Re: Hi I am new

[Guest guest]

Diane,

I am so so sorry for your loss. I think you will find the people on this

list to be very caring and helpful.

Just throw some questions out there and people will respond to you.

My heart and prayers are here for you.

Angels hover ever near,

DS 4/11/01

Bowel obstruction 4/21/01

Dr Deveney @ OHSU

Starting wt 282

Current wt 222

Hi I am new

> I just joined and no I am not pre or post op DS My husband Larry

> Young had DS July 30th and passed away Aug 9th....I joined this list

> to learn about what should have happened during his stay in the

> hospital.

> I hope me joining isnt a problem.

> ~Dianne

>

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Dianne, you are more than welcome here. I'm so sorry for your loss!

Anything we can help you with, just ask.

Micky

> I just joined and no I am not pre or post op DS My husband Larry

> Young had DS July 30th and passed away Aug 9th....I joined this

list

> to learn about what should have happened during his stay in the

> hospital.

> I hope me joining isnt a problem.

> ~Dianne

[Guest guest]

At 1:25 AM +0000 9/3/01, Dianne Young wrote:

>I just joined and no I am not pre or post op DS My husband Larry

>Young had DS July 30th and passed away Aug 9th....I joined this list

>to learn about what should have happened during his stay in the

>hospital.

>I hope me joining isnt a problem.

>~Dianne

Welcome, Diane. We were all saddened and shocked about Larry's

death. If you look at the Duodenalswitch archives at

http://groups.yahoo.com and search on Larry Young, you will see all

the correspondence. Briefly, we wondered if his surgeon should have

(1) brought up the DS all of a sudden without giving Larry a chance

to learn about it right before surgery; (2) should have attempted his

very first DS operation on a very high-risk person as

super-morbidly-obese as Larry was, and (3) if we should have raised

an uproar on the list advising Larry not to do it with an

inexperienced DS surgeon and not without more consults about the DS.

Of course it would have been hard for us to raise a din, because

Larry had not been a list member until the very last moment. But,

the topic echoed for weeks, and touched all of us to the quick.

I hope that you are pulling your life together and finding peace,

Diane. Check in whenever you think that any of us can help.

Best wishes,

Steve

--

[Guest guest]

Dianne, welcome to the List. I am so sorry for your

loss, though. I hope you get the answers to your

questions here.

dee

313/54 BMI

Want to have surgery

--- Dianne Young

wrote:

> I just joined and no I am not pre or post op DS My

> husband Larry

> Young had DS July 30th and passed away Aug 9th....I

> joined this list

> to learn about what should have happened during his

> stay in the

> hospital.

> I hope me joining isnt a problem.

> ~Dianne

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/3/01 7:07:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, andem4@...

writes:

> . My BMI was about 40 pre-op, so I was considered a " light-

> weight " for surgery. I am also 32, which I was told was younger for

> surgery and put me at lower risks. Regardless of all of that, all

> precautions were still used in the hospital. The leg massagers were

> on my legs constantly unless I was walking. Until I could walk on my

> own, the staff walked me up and down the halls at least every 3

> hours.

My BMI was 64 but I didnt have any of the above stuff. I was up and out of

bed about 3 hours after surgery and made to go to the bathroom. It was very

tiring but I did it and then spent the rest of the night in bed (My surgery

was at 3pm). The following days I was encouraged to walk as much as

possible. The hardest part was getting out of bed without alot of pain.

Once I was standing, I would walk the halls over and over. I didn't have any

leg massagers, etc. I'm sure they help but are not required for good post op

recovery. I was released after 5 days. I did get heparin everyday for the

first 5 days. I'm sure there are many ways to be treated post op - but the

one constant is to keep moving. I think in your situation, I'd be interested

in WHY they were not making Larry walk more than once a day....everywhere you

go, everything you read talks about mobility. If he had a hard time walking,

they should have arranged more PT for him especially in the first days after

surgery.

