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In a message dated 09/03/2001 6:44:43 PM Central Daylight Time,

lilhandsdc@... writes:

> I have noticed my face has a different texture to it. Rougher. I had

> severe dehydration right after surgery and my skin got very dry and

> flakey. I use lotion all the time and now my skin is softer than it

> was before surgery but my face is still rough. If anyone has any

> suggestions I'd like to hear them, too.

> Micky

>

I had this for a while also. It was almost like micro-mini pimples all over.

Using a scrub type wash helped like Capri Apricot Facial scrub. It seemed

to help sluff off some of the roughness. Sometimes taking more vitamin A

helps. I know Dr. Hess often recommends taking an extra allergy A & D if you

have blemish problems. Mine did get better. I think it is a phase a lot of

us go through. The rapid weight loss does weird but not lasting things at

times.

Hope this helps!

Dawn

Dr. Hess, Bowling Green, OH

BPD/DS

4/27/00

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Has anyone noticedtheir skin,especially face, becoming very dry?>>>>>

Hi Joann,

Yes the skin on my legs are very dry.......Ive started to use baby oil on

them every day now after my shower and occasionally lotion....Im also

starting to eat more olive oil in my diet for this.....

It hasnt affected my face or arms though....

Judie

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I have noticed my face has a different texture to it. Rougher. I had

severe dehydration right after surgery and my skin got very dry and

flakey. I use lotion all the time and now my skin is softer than it

was before surgery but my face is still rough. If anyone has any

suggestions I'd like to hear them, too.

Micky

> Hi everyone. Just thought I'd let you know I've been trying

ProCeland really enjoy it. Like someone already said 5 grams just

keep onadding up. It really has no taste. I add it to Crystal

Light,put itbetween peanut butter & celery and especially in eggs.

The ideas arereally limitless because of the no taste factor. Now for

myquestions. I have faith in you group so here goes. 1. How long do

wehave to fear getting a hernia? I had DS open. 2. Has anyone

noticedtheir skin,especially face, becoming very dry? 3. What have

you donefor gas pains? Sometimes I have gas very bad in the late

afternoonsand it can get painful at time. Thanks for your time. Jo

Ann M. Dr.K 7/27/01

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In a message dated 9/3/01 7:31:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, chey2u2@...

writes:

> I do not think I am lactose intolerant. I seldom drink milk and I do not

> seem to have the problems with cheese, cottage cheese, or sour cream. It

> seems to happen with certain veggies and meats. Chicken nearly kills me.

>

Breads for me are giving me HORRIBLE gas....

~~* AJ *~~

Age 37 5'8''

Post op 7/24/01 Open BPD/DS

self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain

07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1

08/06/01 BMI 59 390.2 -24.9 lbs! -10.75 inches

08/16/01 BMI 58 387.0 -28.1 lbs! -11.25 inches

08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs! -15.5 inches

08/30/01 BMI 58 378.3 -36.8 lbs! -21.25 inches

My personal website: www.WLS4AJ.homestead.com

Check out the Bellingham Support Group at WWW.WLSBellingham.homestead.com

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My skin was extremely dry for about 3 months post op then normalized.

I was told if your surgery was open it would be likely you would have a

hernia. The doctor should know about it by now though.

If you figure out how to rid yourself of gas and bloating in the afternoon

please share because I do not know myself but suffer from that too.

Angels hover ever near,

DS 4/11/01

Bowel obstruction 4/21/01

Dr Deveney @ OHSU

Starting wt 282

Current wt 222

Odds & Ends

> Hi everyone. Just thought I'd let you know I've been trying ProCeland

really enjoy it. Like someone already said 5 grams just keep onadding up. It

really has no taste. I add it to Crystal Light,put itbetween peanut butter &

celery and especially in eggs. The ideas arereally limitless because of the

no taste factor. Now for myquestions. I have faith in you group so here

goes. 1. How long do wehave to fear getting a hernia? I had DS open. 2.

Has anyone noticedtheir skin,especially face, becoming very dry? 3. What

have you donefor gas pains? Sometimes I have gas very bad in the late

afternoonsand it can get painful at time. Thanks for your time. Jo Ann M.

Dr.K 7/27/01

>

>

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cynthia,

you could be lactose intolerant as far as the gas goes.

Ive had 3 abominal surgeries and never got one hernia! I must have very

strong abdominal muscles! (or else the surgeon did a dang good job!)

Judie

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Judie,

The surgeon could be the key. Also I was left open for about 20 days.

I do not think I am lactose intolerant. I seldom drink milk and I do not

seem to have the problems with cheese, cottage cheese, or sour cream. It

seems to happen with certain veggies and meats. Chicken nearly kills me.

