Re: McD's Fries - Clarified Ingredient List

August 14, 2001

,

As I stated to Wendi, that was MY OPINION, and I still feel that

way. I do not personally like being attacked by other adults about my

opinion...as I said before, if you feel guilty for feeding your child

fries from Mcd's than thats your hang-up not mine, but don't attack

me because I stated an opinion on how I feel about giving them to my

family... I believe in giving my children antibiotics, others do not

agree, I respect their opinions and they mine. Sorry to start such a

war, but come-on now.... is everyone angy at me for stating a fact

about fries being loaded with chemicals (which is proven right on the

back of the bag) or is it because people feel, as it was

stated, " guilty for giving them to their children " . Also, not to go

on and on, as I was said to have done, I am getting a little tired of

everytime I post a statement that doesn't agree with the majority of

others, that I get attacked on the list serv AS WELL as personal hate

mail...if you don't like what I say, then just delete my mail, why be

so nasty?

Debbie

> In a message dated 08/14/2001 10:57:41 AM US Mountain Standard

Time,

> debbiejusi@y... writes:

>

> > Don't worry, I am right there with you on this one. Not even to

> > mention the cross contamination issue and corn problems,you have

the

> > fact that it is just LOADED with horrible chemicals, I would feel

> > like I am giving my kids a big vat of liquid poison, YUCK!!!! No

> > thanks, not for me....it just isn't worth it in my opinion to be

able

> > to give my son quick convienence food. It is quicker for me to

peel

> > the potatoes and bake them myself, I know whats in them, I didn't

> > have to waste my gas going there and waiting in line and then to

be

> > served poison in a box and be charged for it OY VEY!!

> >

> > Debbie

> >

>

> Gee, just make those of us who DO take our kids out for that on

occasion feel

> REALLY good about it. Why can't you just say you agree and let it

go at

> that? Is there some reason you have to go on and on about it being

poison?

> Is it the best food available? No, of course not.. But as a treat

> occasionally, we do indulge, and we haven't had any issues with my

son when

> he does get them. He has so few 'normal' foods that he can

share with

> his sister, I am not going to take this away from him as long as he

continues

> to do fine with them.

>

> Married to Dan

> Mom to:

> Dana (3/4/98)

> 36 week preemie, now a spirited 3 y/o

> ~~~~~and~~~~~~

> (3/26/99)

> 33 week preemie, now a 2 y.o. growing boy!

> mild-moderate autism/hearing impaired

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> <A

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>

August 14, 2001

I feel the need to repeat myself ...I DID NOT IN ANYWAY CONDEM OTHERS

FOR A STUPID THING LIKE GIVING FRIES FROM A FAST FOOD PLACE. I STATED

MY OPINION ON IT.....Looks to me like this falls in the catagory of

my opinion doesn't fall into the norm for some and they feel a need

to attack me....I in no way attacked anyone, nor did I say they

should feel " guilty " , that was said by others!!!

Debbie(getting tired of evertime her opinion is like everyone else's,

people send me rude comments)

> Agree.

> -Phyllis

> Re: Re: McD's Fries - Clarified Ingredient

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> >

> > > In a message dated 08/14/2001 10:57:41 AM US Mountain Standard

Time,

> > > debbiejusi@y... writes:

> > >

> > > > Don't worry, I am right there with you on this one. Not even

to

> > > > mention the cross contamination issue and corn problems,you

have the

> > > > fact that it is just LOADED with horrible chemicals, I would

feel

> > > > like I am giving my kids a big vat of liquid poison, YUCK!!!!

No

> > > > thanks, not for me....it just isn't worth it in my opinion to

be able

> > > > to give my son quick convienence food. It is quicker for me

to peel

> > > > the potatoes and bake them myself, I know whats in them, I

didn't

> > > > have to waste my gas going there and waiting in line and then

to be

> > > > served poison in a box and be charged for it OY VEY!!

> > > >

> > > > Debbie

> > > >

> > >

> > > Gee, just make those of us who DO take our kids out for that on

occasion

> > feel

> > > REALLY good about it. Why can't you just say you agree and let

it go at

> > > that? Is there some reason you have to go on and on about it

being

> poison?

> > > Is it the best food available? No, of course not.. But as a

treat

> > > occasionally, we do indulge, and we haven't had any issues with

my son

> > when

> > > he does get them. He has so few 'normal' foods that he can

share

> with

> > > his sister, I am not going to take this away from him as long

as he

> > continues

> > > to do fine with them.

> > >

> > > Married to Dan

> > > Mom to:

> > > Dana (3/4/98)

> > > 36 week preemie, now a spirited 3 y/o

> > > ~~~~~and~~~~~~

> > > (3/26/99)

> > > 33 week preemie, now a 2 y.o. growing boy!