~~* AJ *~~

Age 37 5'8''

Post op 7/24/01 Open BPD/DS

self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain

07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1

08/06/01 BMI 59 390.2 -24.9 lbs! -10.75 inches

08/16/01 BMI 58 387.0 -28.1 lbs! -11.25 inches

08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs! -15.5 inches

08/30/01 BMI 58 378.3 -36.8 lbs! -21.25 inches

My personal website: www.WLS4AJ.homestead.com

Check out the Bellingham Support Group at WWW.WLSBellingham.homestead.com

[Guest guest]

Diane,

I am very sorry for your loss. I had my DS surgery on July 19 with

Dr. Hares. I can only say what my experience was, so I hope it

helps. My BMI was about 40 pre-op, so I was considered a " light-

weight " for surgery. I am also 32, which I was told was younger for

surgery and put me at lower risks. Regardless of all of that, all

precautions were still used in the hospital. The leg massagers were

on my legs constantly unless I was walking. Until I could walk on my

own, the staff walked me up and down the halls at least every 3

hours. My doctor made them log when I walked and would question me

each day about walking. When my surgeon was working out of another

hospital, they had problems with the staff not walking the patients

enough. My surgeon would actually walk the patients himself if he

didn't feel they were walked enough. The nurse from the office also

called me for the first several days at home to make sure I was

walking at home. Of course I have no medical training so this is

only my opinion, but it sounds like someone wasn't paying enough

attention to Larry's walking. I hope you find some information in

the medical records that helps.

Kathy M.

DS 7/19/01 Dr. Hares

pre-op 213

current 174

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane,

My deepest heartfelt sympathies to you and your family. Words cannot begin

to express how sorry I am that this happened.

We welcome you to this group with OPEN arms, and whatever we can do to help,

please ASK.

Hugs,

Pam in MD

BPD/DS - July 9, 2001

Dr. Vanguri

[Guest guest]

> Dianne,

>

> Welcome to the list. We are all so sad since we heard of Larry's

> passing. The fact that they wouldn't let him walk is simply

> inexcusable. Any good suregon knows that walking is essential to

> prevent DVT's and PE's, and any good hospital staff should know as

> well. How very tragic. I guess it goes to show that the hospital

can

> play as big a role as the suregon. A 12:1 ratio is astonishing.

>

> Hull

This is why I was so impressed with USC. Their staffing ratio

is 4:1 with an RN and an aide. The 12:1 ratio is more commonplace now

with the nursing shortage at record levels. We (nurses) do our best

but we only have 2 arms and 2 legs. In most cases there are simply no

other nurses to hire.

Open DS with Dr. Anthone 7/6/01

[Guest guest]

I really believe the hospital was negligent....I have requested his records

from the hospital and will see how many times he was ordered to be

walked.....Also Dr. husted's patients normaly go to the 8th floor at baptist but

when Larry was ready to leave SICU there were no beds on 8 so they put him on

the 5th floor (the cardiac floor) I really believe he would have been ok if he

had been on the 8th floor....because they knew what to do and the 5th didnt

Have a beautiful day...

~Dianne

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

" ...We may be a thousand miles apart

But I'll be with you wherever you are

I'm already there

Take a look around

I'm the sunshine in your hair

I'm the shadow on the ground

I'm the whisper in the wind

And I'll be there 'til the end

Can you feel the love that we share

Oh I'm already there

Oh, I'm aleady there "

" ~I'm Already There " by Lonestar

Re: Hi I am new

Dianne,

Welcome to the list. We are all so sad since we heard of Larry's

passing. The fact that they wouldn't let him walk is simply

inexcusable. Any good suregon knows that walking is essential to

prevent DVT's and PE's, and any good hospital staff should know as

well. How very tragic. I guess it goes to show that the hospital can

play as big a role as the suregon. A 12:1 ratio is astonishing.

