Re: Re: McD's Fries - Clarified Ingredient List

August 14, 2001

In a message dated 08/14/2001 10:57:41 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

debbiejusi@... writes:

> Don't worry, I am right there with you on this one. Not even to

> mention the cross contamination issue and corn problems,you have the

> fact that it is just LOADED with horrible chemicals, I would feel

> like I am giving my kids a big vat of liquid poison, YUCK!!!! No

> thanks, not for me....it just isn't worth it in my opinion to be able

> to give my son quick convienence food. It is quicker for me to peel

> the potatoes and bake them myself, I know whats in them, I didn't

> have to waste my gas going there and waiting in line and then to be

> served poison in a box and be charged for it OY VEY!!

>

> Debbie

>

Gee, just make those of us who DO take our kids out for that on occasion feel

REALLY good about it. Why can't you just say you agree and let it go at

that? Is there some reason you have to go on and on about it being poison?

Is it the best food available? No, of course not.. But as a treat

occasionally, we do indulge, and we haven't had any issues with my son when

he does get them. He has so few 'normal' foods that he can share with

his sister, I am not going to take this away from him as long as he continues

to do fine with them.

Married to Dan

Mom to:

Dana (3/4/98)

36 week preemie, now a spirited 3 y/o

~~~~~and~~~~~~

(3/26/99)

33 week preemie, now a 2 y.o. growing boy!

mild-moderate autism/hearing impaired

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

<A

HREF= " http://www.butcherfamily.freeservers.com " >http://www.butcherfamily.freeser\

vers.com</A>

August 14, 2001

This seems like a perfect time for a little friendly reminder, especially

since there are many new members. Please, everyone, word your responses

carefully. All of our lives have been made a bit more trying due to

implementing a GFCF diet for our children, ourselves, or loved ones. Some

children react to ingredients that others are fine with. I am sure that

there are probably vegetarians out there as well in our group of over 2000.

But I don't expect them to tell us that if our children, etc. get meat, then

they are eating " poison " . Some of us do chemicals, some do not. That is a

very personal choice. Some do phenols, some do not. Some do corn, some do

not. But just remember, that just because you have chosen your path, do not

condem others for their path. The purpose of this list is not to make

others feel guilty for their choices, but to support. brought up

good points, but to take it beyond that is way over the top. Let's be nice,

and be supportive. I truly doubt anyone here is poisoning their child.

Wendi Dupuy

co-moderator

Re: Re: McD's Fries - Clarified Ingredient List

> In a message dated 08/14/2001 10:57:41 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

> debbiejusi@... writes:

>

> > Don't worry, I am right there with you on this one. Not even to

> > mention the cross contamination issue and corn problems,you have the

> > fact that it is just LOADED with horrible chemicals, I would feel

> > like I am giving my kids a big vat of liquid poison, YUCK!!!! No

> > thanks, not for me....it just isn't worth it in my opinion to be able

> > to give my son quick convienence food. It is quicker for me to peel

> > the potatoes and bake them myself, I know whats in them, I didn't

> > have to waste my gas going there and waiting in line and then to be

> > served poison in a box and be charged for it OY VEY!!

> >

> > Debbie

> >

>

> Gee, just make those of us who DO take our kids out for that on occasion

feel

> REALLY good about it. Why can't you just say you agree and let it go at

> that? Is there some reason you have to go on and on about it being poison?

> Is it the best food available? No, of course not.. But as a treat

> occasionally, we do indulge, and we haven't had any issues with my son

when

> he does get them. He has so few 'normal' foods that he can share with

> his sister, I am not going to take this away from him as long as he

continues

> to do fine with them.

>

> Married to Dan

> Mom to:

> Dana (3/4/98)

> 36 week preemie, now a spirited 3 y/o

> ~~~~~and~~~~~~

> (3/26/99)

> 33 week preemie, now a 2 y.o. growing boy!

> mild-moderate autism/hearing impaired

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> <A

HREF= " http://www.butcherfamily.freeservers.com " >http://www.butcherfamily.fre

eservers.com</A>

>

August 14, 2001

Debbie:

Sorry that people are sending nasty e-mails. The moderators need to

step in now before we lose the group. This group is a vital lifeline for me

and we can all share in each others pain and sorry not belittle someone for

making a comment.

Sharon

August 14, 2001

Agree.

-Phyllis

Re: Re: McD's Fries - Clarified Ingredient List

>

> > In a message dated 08/14/2001 10:57:41 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

> > debbiejusi@... writes:

> >

> > > Don't worry, I am right there with you on this one. Not even to

> > > mention the cross contamination issue and corn problems,you have the

> > > fact that it is just LOADED with horrible chemicals, I would feel

> > > like I am giving my kids a big vat of liquid poison, YUCK!!!! No