> > > mild-moderate autism/hearing impaired

> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > <A

> >

>

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> > >

August 14, 2001

Phyllis,

I too am sorry, but sorry about your post, I find that rude and

offensive. I WAS NOT and AM NOT being non-supportive. I go to bed

every night, just like everyone else on here and cry because my child

is lost somewhere in this " Autistic " maize. I too have severe medical

issues I deal with concerning my son on a daily basis, as many other

mothers on here do. I also feel my heart break from the depths of my

soul EACH and EVERYTIME I see a new member join onto this list-

serv....WHY you ask, because to me, that means it is yet ANOTHER

family that has to go through this tormented hell the doctors

call " The Autistic Spectrum " . I wouldn't wish my life on even my

worst enemy. I pray DAILY for God to help ALL of the familes

involved, not just mine. My eyes get red and raw, just like many of

you, from crying over the hell my child goes through and will

CONTINUE to go through, and I loose my voice from screaming at the

top of my lungs to every doctor who is blind to dietary advances

PROVEN to help this spectrum disorder.

So if I sound " matter of fact " about stating I was only posting my

opinion...then GOOD, I meant to be. I think if we are bickering back

and forth over something as pityful and worthless as wether or not

you should feel guilty serving your child McD's fries, well, it's a

sad day, because to me, that should be the LEAST of our worries!!!!!!

So if it makes others feel strong and powerful by attacking me over

something they " read " into my post about a trivial issue, then so be

it, but keep in mind, I am no different from all of you, I just spoke

up about a particular issue and obviously didn't word it as others

wanted me to.

Debbie

> > > In a message dated 08/14/2001 10:57:41 AM US Mountain Standard

> > Time,

> > > debbiejusi@y... writes:

> > >

> > > > Don't worry, I am right there with you on this one. Not even

to

> > > > mention the cross contamination issue and corn problems,you

have

> > the

> > > > fact that it is just LOADED with horrible chemicals, I would

feel

> > > > like I am giving my kids a big vat of liquid poison, YUCK!!!!

No

> > > > thanks, not for me....it just isn't worth it in my opinion to

be

> > able

> > > > to give my son quick convienence food. It is quicker for me to

> > peel

> > > > the potatoes and bake them myself, I know whats in them, I

didn't

> > > > have to waste my gas going there and waiting in line and then

to

> > be

> > > > served poison in a box and be charged for it OY VEY!!

> > > >

> > > > Debbie

> > > >

> > >

> > > Gee, just make those of us who DO take our kids out for that on

> > occasion feel

> > > REALLY good about it. Why can't you just say you agree and let

it

> > go at

> > > that? Is there some reason you have to go on and on about it

being

> > poison?

> > > Is it the best food available? No, of course not.. But as a

treat

> > > occasionally, we do indulge, and we haven't had any issues with

my

> > son when

> > > he does get them. He has so few 'normal' foods that he can

> > share with

> > > his sister, I am not going to take this away from him as long

as he

> > continues

> > > to do fine with them.

> > >

> > > Married to Dan

> > > Mom to:

> > > Dana (3/4/98)

> > > 36 week preemie, now a spirited 3 y/o

> > > ~~~~~and~~~~~~

> > > (3/26/99)

> > > 33 week preemie, now a 2 y.o. growing boy!

> > > mild-moderate autism/hearing impaired

> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > <A

> >

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> > >

August 14, 2001

Sharon,

Again I thank you for that...this isn't the first time I have had

this happen and yes it too resulted over an opinion.....I saved each

email and even after I have been on this list as long as I have, I

still consider leaving because of this. I just cannot understand why

others, not all mind you, feel the need to just attack you at the

slightest statement that doesn't agree with their forum. It saddens

me, especially when I know in my heart I meant nothing ill, heck, I

go to a tanning bed daily.......my doctor has told me ALL the

ramifacations about it, but I still choose to do it. It is my choice,

I agree with others who know not to go (wink...notice how I still am

choosing to go heehee), but for me, it is a little pleasure get away.

I don't now, nor have I ever felt guilty about it. It is a personal

choice.

Debbie

> Debbie:

> Sorry that people are sending nasty e-mails. The moderators

need to

> step in now before we lose the group. This group is a vital

lifeline for me

> and we can all share in each others pain and sorry not belittle

someone for

> making a comment.

> Sharon

>

August 14, 2001

Phyllis,

Sorry to disappoint you, I am under no more stress than you

are....same situations, just different families. I am making a

point.....please re-read my post.....my point is...because I didn't

conform to how others feel about a particular issue, I got hate mail

and slammed and I am sure this topic will light up the list-serv for

a few days, these kind always do. I am again stating, that was and is

my opinion, I am sorry others feel guilty about the choices they

make, I personally don't feel they should feel guilty about anything.