Hull

> >I just joined and no I am not pre or post op DS My husband Larry

> >Young had DS July 30th and passed away Aug 9th....I joined this

list

> >to learn about what should have happened during his stay in the

> >hospital.

> >I hope me joining isnt a problem.

> >~Dianne

>

> Welcome, Diane. We were all saddened and shocked about Larry's

> death. If you look at the Duodenalswitch archives at

> http://groups.yahoo.com and search on Larry Young, you will see

all

> the correspondence. Briefly, we wondered if his surgeon should

have

> (1) brought up the DS all of a sudden without giving Larry a

chance

> to learn about it right before surgery; (2) should have attempted

his

> very first DS operation on a very high-risk person as

> super-morbidly-obese as Larry was, and (3) if we should have

raised

> an uproar on the list advising Larry not to do it with an

> inexperienced DS surgeon and not without more consults about the

DS.

> Of course it would have been hard for us to raise a din, because

> Larry had not been a list member until the very last moment.

But,

> the topic echoed for weeks, and touched all of us to the quick.

>

> I hope that you are pulling your life together and finding peace,

> Diane. Check in whenever you think that any of us can help.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Steve

> --

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[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group Dianne. I was very sorry to hear of Larry's passing.

Please feel free to post or lurk we are all here to learn, offer assistance or

support. Again welcome.

Lisbeth

Dianne Young wrote: I just joined and no I am

not pre or post op DS My husband Larry

Young had DS July 30th and passed away Aug 9th....I joined this list

to learn about what should have happened during his stay in the

hospital.

I hope me joining isnt a problem.

~Dianne

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[Guest guest]

Dianne,

Welcome...you and your husband have been in my prayers....Larry was very

helpful to me...we chatted in the obesityhelp website chatroom. He was very

insightful and

encouraging....and I appreciate the fact he took the time to answer my

questions....

I hope you find the information you are searching for.....If we could be of

any help...

just let us know..This is a great group of people !

Namaste,

Jordan

Planning for Surgery

Daytona Beach

[Guest guest]

Hmm this email never came to me....anyway I will look at that....if

it says he was non compliant then what...I mean I know he wasnt cuz I

was there every day except 2 days.

Dianne

> I had DS surgery on July 24th I think what you need to look for on

> the

> medical records is if your husband " refused or was noncompliant

> according to

> the nursing staff " in my opinion this is an excuse the nursing

staff

> uses, so

> they don't have to deal with our big asses. An example I was given

> OT in my

> room for my first shower and to be honest it was a very exhausting

> experience.....Not to mention the pain medication made me very

> tired......I

> fell asleep and told my primary nurse that I would go down to PT

> after my

> nap.....She went to lunch I was resting they came into wake me for

> PT I

> guess several times in the 45 minute span.....They reported me as

> refused PT

> and that I was noncompliant.....

> I have to admit that I find your strength and courage refreshing I

> can tell

> you are a person of great character.

> Respectfully,

>

[Guest guest]

While Larry was in SICU ( he was for 3 or 4 days) they didnt get him

up at all I dont think...maybe one time right on the last day he was

in there.....He never went to the bathroom as he still had his

catheter when he was put on the 5th floor..........then he had to ask

to get it taken out. There are so many things I see thinking back

that seem like they were wrong....and I questioned them

then ..........like the fact that the night Larry died we didnt have

a nurse call button....now she was there when it happened but

still........

Dianne

> In a message dated 9/3/01 7:07:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

andem4@a...

> writes:

>

>

> > . My BMI was about 40 pre-op, so I was considered a " light-

> > weight " for surgery. I am also 32, which I was told was younger

for

> > surgery and put me at lower risks. Regardless of all of that,

all

> > precautions were still used in the hospital. The leg massagers

were

> > on my legs constantly unless I was walking. Until I could walk

on my

> > own, the staff walked me up and down the halls at least every 3

> > hours.

