Re: worry free

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This thread is really giving me " food for thought " ! I too as a very

small child could never get enough food to satisfy me. When I was in

the 1st grade I remember stealing money from my mother's purse so I

could run to the little corner store to buy candy, twinkies, hostess

cupcakes or whatever sweet stuff I could get and cramming it into my

mouth as fast as I could on my way home from school. I also would go

to resturants on the weekends and order food, again I was only in the

2nd or 3rd grade-I learned to read at a very early age. I can even

remember that before I started school, 3 or 4 years old, sneaking

down to our cellar and prying open the canned fruit and stuffing as

much as I could into my mouth. I was a chubby child, although very

active. I would throw fits when I felt I could not have enough

food. . When I 12 my mother took me to the local diet doctor and

they put me on little black pills, it worked, I became thin and my

family was so proud. We had a weigh in every Friday night at my

house and if I weighed more than my mother thought I should, she

would cry and become very angry, how well I remember the shame and

embarrassment. When those little black pills became illegal and I

stopped taking them, well the weight plus some came back fast. My

dear mother also taught how to binge and purge thinking that that

would keep me slim, it worked for awhile but it also made me very

sick. As a young adult, I can remember crying becuase no matter how

much I ate or what I ate, I never ever felt full. I knew something

was wrong but always always blamed myself. I just could not

understand how come I never felt full and how my skinny friends could

skip meals so easily, hell I would be eating breakfast and wondering

what I was going to have for lunch-a never ending cycle! When I had

my open rny, for the first time that I can ever remember, I no longer

felt any hunger and when I started to eat, to my amazement, I felt

full for the first time. I remember crying for joy. Now almost 10

years post op, the tool still works wonderfully for me, I am one of

the lucky ones and not a single day goes by that I don't say a prayer

of thanks! I know this surgery does not work for everyone and that

makes my heart heavy with saddness! WE NEED TO STOP BLAMING

OURSELVES! We need to support and encourgage each other, take joy

each other's successes and for those that are struggling we need to

embrace them with love and kindness!

Just my $.02 worth

EJ

> Wow. what is it about our childhood? It can't be all environment

or poor

> eating habits. There has to be something genetic there too. Look

at the

> number of twins separated at birth who are both obese.

>

> I know I was chubby as a child but also I can remember going to my

aunt's

> house and when she left the room sneaking bread and butter into my

mouth...

> just stuffing it in. And she caught me and I was so ashamed. This

was

> before kindergarten so the oldest I could have been was 4.

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EJ thank you so much for your post. It meant a lot to me.

Fay Bayuk

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I do 4 pro shakes daily, religiously--120g protein in just shakes alone. I do

100 oz water daily. I take ALL the recommended vits and minerals and some

that are not even recommended, in dosages that distals would take, even tho I'm

a

prox. I do think I'm flooding my body with all the nutrients it needs.

Regeneration isn't an issue for me YET, as far as I know. At least Dr. Oh did

not

mention it after my scope. Only the enlarged stoma.

Carol A

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In a message dated 7/30/2003 6:21:44 PM Central Daylight Time,

bjeangrove11@... writes:

> >Carol~

> >I believe within myself that this is a definite possibility. Why would

> your

> >body work to get nutrients that it is already getting? Makes a lot of

> sense

> >to me. And doing this cannot hurt in any way...so why not bath your body

> in

> >nutrients...and see. We need more anecdotal evidence that this is

> true....but

> >so far...I'm a believer!