It is a matter of what people prefer. I am stating that thier is no

sad hidden message behind my last post....I am just trying to make it

clear that while evryone is in the process of stoning me, they may

want to take a look into the mirror....I am just like them and

suffering the same fate they are.....I stated an opinion,people

didn't like it and turned. How sad to turn on your own.

Sorry,no couch needed here.

Debbie

> > > > > In a message dated 08/14/2001 10:57:41 AM US Mountain

Standard

> > > > Time,

> > > > > debbiejusi@y... writes:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Don't worry, I am right there with you on this one. Not

even

> > to

> > > > > > mention the cross contamination issue and corn

problems,you

> > have

> > > > the

> > > > > > fact that it is just LOADED with horrible chemicals, I

would

> > feel

> > > > > > like I am giving my kids a big vat of liquid poison,

YUCK!!!!

> > No

> > > > > > thanks, not for me....it just isn't worth it in my

opinion to

> > be

> > > > able

> > > > > > to give my son quick convienence food. It is quicker for

me to

> > > > peel

> > > > > > the potatoes and bake them myself, I know whats in them, I

> > didn't

> > > > > > have to waste my gas going there and waiting in line and

then

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > served poison in a box and be charged for it OY VEY!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Debbie

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Gee, just make those of us who DO take our kids out for

that on

> > > > occasion feel

> > > > > REALLY good about it. Why can't you just say you agree and

let

> > it

> > > > go at

> > > > > that? Is there some reason you have to go on and on about it

> > being

> > > > poison?

> > > > > Is it the best food available? No, of course not.. But as a

> > treat

> > > > > occasionally, we do indulge, and we haven't had any issues

with

> > my

> > > > son when

> > > > > he does get them. He has so few 'normal' foods that he

can

> > > > share with

> > > > > his sister, I am not going to take this away from him as

long

> > as he

> > > > continues

> > > > > to do fine with them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Married to Dan

> > > > > Mom to:

> > > > > Dana (3/4/98)

> > > > > 36 week preemie, now a spirited 3 y/o

> > > > > ~~~~~and~~~~~~

> > > > > (3/26/99)

> > > > > 33 week preemie, now a 2 y.o. growing boy!

> > > > > mild-moderate autism/hearing impaired

> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > > <A

> > > >

> >

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> > > > ly.freeservers.com</A>

> > > > >

August 14, 2001

WOW, I guess I was taken back alittle bit by this but I think GOD is

watching over all us with Autistic children. As well as them without

special needs children. However us as parents because of our beloved

little ones have had to learn just want garbage we are putting in our

bodies. I once was the type of mom that would buy what was ever on

sale. NOT ANY MORE. I look at all ingredients. It is know wonder

why so many die of cancer when u look at what we are putting in our

bodies at alarming rate. Since our son was diagnosed with Autism in

May of this year even I have lost weight just watching and eatting

better healthy foods. This is a hard thing that we are all going

through. I pray for all of us to get along and be supportive of each

other. God Bless You All.

> > > > > In a message dated 08/14/2001 10:57:41 AM US Mountain

Standard

> > > > Time,

> > > > > debbiejusi@y... writes:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Don't worry, I am right there with you on this one. Not

even

> > to

> > > > > > mention the cross contamination issue and corn

problems,you

> > have

> > > > the

> > > > > > fact that it is just LOADED with horrible chemicals, I

would

> > feel

> > > > > > like I am giving my kids a big vat of liquid poison,

YUCK!!!!

> > No

> > > > > > thanks, not for me....it just isn't worth it in my

opinion to

> > be

> > > > able

> > > > > > to give my son quick convienence food. It is quicker for

me to

> > > > peel

> > > > > > the potatoes and bake them myself, I know whats in them, I

> > didn't

> > > > > > have to waste my gas going there and waiting in line and

then

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > served poison in a box and be charged for it OY VEY!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Debbie

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Gee, just make those of us who DO take our kids out for

that on

> > > > occasion feel

> > > > > REALLY good about it. Why can't you just say you agree and

let

> > it

> > > > go at

> > > > > that? Is there some reason you have to go on and on about it

> > being

> > > > poison?

> > > > > Is it the best food available? No, of course not.. But as a

> > treat

> > > > > occasionally, we do indulge, and we haven't had any issues

with

> > my

> > > > son when

> > > > > he does get them. He has so few 'normal' foods that he

can

> > > > share with

> > > > > his sister, I am not going to take this away from him as

long

> > as he

> > > > continues

> > > > > to do fine with them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Married to Dan

> > > > > Mom to:

> > > > > Dana (3/4/98)

> > > > > 36 week preemie, now a spirited 3 y/o

> > > > > ~~~~~and~~~~~~

> > > > > (3/26/99)

> > > > > 33 week preemie, now a 2 y.o. growing boy!

> > > > > mild-moderate autism/hearing impaired

> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > > <A

> > > >

> >

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> > > > ly.freeservers.com</A>

> > > > >

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