth and

flavorings before they even get to the restaurant, so even if it is prepared

legally at the restaurant, it may have additives.

What was in the pesto?

Many upscale restaurants are able to accommodate you. The only thing I will eat

is plain, unmarinated fish or steak cooked in a clean pan, and legal veggies

steamed plain, or plain salad with olive oil and plain vinegar on the side.

Sometimes I just eat first at home and have tea or water, or a small glass of

legal wine while others eat. I go for the company and not the food.

PJ

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>

> Hi-

>

> For last 4 months, I have been strict SCD. I did eat out a couple of times,

but that was grilled meat and veggies (SCD legal) with no problems.

>

> Yesterday, at an upscale restaurant, I ventured into eating Roasted chicken

and pan-roasted zucchini; and a tad bit of Mozzarella cheese with basil pesto. I

asked the waitress specific questions and it all sounded legal.

>

> Also, I had my SCD yogurt which is 2.5 weeks old.

>

> This morning, though I had firm stools, I had quite a bit of fresh blood that

I have not seen in 4 months.

>

> This means two things: (1) SCD indeed has put things under control; (2) Should

be very careful.

>

> I was wondering what caused it: (i) roasted chicken; (2) mozzarella; (3)

zucchini; (4) basil/pesto; or (5) 2.5-week old yogurt?

>

> Also, I plan to eat my regular SCD food and see if the bleeding stops. Else, I

have to go back to Intro That'll be sad because I have a friend visiting this

week and we plan to have some fun.

>

> Thoughts appreciated.

> -Andy.

>

[Guest guest]

Andy,

Another thing that may have contributed to your reaction besides the mozzarella

is that the chicken could have contained the broth that seemingly gets shot into

everything but the organic stuff. And some of that broth can have really nasty

stuff, like carrageenan (sp?) and starches.

I haven't eaten out much since I got sick, but the few times I did, I'd always

order either chicken or steak grilled with steamed vegis, and then I got hip to

the chicken broth issue here on the board, and now I'll no longer eat chicken

out.

Sorry to hear about your troubles.

Ellen

[Guest guest]

Hi guys-

Thanks a lot for the replies.

I can't imagine I screwed it up with the Mozzarella cheese. Stupid me!

Regarding chicken, they said it was not marinated, it was just cooked with its

own juice. I guess I just need to avoid chicken too Its going to be just

grilled fish and steak then.

I still feel tender, hope I get better before we head out to Austin for the

South by Southwest music festival for the Spring break!

-Andy.

[Guest guest]

At 11:05 AM 3/16/2010, you wrote:

I was wondering what caused it:

(i) roasted chicken; (2) mozzarella; (3) zucchini; (4) basil/pesto; or

(5) 2.5-week old yogurt?

Mozzarella is not legal -- but if they had provolone, that could be

substituted.

The chicken may have been injected with something to " improve the

flavor " and that can have sugar and/or modified food starch in it.

The pesto may have had sugar added.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

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> At 11:05 AM 3/16/2010, you wrote:

>> I was wondering what caused it: (i) roasted chicken; (2) mozzarella; (3)

zucchini; (4) basil/pesto; or (5) 2.5-week old yogurt?

>

> Mozzarella is not legal -- but if they had provolone, that could be

substituted.

>

> The chicken may have been injected with something to " improve the flavor " and

that can have sugar and/or modified food starch in it.

>

> The pesto may have had sugar added.

Up scale restaurants just do not add sugar to pesto. I would not

be worried about that at all. There's just no way - sugar is a completely

out of place spice in pesto. Makes no culinary sense.

Fresh tomato sauce, yes.

Pesto, no way.

More likely, it could have a tad of balsamic vinegar added.

But all in all, an extremely little amount given the volume.

The culprit is much more likely to be mozzarella.

Mara

[Guest guest]

From: BTVC-SCD

[mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Andy Ram

I can't imagine I screwed it up with the Mozzarella cheese. Stupid me! You’ll only make that mistake one time! Amazing how quickly

the body reacts to a substance that it cannot handle.

Regarding chicken, they said it was not marinated, it was

just cooked with its own juice. I guess I just need to avoid chicken too Its

going to be just grilled fish and steak then. Make

sure any steak you order has not been rubbed with “spices” or

marinated.

I still feel tender, hope I get better before we head out to Austin for the

South by Southwest music festival for the Spring break!

I hope ya feel better. If you see my daughter

Johanna at S x SW tell her hi!

Have fun!

Carol

CD 22 yrs SCD 5 yrs

[Guest guest]

Glad you feel better. Beware the restaurant chicken too.

PJ

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> Update:

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> No blood today. It was probably the Mozzarella, then.

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[Guest guest]

Had petite beef fillet and steamed asparagus. The beef fillet was simply grilled and then tossed with parsley and butter. Nothing sounded illegal here.The only thing I can think is that maybe the beef was marinated in something already. Did you ask them about that? Also, they could've said it was tossed with butter, but really used a fake 'butter' with something illegal in it. Personally, I would just not eat out for a while if I were you! I'm surprised you were willing to try it again so soon after the last incident. Peace =)Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 50 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 35 mg 1x per day

[Guest guest]

I think it makes a huge difference if it's a small local place as opposed to a chain.  Chain's are awful.  There's a Mexican restaurant across the street (so to speak) that I can eat out without problems.  They are very easy to accommodate.  Same thing with another local seafood place I could eat at even prior to SCD and not get sick.

 

But certain chains like Joe's Crab Shack were a nightmare.  Just fwiw.

 

Debbie cd 40

[Guest guest]

And sometimes, alas, even with all this pre-planning it doesn't

work. A few years ago a group of mine was going out to a certain

place for a luncheon. Of course I called ahead. I explained that

the only thing I could eat was salad with particular things. I was

assured that sure, they could leave off croutons and bacon bits, and yes,

of course they had all kinds of fresh veggies and would be glad to custom

make me a nice salad. So I didn't take anything with me except a

tea bag and my salad dressing. I was told by the waitress (who

seemed to think I was sent to harrass her) that no, I could not have a

special salad. I could have a tiny dinner salad sans the things I didn't

want. I told her waht I'd been told and was informed that SHE made the

salads, from things " out here " , and the rest of the fresh stuff

was in the kitchen which she claimed she couldn't get to and clearly

wasn't willing to try. I paid $7.95 for a small handful of lettuce and

basically, starved. Now, of course, I would at least have a slice of

chicken in my purse but this was during my 20 years when I couldn't

handle any protein.

Before I eat out (which has been rare), I always e mail ahead of time

or talk to the manager to see what ingredients are in the items and what

is " safe " for me to order off the menu. It saves a bit of

explaining at the time of ordering. Often the waiter/waitress says

" butter " but when I ask further, it is a blend. Many times, the

manager is very helpful with picking items ahead of time. PJ