> >

> >Regards~

> >

> >Jacque

> >>Is there any truth or possibility that the body creates regeneration

> >>because it is not getting the essential norishment it needs. Is it

> >>possible to stop the body from compensating so much by drinking more

> >>protein shakes and/or taking excellent sources of vitamins and

> >>minerals? Does it even aid in hindering regeneration to give the

> >>

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In a message dated 7/31/2003 7:29:24 AM Central Daylight Time,

navwriter@... writes:

>

> Tell me again Carol exactly what he said was the reason he could not

> repair/reinforce/redo/modify the stoma? I have often wondered why, if they

> can go in a take out a major aneurysm in the aorta and eplace it with what

> looks like a section of vaccum hose, then why in the world could not a stoma

> be repaired in some fashion that would make the surgery functional again? I

> know has told me before etc., and I have had surgeons run out of

> the room when I mentioned it,,,,but I cannot for the life of me remember

> exactly what was said,,,,,

-------------------------------------

Basically what he said was that the original surgeon placed it very very

close to the esophagus and it is just way too risky and dangerous to do a

surgical

intervention with only about 1 centimeter of working space. Not even any room

to put on a silastic ring/band. Don't know why they couldn't like, maybe,

shorten or use some of the esophagus. Or reverse the whole surgery (I thought it

WAS reversible) and make a new pouch with stoma in a different location. I

have trouble understanding how the stoma can be too close to the esophagus, bcuz

I think: okay, first u got the esophagus and below that the pouch, and at the

BOTTOM of the pouch, the stoma. I THINK what I have is what some call a

horizontal pouch, in which case the stoma could be more on the side, next to

esophagus, rather than at the bottom of the pouch. Does that make sense?

Sure wish there was a way to fix it. Maybe if enuf people end up with this

situation, someone will come up with a solution -- maybe that solution lies with

the original surgeons placing the stoma in such a way that it CAN be fixed if

it fails. Bcuz from what I understand, it's in the nature of the beast to get

bigger just on its own over time. But unless people start talking about this

more freely, and getting themselves scoped, and going armed with the results

to their surgeons, it'll prolly go the way of the calcium wars et al. Took my

doc almost 2 yrs worth of constant reminders from patients b4 he finally quit

recommending Tums..............

Carol A

[Guest guest]

Tell me again Carol exactly what he said was the reason he could not

repair/reinforce/redo/modify the stoma? I have often wondered why, if they

can go in a take out a major aneurysm in the aorta and eplace it with what

looks like a section of vaccum hose, then why in the world could not a stoma

be repaired in some fashion that would make the surgery functional again? I

know has told me before etc., and I have had surgeons run out of

the room when I mentioned it,,,,but I cannot for the life of me remember

exactly what was said,,,,,

Dan Slone

Surgery 5/2/2000,Yahoo Msg navwriter

AIM Navwriter58, ICQ 260890468

Re: worry free

I do 4 pro shakes daily, religiously--120g protein in just shakes alone. I

do

100 oz water daily. I take ALL the recommended vits and minerals and some

that are not even recommended, in dosages that distals would take, even tho

I'm a

prox. I do think I'm flooding my body with all the nutrients it needs.

Regeneration isn't an issue for me YET, as far as I know. At least Dr. Oh

did not

mention it after my scope. Only the enlarged stoma.

Carol A

------------------------------

In a message dated 7/30/2003 6:21:44 PM Central Daylight Time,

bjeangrove11@... writes:

> >Carol~

> >I believe within myself that this is a definite possibility. Why would

> your

> >body work to get nutrients that it is already getting? Makes a lot of

> sense

> >to me. And doing this cannot hurt in any way...so why not bath your body

> in

> >nutrients...and see. We need more anecdotal evidence that this is

> true....but

> >so far...I'm a believer!

> >

> >Regards~

> >

> >Jacque

> >>Is there any truth or possibility that the body creates regeneration

> >>because it is not getting the essential norishment it needs. Is it

> >>possible to stop the body from compensating so much by drinking more

> >>protein shakes and/or taking excellent sources of vitamins and

> >>minerals? Does it even aid in hindering regeneration to give the

> >>

[Guest guest]

You know guys, this thread is extremely interesting to me.....

I think that we can glean something really valuable from it. From a medical

standpoint, we all are saying something that bears investigating...