>

> My BMI was 64 but I didnt have any of the above stuff. I was up

and out of

> bed about 3 hours after surgery and made to go to the bathroom. It

was very

> tiring but I did it and then spent the rest of the night in bed (My

surgery

> was at 3pm). The following days I was encouraged to walk as much

as

> possible. The hardest part was getting out of bed without alot of

pain.

> Once I was standing, I would walk the halls over and over. I

didn't have any

> leg massagers, etc. I'm sure they help but are not required for

good post op

> recovery. I was released after 5 days. I did get heparin everyday

for the

> first 5 days. I'm sure there are many ways to be treated post op -

but the

> one constant is to keep moving. I think in your situation, I'd be

interested

> in WHY they were not making Larry walk more than once a

day....everywhere you

> go, everything you read talks about mobility. If he had a hard

time walking,

> they should have arranged more PT for him especially in the first

days after

> surgery.

>

> ~~* AJ *~~

> Age 37 5'8''

> Post op 7/24/01 Open BPD/DS

> self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain

> 07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1

> 08/06/01 BMI 59 390.2 -24.9 lbs! -10.75 inches

> 08/16/01 BMI 58 387.0 -28.1 lbs! -11.25 inches

> 08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs! -15.5 inches

> 08/30/01 BMI 58 378.3 -36.8 lbs! -21.25 inches

>

> My personal website: www.WLS4AJ.homestead.com

>

> Check out the Bellingham Support Group at

WWW.WLSBellingham.homestead.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

OK heres the story of Larry's last hours as I witnessed it.

at about 10 Larry told me he didnt care what the nurses said he wanted to get up

to go to the bathroom.he had gas and wasnt sure yet abt gas or BMs...so he sent

me off to get a nurse because they said not to get him up with out one... She

came but decided that while he was up and in a wheel chair ( wouldnt let him

walk) she would change the packing on his wound (he had an infection in the

lower 4 or so inches of the insicion)...by then it was dripping blood.....by

10:30 he was finally in the bathroom but couldnt move his bowels or even pass

some gas....he was in alot of pain from the gas and was back in bed by 11pm.

at midnight he asked me to page Dr. Husted's nurse....I reminded him of the time

and he said " PLease Dianne call her this hurts so bad... " So I did....she ended

up having Husted call me...he asked about the pain and asked how Larry's

breathing was....he decided to come out...that took abt 45 minutes........

around one am Dr. husted came in and ordered blood gasses.........which were

done pretty fast ...Husted ordered them because as he said he wasnt concerned

about the gas but how Larry was breathing...shorth and shallow..(which I thought

was because he was in pain).the blood gasses were fine and showed no

pnuemonia....so he told the nurse to give Larry his sleeping med (Ambien)

because Larry hadnt slept a whole night since he had surgery( he kept having

flashbacks of being tied down in SICU)...told him to work on breathing in thru

his nose and out thru his mouth...and that he'd check on him first when he did

rounds. By then it was abt 2 or so....probably 2 30 atleast....at abt 245 Larry

finally was able to release some gas....(something He never had a problem with

before Ü) and he said " if I could do that again I would feel great " so I said go

for it....and he did except this time he had a BM...so he sent me off to get the

nurse to change the bed....

by now it was almost 3 am....the nurse came in and started to change the sheet

under him...when she laid him flat he started gasping " I cant breathe.I cant

breathe...put me up! " so they did.....the nurse asked him to let her know when

he had caught his breath and they would start again.......he looked over at me

and said " Dianne I will love you forever " and then told the nurse " ok , I am ready

put me back, I am ready " ...she did.and the moment my Larry was flat his

beautiful blue eyes glazed over and he started turning purple....I was sitting

there saying " Larry dont you leave me...but in my mind I knew he was

gone..........they worked on him for abt 50 minutes.used 3 crash carts and

shocked him 4 times.....I know this because I wouldnt leave him.....I knew when

they started asking who the attending was that they were wanting to call his

time of death...still couldnt leave.....When Dr. Husted got there he talked to

several of the people (there were 20 to 30 people in the room) and came over and

asked me to go with one of the nurses.....so I did....then after I called Larrys

brother ..Dr. Husted came in to tell me my Larry was gone....he asked if he

could call anyone to be with me and I asked for his nurse who was one of

Larry's favorite people....she got their not 10 minutes later and held me for a

long time.....it took his family 4 hrs to get there and she stayed with me the

whole time....