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> cynthia,

> you could be lactose intolerant as far as the gas goes.

> Ive had 3 abominal surgeries and never got one hernia! I must have very

> strong abdominal muscles! (or else the surgeon did a dang good job!)

>

> Judie

>

>

>

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Mine is more like an extra layer of rough skin. I use Capri Apricot

Scrub all the time. And moisturize every night. It doesn't do any

good. I guess time will just have to be the cure. Thanks for your

experience. :)

Micky

> In a message dated 09/03/2001 6:44:43 PM Central Daylight Time,

> lilhandsdc@t... writes:

>

>

> > I have noticed my face has a different texture to it. Rougher. I

had

> > severe dehydration right after surgery and my skin got very dry

and

> > flakey. I use lotion all the time and now my skin is softer than

it

> > was before surgery but my face is still rough. If anyone has any

> > suggestions I'd like to hear them, too.

> > Micky

> >

>

> I had this for a while also. It was almost like micro-mini pimples

all over.

> Using a scrub type wash helped like Capri Apricot Facial scrub.

It seemed

> to help sluff off some of the roughness. Sometimes taking more

vitamin A

> helps. I know Dr. Hess often recommends taking an extra allergy

A & D if you

> have blemish problems. Mine did get better. I think it is a phase

a lot of

> us go through. The rapid weight loss does weird but not lasting

things at

> times.

>

> Hope this helps!

>

> Dawn

> Dr. Hess, Bowling Green, OH

> BPD/DS

> 4/27/00

> www.duodenalswitch.com

> 267 to 165

> size 22 to size 10

> have made size goal

> no more high blood pressure, sore feet, or dieting!

>

>

>

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> Mine is more like an extra layer of rough skin. I use Capri Apricot

> Scrub all the time. And moisturize every night. It doesn't do any

> good. I guess time will just have to be the cure. Thanks for your

> experience. :)

> Micky

Have you tried Clinique's yellow moisturizer? It's fantastic for dry skin

and doesn't cause pimples or zits.

alyssa

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Judie,

Yes those veggies do me in for sure. I drink milk maybe once every other

month. I am not a milk drinker though I do love dairy. I ate green pepper

tonight and that will usually put air in my belly.

Cynce

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> Cynth......what about broccoli, califlower, cabbage, etc.....those are

gassy

> veggies. You know, I can tolerate sour cream and cottage cheese but not

> milk.....

>

>

> Judie

>

>

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>

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My belly is full of air tonight this is what I ate...

ground beef with onion, green pepper and mushrooms, seasoned with garlic and

chili powder & cayenne pepper all wrapped in a flour tortilla with a small

side salad.

It always seems to happen at night. In the morning is all goes away until

after dinner. Am I freak or what?

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> In a message dated 9/3/01 7:31:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

chey2u2@...

> writes:

>

>

> > I do not think I am lactose intolerant. I seldom drink milk and I do not

> > seem to have the problems with cheese, cottage cheese, or sour cream. It

> > seems to happen with certain veggies and meats. Chicken nearly kills me.

> >

>

> Breads for me are giving me HORRIBLE gas....

>

> ~~* AJ *~~

> Age 37 5'8''

> Post op 7/24/01 Open BPD/DS

> self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain

> 07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1

> 08/06/01 BMI 59 390.2 -24.9 lbs! -10.75 inches

> 08/16/01 BMI 58 387.0 -28.1 lbs! -11.25 inches

> 08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs! -15.5 inches

> 08/30/01 BMI 58 378.3 -36.8 lbs! -21.25 inches

>

> My personal website: www.WLS4AJ.homestead.com

>

> Check out the Bellingham Support Group at

WWW.WLSBellingham.homestead.com

>

>

>

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> Judie,

> Yes those veggies do me in for sure. I drink milk maybe once every

other

> month. I am not a milk drinker though I do love dairy. I ate green

pepper

> tonight and that will usually put air in my belly.

> Cynce

Fruit does that to me, makes me FULL of air!

BTW, for those looking for protein alternatives, I tried the Atkins

Chocolate shake today and tolerated it well. Even though they are

expensive the ready to drink one didn't have any of that powder taste.

Open DS with Dr. Anthone 7/6/01

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Nope, you're no freak.. I used to have horrible, room-clearing gas..

started at ~ 7:30-8PM, ended some time in the wee hours of the AM.

WHY, I don't know. I was given Flagyl for my gas troubles, & it

worked great.. I don't have anygas except with BMs now. If you don't

want to take Flagyl, you might try megadoses of live-culture yogurt

and acidophilus to " overwhelm " the gas- producing bacteria.. also

Beano (which did nada for me preop) does(or did, pre-Flagyl..) help

when I eat onions, cabbage, broccoli, or any other gas-prone veggies.

