Re: Off the Subject- Immunizations/ Polio-kind of back on topic

October 30, 2005

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Doctor's thought my mother has polio as a child. In adult hood they tend to

think she didn't have polio, she had childhood rheumatoid arthritis - she's

extremely crippled with RH now and has been suffering it as long as I can

remember - but I wonder about the polio since you mention this and there was no

cf history in my family either. No way to prove it really, whether she had the

polio or childhood rh.

s.

Off the Subject- Immunizations

>

> I am having a really tough time deciding if I am going to continue

> having my son immunized. He has had up to his 1 year shots. He has

> not received the MMR yet. My concern is its (immunizations,

> particularly the MMR) possible relation to autism.

> As a former Preschool Director, my knowledge... articles, seminars,

> communication with dr.s and special needs panels, etc.. were all

> leaning towards no relation between autism and immunizations.

> However, when it comes to my son and many recent correlations between

> the two- I am stuck.

> I have read testimonies from parents stating their beliefs are that

> the MMR vaccine caused autism (or forms of autism) in their small

> children. I have also heard that with relation to the Chicken Pox

> vaccine, as it's life on the market is about 10 years which

> corresponds to the recent rise in autism in the last decade.

> I guess I am just looking for opinions.

> Any one with similar experiences to what I have expressed.

> Thanks,

> Stacie

>

October 31, 2005

ee,

Well put, I agree with pretty much everything you said here. I have

never had a flu shot and don't want one. Don't want my kids getting

them either.

Polio is something I'm a bit interested in exploring - I've heard

about various indirect and inconclusive correlations between it and

CF. I've often wondered about that, my mom had Polio as an adult

(when she was in her 20's), she had me (with CF) about 9 years later,

there was no prior history of CF in our family that anyone knows of.

Whether or not there is anything to it I don't know, but I do think it

would be interesting for the research people to pursue.

>

> I'm on the fence about immunizations, also. It's so hard to know

what is really accurate information and what is propaganda. Something

I did read recently sort of made sense though. Immunization

advocates say the rate of disease has dropped dramatically since the

use of shots began...but this article suggested that the rate of

disease dropping coincided with better education and sanitation

regarding diseases in the first place. Duh, like wash your hands and

cover your mouth when you cough, stuff. We learned how to reduce the

spread of infections thus reducing them with out medication/vaccines.

>

> It seems there is no real clear cut evidence for either side as the

studies done about the shots are generally government funded and the

gov and the Rx companies walk hand in hand. I also read that in

America it is basically too late to have a study because if a true

non-biased study was done and found devistating (accurate) results

that shots are harming our kids, well our gov. and Rx industries would

have to admit they'd screwed up at the risk of billions of dollars of

law suits, etc. to cover damages to the kids that were harmed. So

who do you trust?

>

> I agree, a shot for chicken pox is kind of over-kill. Polio was

fairly wiped out with good sanitation. This article said the polio

vaccine did produce bad results in the beginning so they split polio

in to three catagories and vaccinated accordingly to hide the evidence

it produced bad results. But my Q is do we really need a polio shot

in this day and age? Is chicken pox the end of the world? Most of us

older folks here had the pox, wasn't that big of a deal. Yet we're

frightened in to getting the shots for our kids. The school threatens

us, the public threatens us - we're pegged as irresponsible freaks if

we choose not to immunize and we're bullied in to it despite our basic

rights to refuse if we choose.

>

> I think flu shots as the norm are scarey. I've never had one

myself. I don't trust them. Influenza is a serious illness but it's

not really the deadly illness it was fifty years ago where so many

people died from it. I'll take my chances with the flu right now over

the risk of these fly by night flu shots.

>

> There's a certain amount of common sense you know - use good

sanitation and keep your body's immune system built up with good

nutrition and rest. I think people can weaken their immune system

with too much germ-killing, too much protection, too much antibiotics

and anitbacterial soap, etc. The average ear infection will clear

itself up in 7 to 10 days with out antibiotics (or with them), for

example. I've had doctors prescribe antibiotics for my kid's cold,

knowing full well you cannot cure a cold with antibiotics! Germs are

becoming immune to antibiotics, so I wonder if the risk isn't there

for germs to become immune to our vaccines, too, mutating them in to

diseases our bodies cannot handle anymore. With a reasonable amount

of exposure on a normal life basis, we fight off diseases we never

know we have - or if we get them they are generally minimal. But if

our body has no natural immunity built up through normal exposure, it

kicks our ass. It's like the Europeans who brought small pox over

to the American Indians who'd never been exposed before and thus had

no immunity and dropped like flies while the Europeans were largely

unaffected in comparrison.

>

> I read the amount of germs your body recieves from an infection

(say the pox or polio for example) is only a small fraction compared

to what it gets exposed to via the vaccine and thus the shot can throw

the system in to sort of a shock.

>

> So all in all I suppose this is a long winded answer to say about

all you can do is follow your own instinct here. The information

available is both biased and confusing.

>

> My 1st reaction is to not vaccinate - yet the fear-factor tells me

to. Not just the fear of my kids getting sick but the fear of social

service people accusing me of neglect if I don't and taking my kids

from me. The whole thing is screwed up.

> s.

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