Have a beautiful day...

~Dianne

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

" ...We may be a thousand miles apart

But I'll be with you wherever you are

I'm already there

Take a look around

I'm the sunshine in your hair

I'm the shadow on the ground

I'm the whisper in the wind

And I'll be there 'til the end

Can you feel the love that we share

Oh I'm already there

Oh, I'm aleady there "

" ~I'm Already There " by Lonestar

Re: Re: Hi I am new

Dianne,

I hope asking you this isnt too personal or upsetting to you but when it

happened was there any warning? Heavy breathing or gasping? Didnt the

nurse get help??

Judie

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[Guest guest]

Oh Diane, I'm crying so hard right now... I'm so very

sorry about what happened. When Larry looked at you

and said he loved you, I wonder if he knew at that

time that he was being called to heaven. To think his

last words were of his love for you...

dee

--- Larry and Dianne

wrote:

> OK heres the story of Larry's last hours as I

> witnessed it.

>

> at about 10 Larry told me he didnt care what the

> nurses said he wanted to get up to go to the

> bathroom.he had gas and wasnt sure yet abt gas or

> BMs...so he sent me off to get a nurse because they

> said not to get him up with out one... She came but

> decided that while he was up and in a wheel chair (

> wouldnt let him walk) she would change the packing

> on his wound (he had an infection in the lower 4 or

> so inches of the insicion)...by then it was dripping

> blood.....by 10:30 he was finally in the bathroom

> but couldnt move his bowels or even pass some

> gas....he was in alot of pain from the gas and was

> back in bed by 11pm.

>

> at midnight he asked me to page Dr. Husted's

> nurse....I reminded him of the time and he said

> " PLease Dianne call her this hurts so bad... " So I

> did....she ended up having Husted call me...he asked

> about the pain and asked how Larry's breathing

> was....he decided to come out...that took abt 45

> minutes........

>

> around one am Dr. husted came in and ordered blood

> gasses.........which were done pretty fast ...Husted

> ordered them because as he said he wasnt concerned

> about the gas but how Larry was breathing...shorth

> and shallow..(which I thought was because he was in

> pain).the blood gasses were fine and showed no

> pnuemonia....so he told the nurse to give Larry his

> sleeping med (Ambien) because Larry hadnt slept a

> whole night since he had surgery( he kept having

> flashbacks of being tied down in SICU)...told him to

> work on breathing in thru his nose and out thru his

> mouth...and that he'd check on him first when he did

> rounds. By then it was abt 2 or so....probably 2 30

> atleast....at abt 245 Larry finally was able to

> release some gas....(something He never had a

> problem with before Ü) and he said " if I could do

> that again I would feel great " so I said go for

> it....and he did except this time he had a BM...so

> he sent me off to get the nurse to change the

> bed....

>

> by now it was almost 3 am....the nurse came in and

> started to change the sheet under him...when she

> laid him flat he started gasping " I cant breathe.I

> cant breathe...put me up! " so they did.....the nurse

> asked him to let her know when he had caught his

> breath and they would start again.......he looked

> over at me and said " Dianne I will love you forever "

> and then told the nurse " ok , I am ready put me back,

> I am ready " ...she did.and the moment my Larry was

> flat his beautiful blue eyes glazed over and he

> started turning purple....I was sitting there saying

> " Larry dont you leave me...but in my mind I knew he

> was gone..........they worked on him for abt 50

> minutes.used 3 crash carts and shocked him 4

> times.....I know this because I wouldnt leave

> him.....I knew when they started asking who the

> attending was that they were wanting to call his

> time of death...still couldnt leave.....When Dr.