Also, you can " degas " beans when cooking them.. boil them for 15

minutes with 1/4 cup baking soda added to the water.. then rinse &

cook as usual. If you have time, you can also soak w/baking soda in

the water overnight, too. I used to do this preop, because beans gave

me terrible gas. Haven't cooked beans yet postop..

Hope some of this helps-

Hugs,

Liane

> My belly is full of air tonight this is what I ate...

> ground beef with onion, green pepper and mushrooms, seasoned with

garlic and

> chili powder & cayenne pepper all wrapped in a flour tortilla with a

small

> side salad.

> It always seems to happen at night. In the morning is all goes away

until

> after dinner. Am I freak or what?

>

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> Breads for me are giving me HORRIBLE gas....

>

> ~~* AJ *~~

AJ-

sounds like you're gluten sensitive.. the only way out is to either

avoid bread, period.. or get spelt bread at the health food

stores(Whole foods sells a variety of spelt breads). Spelt bread is

made from sprouted grain, and for some reason doesn't trigger gluten

sensitivities.

gosh.. there's ONE problem I don't have.. YAY!!

Anyhoo- hope this helps...

Hugs,

Liane

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I am a spice-aholic. I love things hot and spicy. I guess it is something I

will have to learn to live with if it is the spice cause I am not willing to

give that up too.

Angels hover ever near,

DS 4/11/01

Bowel obstruction 4/21/01

Dr Deveney @ OHSU

Starting wt 282

Current wt 222

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> Many post op DS folks can't tolerate the spices they could pre op.

> Also some folk have gas with mushrooms. The onion, green pepper,

> chili powder, and cayenne are all likely villians here.

>

> Mu spice hot seasoning loving post op DS daughter complains about not

> being able to tolerate these foods post op. I never could.

>

> in Seattle

>

>

>

> > My belly is full of air tonight this is what I ate...

> > ground beef with onion, green pepper and mushrooms, seasoned with

> garlic and

> > chili powder & cayenne pepper all wrapped in a flour tortilla with

> a small

> > side salad.

> > It always seems to happen at night. In the morning is all goes away

> until

> > after dinner. Am I freak or what?

> >

>

>

>

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It's funny how we all had the DS but each of us is so different. I do not

eat ice cream anymore. It takes too sweet to me now.

Cynce

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> Cynce,

> I can eat peppers with no problem but milk will do me in so I avoid it at

> all times. Im not a milk drinker either. I used to add it to my frappe

mix

> but now I just use ice and water in the blender.

> I love onions but they give me heart burn sometimes. A little broccoli is

> ok.....cabbage is OUT LOL And I dont like ice cream anymore so thats out

> too. Yogurt is ok sometimes but Im not a yogurt fan.....

>

> Judie

>

>

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Great Judie, I will try that.

BTW I see that surgeon tomorrow afternoon about my Ethel.

Cynce

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> It always seems to happen at night. In the morning is all goes away until

> after dinner. Am I freak or what?

> >>>

>

> Not at all Cynce.....lay off the onions and green peppers and see what

> happens. I used to get gas really bad in the late afternoon and it would

> run all the way to midnight or so.......I would fart up like you wouldnt

> believe! And they were looooooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggg farts too!

> You might want to go to Wal Mart and get some Fiber Choice....that seems

to

> work well for some! (gets rid of the smell too)

>

> Hugs, Judie

>

>

>

>

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I used to LOVE ice cream....my fav was jamocha almond fudge loaded with

marshmellow sauce and nuts and I could eat that every day for years!

Suddenly, after surgery I didnt like ice cream anymore! Amazing isnt it,

? We have something in common now!

Judie

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Liane,

Thank you for the information. I think I will ask Deveney about the Flagyl.

The other things sound like good ideas. Never heard of the bean trick. It is

good to know.

Angels hover ever near,

DS 4/11/01

Bowel obstruction 4/21/01

Dr Deveney @ OHSU

Starting wt 282

Current wt 222

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> -

> Nope, you're no freak.. I used to have horrible, room-clearing gas..

> started at ~ 7:30-8PM, ended some time in the wee hours of the AM.

> WHY, I don't know. I was given Flagyl for my gas troubles, & it

> worked great.. I don't have anygas except with BMs now. If you don't

> want to take Flagyl, you might try megadoses of live-culture yogurt

> and acidophilus to " overwhelm " the gas- producing bacteria.. also

> Beano (which did nada for me preop) does(or did, pre-Flagyl..) help

> when I eat onions, cabbage, broccoli, or any other gas-prone veggies.