It seems that all of us in early childhood had a broken switch. We did not

know when to stop eating. We searched for the " full " feeling. Early on, we

ate from head hunger but not for the reasons that " normal people " eat. Shame

and guilt were constant companions and we all had knowledge of how to ear

healthy. I find it ironic that this broken switch was not fixed until wls.

Also, to throw another factor into the pot, how many of us pre-wls, have gone

to the doctor with a valid medical complaint that needed investigating only

to be told if we just " lose some weight " everything would be fine? I know

that I have. The fact that I needed to lose weight was true and very

obvious. The other medical conditions, unless they were major co-morbs, were

for the most part, ignored or dismissed.

I gained a sense of self respect with the weight loss. I also began to

demand that other medical complaints be taken seriously. Something I could

not do before. I take more responsibility for my health and have learned

that there are issues that have to do with the mechanics of my body and I

cannot be blamed for them. I feel that it is imperative for the medical

community to look at the evidence. More than one person on this list alone,

is demonstrating the same disorders, the same symptoms. What is this

saying? How can we alert others? What do we need to investigate and

document for future potential wls patients? The re-training the brain needs

go farther than just wls patients. What is it that is being overlooked?

Just my thoughts!

Carol

Richmond, VA

Open RNY 10/31/97

ej135 wrote:

> This thread is really giving me " food for thought " ! I too as a very

> small child could never get enough food to satisfy me. When I was in

> the 1st grade I remember stealing money from my mother's purse so I

> could run to the little corner store to buy candy, twinkies, hostess

> cupcakes or whatever sweet stuff I could get and cramming it into my

> mouth as fast as I could on my way home from school. I also would go

> to resturants on the weekends and order food, again I was only in the

> 2nd or 3rd grade-I learned to read at a very early age. I can even

> remember that before I started school, 3 or 4 years old, sneaking

> down to our cellar and prying open the canned fruit and stuffing as

> much as I could into my mouth. I was a chubby child, although very

> active. I would throw fits when I felt I could not have enough

> food. . When I 12 my mother took me to the local diet doctor and

> they put me on little black pills, it worked, I became thin and my

> family was so proud. We had a weigh in every Friday night at my

> house and if I weighed more than my mother thought I should, she

> would cry and become very angry, how well I remember the shame and

> embarrassment. When those little black pills became illegal and I

> stopped taking them, well the weight plus some came back fast. My

> dear mother also taught how to binge and purge thinking that that

> would keep me slim, it worked for awhile but it also made me very

> sick. As a young adult, I can remember crying becuase no matter how

> much I ate or what I ate, I never ever felt full. I knew something

> was wrong but always always blamed myself. I just could not

> understand how come I never felt full and how my skinny friends could

> skip meals so easily, hell I would be eating breakfast and wondering

> what I was going to have for lunch-a never ending cycle! When I had

> my open rny, for the first time that I can ever remember, I no longer

> felt any hunger and when I started to eat, to my amazement, I felt

> full for the first time. I remember crying for joy. Now almost 10

> years post op, the tool still works wonderfully for me, I am one of

> the lucky ones and not a single day goes by that I don't say a prayer

> of thanks! I know this surgery does not work for everyone and that

> makes my heart heavy with saddness! WE NEED TO STOP BLAMING

> OURSELVES! We need to support and encourgage each other, take joy

> each other's successes and for those that are struggling we need to

> embrace them with love and kindness!

> Just my $.02 worth

> EJ

>

>

> > Wow. what is it about our childhood? It can't be all environment

> or poor

> > eating habits. There has to be something genetic there too. Look

> at the

> > number of twins separated at birth who are both obese.

> >

> > I know I was chubby as a child but also I can remember going to my

> aunt's

> > house and when she left the room sneaking bread and butter into my

> mouth...

> > just stuffing it in. And she caught me and I was so ashamed. This

> was

> > before kindergarten so the oldest I could have been was 4.

>

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