> Husted got there he talked to several of the people

> (there were 20 to 30 people in the room) and came

> over and asked me to go with one of the

> nurses.....so I did....then after I called Larrys

> brother ..Dr. Husted came in to tell me my Larry was

> gone....he asked if he could call anyone to be with

> me and I asked for his nurse who was one of

> Larry's favorite people....she got their not 10

> minutes later and held me for a long time.....it

> took his family 4 hrs to get there and she stayed

> with me the whole time....

>

> Have a beautiful day...

> ~Dianne

> ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

> " ...We may be a thousand miles apart

> But I'll be with you wherever you are

>

> I'm already there

> Take a look around

> I'm the sunshine in your hair

> I'm the shadow on the ground

> I'm the whisper in the wind

> And I'll be there 'til the end

> Can you feel the love that we share

> Oh I'm already there

>

> Oh, I'm aleady there "

>

> " ~I'm Already There " by Lonestar

> Re: Re: Hi I am new

>

>

> Dianne,

> I hope asking you this isnt too personal or

> upsetting to you but when it

> happened was there any warning? Heavy breathing

> or gasping? Didnt the

> nurse get help??

>

> Judie

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Dianne,

It sounds like Larry had a premonition that he was going to die....Just by

telling you that he would love you forever, he knew.

Nobody knows why these things happen. Larry died trying to better his life

and where he is now, he is FREE......hes free from his excess weight and the

problems that go along with it. I know it doesnt make you feel any better

knowing these things but Im certain Larry would not want you to keep

grieving for him.

Your life was made better by just knowing Larry and being with him all these

years. He brought love, life and laughter to your life and Im certain you

will always remember the good times you had.

I wish you luck in your investigation in trying to get to the bottom of

Larrys death.

You know, even if they had gotten Larry up and walking he could have still

had the embolism. There was one fella who was 11 weeks out who also died

from a PE......just something that happened even with all the precautions

that were taken.

Thank you for sharing what happened, Dianne......

Hugs, Judie

[Guest guest]

you know as I typed most of that I was fine...but when I get to the end...I

still bawl....He told me he loved me all the time...its like I tell

people...Larry gave me enought love in our 4 years to make up for the love I

never had before him and for the rest of my life...........and for the longest

time before his surgery he kept saying dont forget how much I love you....and I

would say well how can I you keep telling me....I really have been so

blessed.........but sometimes I get pretty selfish and just want him back.

Have a beautiful day...

~Dianne

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

" ...We may be a thousand miles apart

But I'll be with you wherever you are

I'm already there

Take a look around

I'm the sunshine in your hair

I'm the shadow on the ground

I'm the whisper in the wind

And I'll be there 'til the end

Can you feel the love that we share

Oh I'm already there

Oh, I'm aleady there "

" ~I'm Already There " by Lonestar

Re: Re: Hi I am new

>

>

> Dianne,

> I hope asking you this isnt too personal or

> upsetting to you but when it

> happened was there any warning? Heavy breathing

> or gasping? Didnt the

> nurse get help??

>

> Judie

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Perhaps he would have died anyway but y'know...knowing they didnt do all they

should have really makes me wonder....

Have a beautiful day...

~Dianne

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

" ...We may be a thousand miles apart

But I'll be with you wherever you are

I'm already there

Take a look around

I'm the sunshine in your hair

I'm the shadow on the ground

I'm the whisper in the wind

And I'll be there 'til the end

Can you feel the love that we share

Oh I'm already there

Oh, I'm aleady there "

" ~I'm Already There " by Lonestar

Re: Re: Hi I am new

Dianne,

It sounds like Larry had a premonition that he was going to die....Just by

telling you that he would love you forever, he knew.