> Also, you can " degas " beans when cooking them.. boil them for 15

> minutes with 1/4 cup baking soda added to the water.. then rinse &

> cook as usual. If you have time, you can also soak w/baking soda in

> the water overnight, too. I used to do this preop, because beans gave

> me terrible gas. Haven't cooked beans yet postop..

> Hope some of this helps-

> Hugs,

> Liane

>

>

> > My belly is full of air tonight this is what I ate...

> > ground beef with onion, green pepper and mushrooms, seasoned with

> garlic and

> > chili powder & cayenne pepper all wrapped in a flour tortilla with a

> small

> > side salad.

> > It always seems to happen at night. In the morning is all goes away

> until

> > after dinner. Am I freak or what?

> >

>

>

>

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I will keep you in prayer tomorrow that all goes well with you and Ethel!

(I need to develop a Lucy LOL)

Drop me a line when you get home and let me know how it went.....

Judie

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I asked Dr Welker about putting Mike on Flagyl as I could not stand the

smell anymore and he had horrendous gas and since he has lost his sense of

smell Im the only one who can smell the darn stuff, so......Welker said

yeah, go ahead and ask your pcp to call the pharmacy for prescription. No

luck......our pcp doesnt know squat about why flagyl is used for baritatric

patients etc so I emailed Welker back and told him what happened and he

called the pharmacy himself to get it filled for us.......Now, life is back

to normal......Thank goodness for Flagyl! It kills off most of the bad

bacteria that multiply rapdily in the gut and you must take acidolphilus or

eat yogurt with live cultures in it twice a day to repopulate the gut with

the good guys. And then go easy on the carbs and sweets as those are what

the bad guys love to feed on!

Judie

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No, I haven't. Thanks! I'll check it out!

Micky

>

> Re: Odds & Ends

>

>

> > Mine is more like an extra layer of rough skin. I use Capri

Apricot

> > Scrub all the time. And moisturize every night. It doesn't do any

> > good. I guess time will just have to be the cure. Thanks for your

> > experience. :)

> > Micky

>

> Have you tried Clinique's yellow moisturizer? It's fantastic for

dry skin

> and doesn't cause pimples or zits.

>

> alyssa

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You're not a freak! I'm the same way. By night time I'm gurgling and

tooting the night away! LOL! I just think in the morning we've had

all night to digest every last morsle and then we start eating again

and build it up. Plus some of the foods we eat add to it. Probably

your green peppers.

Micky

> My belly is full of air tonight this is what I ate...

> ground beef with onion, green pepper and mushrooms, seasoned with

garlic and

> chili powder & cayenne pepper all wrapped in a flour tortilla with

a small

> side salad.

> It always seems to happen at night. In the morning is all goes away

until

> after dinner. Am I freak or what?

>

> Re: Odds & Ends

>

>

> > In a message dated 9/3/01 7:31:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> chey2u2@h...

> > writes:

> >

> >

> > > I do not think I am lactose intolerant. I seldom drink milk and

I do not

> > > seem to have the problems with cheese, cottage cheese, or sour

cream. It

> > > seems to happen with certain veggies and meats. Chicken nearly

kills me.

> > >

> >

> > Breads for me are giving me HORRIBLE gas....

> >

> > ~~* AJ *~~

> > Age 37 5'8''

> > Post op 7/24/01 Open BPD/DS

> > self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain

> > 07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1

> > 08/06/01 BMI 59 390.2 -24.9 lbs! -10.75 inches

> > 08/16/01 BMI 58 387.0 -28.1 lbs! -11.25 inches

> > 08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs! -15.5 inches

> > 08/30/01 BMI 58 378.3 -36.8 lbs! -21.25 inches

> >

> > My personal website: www.WLS4AJ.homestead.com

> >

> > Check out the Bellingham Support Group at

> WWW.WLSBellingham.homestead.com

> >

> >

> >

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I was Flagyl to try to clear up my diarrhea. I developed a metal tate

in my mouth. Did this happen to Mike? Or anyone else?

Micky

> ,

> I asked Dr Welker about putting Mike on Flagyl as I could not stand

the

> smell anymore and he had horrendous gas and since he has lost his

sense of

> smell Im the only one who can smell the darn stuff, so......Welker

said

> yeah, go ahead and ask your pcp to call the pharmacy for

prescription. No

> luck......our pcp doesnt know squat about why flagyl is used for

baritatric

> patients etc so I emailed Welker back and told him what happened

and he

> called the pharmacy himself to get it filled for us.......Now, life

is back

> to normal......Thank goodness for Flagyl! It kills off most of the

bad

> bacteria that multiply rapdily in the gut and you must take

acidolphilus or

> eat yogurt with live cultures in it twice a day to repopulate the

gut with

> the good guys. And then go easy on the carbs and sweets as those

are what

> the bad guys love to feed on!

>

> Judie

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