> > > thanks, not for me....it just isn't worth it in my opinion to be able

> > > to give my son quick convienence food. It is quicker for me to peel

> > > the potatoes and bake them myself, I know whats in them, I didn't

> > > have to waste my gas going there and waiting in line and then to be

> > > served poison in a box and be charged for it OY VEY!!

> > >

> > > Debbie

> > >

> >

> > Gee, just make those of us who DO take our kids out for that on occasion

> feel

> > REALLY good about it. Why can't you just say you agree and let it go at

> > that? Is there some reason you have to go on and on about it being

poison?

> > Is it the best food available? No, of course not.. But as a treat

> > occasionally, we do indulge, and we haven't had any issues with my son

> when

> > he does get them. He has so few 'normal' foods that he can share

with

> > his sister, I am not going to take this away from him as long as he

> continues

> > to do fine with them.

> >

> > Married to Dan

> > Mom to:

> > Dana (3/4/98)

> > 36 week preemie, now a spirited 3 y/o

> > ~~~~~and~~~~~~

> > (3/26/99)

> > 33 week preemie, now a 2 y.o. growing boy!

> > mild-moderate autism/hearing impaired

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > <A

>

HREF= " http://www.butcherfamily.freeservers.com " >http://www.butcherfamily.fre

> eservers.com</A>

> >

August 14, 2001

I am just as sorry you got nasty replies as I was when I saw your post.

Let's be SUPPORTIVE, ok?

If you are really curious, no, I am not guilty for giving my children McD

fries. I just don't like nasty posts from anyone.

Hope it can stop here.

-Phyllis

Re: McD's Fries - Clarified Ingredient List

>

> ,

> As I stated to Wendi, that was MY OPINION, and I still feel that

> way. I do not personally like being attacked by other adults about my

> opinion...as I said before, if you feel guilty for feeding your child

> fries from Mcd's than thats your hang-up not mine, but don't attack

> me because I stated an opinion on how I feel about giving them to my

> family... I believe in giving my children antibiotics, others do not

> agree, I respect their opinions and they mine. Sorry to start such a

> war, but come-on now.... is everyone angy at me for stating a fact

> about fries being loaded with chemicals (which is proven right on the

> back of the bag) or is it because people feel, as it was

> stated, " guilty for giving them to their children " . Also, not to go

> on and on, as I was said to have done, I am getting a little tired of

> everytime I post a statement that doesn't agree with the majority of

> others, that I get attacked on the list serv AS WELL as personal hate

> mail...if you don't like what I say, then just delete my mail, why be

> so nasty?

>

> Debbie

>

> > In a message dated 08/14/2001 10:57:41 AM US Mountain Standard

> Time,

> > debbiejusi@y... writes:

> >

> > > Don't worry, I am right there with you on this one. Not even to

> > > mention the cross contamination issue and corn problems,you have

> the

> > > fact that it is just LOADED with horrible chemicals, I would feel

> > > like I am giving my kids a big vat of liquid poison, YUCK!!!! No

> > > thanks, not for me....it just isn't worth it in my opinion to be

> able

> > > to give my son quick convienence food. It is quicker for me to

> peel

> > > the potatoes and bake them myself, I know whats in them, I didn't

> > > have to waste my gas going there and waiting in line and then to

> be

> > > served poison in a box and be charged for it OY VEY!!

> > >

> > > Debbie

> > >

> >

> > Gee, just make those of us who DO take our kids out for that on

> occasion feel

> > REALLY good about it. Why can't you just say you agree and let it

> go at

> > that? Is there some reason you have to go on and on about it being

> poison?

> > Is it the best food available? No, of course not.. But as a treat

> > occasionally, we do indulge, and we haven't had any issues with my

> son when

> > he does get them. He has so few 'normal' foods that he can

> share with

> > his sister, I am not going to take this away from him as long as he

> continues

> > to do fine with them.

> >

> > Married to Dan

> > Mom to:

> > Dana (3/4/98)

> > 36 week preemie, now a spirited 3 y/o

> > ~~~~~and~~~~~~

> > (3/26/99)

> > 33 week preemie, now a 2 y.o. growing boy!

> > mild-moderate autism/hearing impaired

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > <A

> HREF= " http://www.butcherfamily.freeservers.com " >http://www.butcherfami

> ly.freeservers.com</A>

> >

August 14, 2001

I thought the argument was over how people should talk to other people and

taking responsibility for one's actions. I am sorry you are having a rough

time, and I am glad at least some good came out of this whole thing and that

is that you were able to say what was really on your mind and behind all of

this. Now perhaps we can help. I know that all of us sometimes sound

differently than we intend or don't realize what we sound like when we are

under stress. Is there anything we can do to help relieve your stress?

-Phyllis

Re: McD's Fries - Clarified Ingredient List

> Phyllis,

>

> I too am sorry, but sorry about your post, I find that rude and