Nobody knows why these things happen. Larry died trying to better his life

and where he is now, he is FREE......hes free from his excess weight and the

problems that go along with it. I know it doesnt make you feel any better

knowing these things but Im certain Larry would not want you to keep

grieving for him.

Your life was made better by just knowing Larry and being with him all these

years. He brought love, life and laughter to your life and Im certain you

will always remember the good times you had.

I wish you luck in your investigation in trying to get to the bottom of

Larrys death.

You know, even if they had gotten Larry up and walking he could have still

had the embolism. There was one fella who was 11 weeks out who also died

from a PE......just something that happened even with all the precautions

that were taken.

Thank you for sharing what happened, Dianne......

Hugs, Judie

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[Guest guest]

sometimes I get pretty selfish and just want him back.>>>>>

nothing selfish about that, Dianne. Its pretty understandable and any of us

would feel the same way. Larry sounds like he was an angel sent here for a

specific lady and his entire goal was to make your life as happy as it could

be. You are fortunate to have found genunine love......not many people have

such a wonderful relationship like you two had....Cherish that forever!

(((((((((((Dianne)))))))))))))

Hugs, Judie

[Guest guest]

knowing they didnt do all they should have really makes me wonder....>>>>

Yes, and all the more reason to investigate to satisfy your own

curiousity.......I wish you well and pray you get the answers you need for

the healing to begin.......

Hugs, Judie

[Guest guest]

Dianne,

Have they determined the cause of death? The story is heart wrenching and a

bit familiar. Hugs,

Re: Re: Hi I am new

Dianne,

I hope asking you this isnt too personal or upsetting to you but when it

happened was there any warning? Heavy breathing or gasping? Didnt the

nurse get help??

Judie

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[Guest guest]

They said a Pulmonary Embolus....but they didnt do a Autopsy....they asked if I

wanted one...and I remembered Larry say he NEVER wanted one so I said no.

Have a beautiful day...

~Dianne

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

" ...We may be a thousand miles apart

But I'll be with you wherever you are

I'm already there

Take a look around

I'm the sunshine in your hair

I'm the shadow on the ground

I'm the whisper in the wind

And I'll be there 'til the end

Can you feel the love that we share

Oh I'm already there

Oh, I'm aleady there "

" ~I'm Already There " by Lonestar

Re: Re: Hi I am new

Dianne,

I hope asking you this isnt too personal or upsetting to you but when it

happened was there any warning? Heavy breathing or gasping? Didnt the

nurse get help??

Judie

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[Guest guest]

> They said a Pulmonary Embolus....but they didnt do a

Autopsy....they asked if I wanted one...and I remembered Larry say he

NEVER wanted one so I said no.

Dianne,

My heart goes out to you and your loss. Larry sounds like a truly

beautiful person.

As a nurse, his symptoms sound like a classic pulmonary embolus. Once

that clot breaks free and ends up in the lungs the mortality rate is

very high. As a labor and delivery nurse I watched a new mom die of

one two days after delivery without any risk factors.

Without having an expert look at his chart and read through

everything it's hard to tell if there was any fault here either on

the part of the MD or the staff. If you could find a critical care

nurse expert to review the chart you would get a more unbiased

opinion. I would encourage you to do that.

My thoughts and prayers are with you,

[Guest guest]

Dianne,

I am sorry for your loss. Just know that Angels hover ever near and Larry is

always with you.

Re: Re: Hi I am new

Dianne,

I hope asking you this isnt too personal or upsetting to you but when it

happened was there any warning? Heavy breathing or gasping? Didnt the

nurse get help??

Judie

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/3/2001 5:58:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

YOUNG.DIANNELARRY@... writes:

<< OK heres the story of Larry's last hours as I witnessed it. >>

Dianne, This recollection of Larry's last hours brought tears to my eyes. I

am truly sorry for all that you have been through. I will keep you and your

family in my thoughts and prayers. Please don't hesitate to ask if you need

anything or have any questions.

Kim