> offensive. I WAS NOT and AM NOT being non-supportive. I go to bed

> every night, just like everyone else on here and cry because my child

> is lost somewhere in this " Autistic " maize. I too have severe medical

> issues I deal with concerning my son on a daily basis, as many other

> mothers on here do. I also feel my heart break from the depths of my

> soul EACH and EVERYTIME I see a new member join onto this list-

> serv....WHY you ask, because to me, that means it is yet ANOTHER

> family that has to go through this tormented hell the doctors

> call " The Autistic Spectrum " . I wouldn't wish my life on even my

> worst enemy. I pray DAILY for God to help ALL of the familes

> involved, not just mine. My eyes get red and raw, just like many of

> you, from crying over the hell my child goes through and will

> CONTINUE to go through, and I loose my voice from screaming at the

> top of my lungs to every doctor who is blind to dietary advances

> PROVEN to help this spectrum disorder.

> So if I sound " matter of fact " about stating I was only posting my

> opinion...then GOOD, I meant to be. I think if we are bickering back

> and forth over something as pityful and worthless as wether or not

> you should feel guilty serving your child McD's fries, well, it's a

> sad day, because to me, that should be the LEAST of our worries!!!!!!

>

> So if it makes others feel strong and powerful by attacking me over

> something they " read " into my post about a trivial issue, then so be

> it, but keep in mind, I am no different from all of you, I just spoke

> up about a particular issue and obviously didn't word it as others

> wanted me to.

>

> Debbie

>

> > > > In a message dated 08/14/2001 10:57:41 AM US Mountain Standard

> > > Time,

> > > > debbiejusi@y... writes:

> > > >

> > > > > Don't worry, I am right there with you on this one. Not even

> to

> > > > > mention the cross contamination issue and corn problems,you

> have

> > > the

> > > > > fact that it is just LOADED with horrible chemicals, I would

> feel

> > > > > like I am giving my kids a big vat of liquid poison, YUCK!!!!

> No

> > > > > thanks, not for me....it just isn't worth it in my opinion to

> be

> > > able

> > > > > to give my son quick convienence food. It is quicker for me to

> > > peel

> > > > > the potatoes and bake them myself, I know whats in them, I

> didn't

> > > > > have to waste my gas going there and waiting in line and then

> to

> > > be

> > > > > served poison in a box and be charged for it OY VEY!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Debbie

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Gee, just make those of us who DO take our kids out for that on

> > > occasion feel

> > > > REALLY good about it. Why can't you just say you agree and let

> it

> > > go at

> > > > that? Is there some reason you have to go on and on about it

> being

> > > poison?

> > > > Is it the best food available? No, of course not.. But as a

> treat

> > > > occasionally, we do indulge, and we haven't had any issues with

> my

> > > son when

> > > > he does get them. He has so few 'normal' foods that he can

> > > share with

> > > > his sister, I am not going to take this away from him as long

> as he

> > > continues

> > > > to do fine with them.

> > > >

> > > > Married to Dan

> > > > Mom to:

> > > > Dana (3/4/98)

> > > > 36 week preemie, now a spirited 3 y/o

> > > > ~~~~~and~~~~~~

> > > > (3/26/99)

> > > > 33 week preemie, now a 2 y.o. growing boy!

> > > > mild-moderate autism/hearing impaired

> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > <A

> > >

> HREF= " http://www.butcherfamily.freeservers.com " >http://www.butcherfami

> > > ly.freeservers.com</A>

> > > >

August 14, 2001

Hi. I am a moderator, and I did step in early this afternoon. I stated my

beliefs, and I stand by them. At no time should anyone on this list be

subjected to a feeling of guilt by another member due to their over stated

opinions. I don't feel that I, or anyone else misinterpreted the intent of

the post. And, Debbie, if you have had problems like this in the past, as

you have stated, then perhaps it would be a good idea to reread your replies

sometimes before hitting 'send', and ask yourself if it indeeds sounds

offensive. Because everyone of your posts on this subject have appeared to

be very hostile. This is a support group. Please keep that in mind.

Re: Re: McD's Fries - Clarified Ingredient List

> Debbie:

> Sorry that people are sending nasty e-mails. The moderators need

to

> step in now before we lose the group. This group is a vital lifeline for

me

> and we can all share in each others pain and sorry not belittle someone

for

> making a comment.

> Sharon

>

August 14, 2001

Debbie -LOL the most DELICIOUS things always are...Dam it. (Hope that is

acceptable on this list ) -Shari

Re: Re: McD's Fries - Clarified Ingredient List

> >

> > > Debbie:

> > > Sorry that people are sending nasty e-mails. The

> moderators need

> > to

> > > step in now before we lose the group. This group is a vital

> lifeline for

> > me

> > > and we can all share in each others pain and sorry not belittle

> someone

> > for

> > > making a comment.

> > > Sharon

> > >

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