Re: Re: Dr. Welker--NY LEAKS????

[Guest guest]

.. He was

even asked to leave his position in Idaho and Oregon. In his last

position in Oregon he could only practice under the supervision of

another surgeon.

Jill K>>>

Jill ,

Where did you get this information? Welker was chief of surgery at OHSU!

According to my surgical report HE was the attending surgeon and he had one

assistant helping him. He did not have anyone supervising him. Dr Welker

had considered leaving OHSU long before any of the policical ramifications

occured there and it had nothing to do with his expertise!

Judie

[Guest guest]

Your knowledge is encyclopedic and your reasoning and research skills leave

me in awe, but I have to take exception to your statement about Dr. Ren.

Someone on this site once commented (disparagingly) about " one

size-fits-all " surgery. Would you have bariatric surgeons subscribe to this

notion by only offering ONE surgical choice. We all have individual needs

and for some, those needs lead them to RNY or lap band. WE may believe these

procedures are not as effective or as wise as DS, but we're not standing in

their shoes. Would you DENY them the services of competent, skilled surgeons

because they choose another path in the search for weight loss.

I can't speak about Gagner or , but I can speak about Dr. Ren: when

I had my consult with her, in the course of my 2 1/2 hours with her (SHE

took my history and gave me the physical instead of fobbing me off on a

nurse or PA) she described both RNY and DS procedures to me in detail (she

was not yet doing lap band). She then had me describe my eating style and

asked me which procedure I thought would fit me best. Only after I chose DS

as the only logical choice for me (and I had never HEARD about it 'til she

brought it up; I originally thought the " Carnie " procedure was the

way to go) did she wholeheartedly agreed and scheduled me for my surgery. As

to her expertise, she is well past the learning curve; my surgery and

recovery were textbook perfect. Now, 6 1/2 weeks later, I'm 40 lb. lighter

(plus the 14 lb. I lost pre-op), feel fabulous, and haven't suffered ANY of

the complaints I've read about on this site to date. I look and feel ten

years younger and I owe it to Dr. Ren. Yet I feel, that, had I chosen to go

RNY or lap band, I would have been the beneficiary of the same dedication

and skill as she demonstrated with my DS.

Marcia

shadow44@...

> Re: Dr. Welker--NY LEAKS????

>

>

> Jane,

>

...In addition I personally have conerns about Gagner, and Ren

> because they are not devoted 100% to DS. None of them bothered to

> show up to the special evening sesion on DS at the June ASBS meeting

> in Washington DC. Ren seems more interested in following the newest

> fad (the lap band) then perfecting her technique, and does

> many more RNY surgeries than DS. Gagner seems to be converting to a

> cash only basis like Rabkin...

>

>

>

> Hull

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would think that the aftercare for RNY is even more important b/c of the

chewing thing and the blocked stoma possibility and the tiny pouch that

makes vitamin deficiency such a possibility. Also, on all the RNY sites I

visited when I first started looking into wls said " protein first, protein

first, always! " Is the aftercare for DS *really* any more complex?

alyssa

Re: Dr. Welker--NY LEAKS????

> I do agree that the DS is a better surgery for MOs, but not everyone is

capable of following the guidelines for aftercare. There are those who will

stop taking their supplements, or ignore the need for protein we have.

[Guest guest]

Re: Re: Dr. Welker--NY LEAKS????

> Is the aftercare for DS *really* any more complex?>>>>

>

> Alyssa....picture this......take a piece of meat and cut it up into pieces

> the size of a pencil eraser. Now put one bite in your mouth and chew it

40

> times.....you know what? A piece of meat that size would not even feel

like

> eating meat! It would feel as if there is nothing in your mouth!

> I can not imagine living that way, can you?

Nope. That's why I see the aftercare for RNY as more complex, not less.

alyssa

[Guest guest]

Well said Marcia

--- Marty Kanter wrote:

>

> Your knowledge is encyclopedic and your reasoning

> and research skills leave

> me in awe, but I have to take exception to your

> statement about Dr. Ren.

> Someone on this site once commented (disparagingly)

> about " one

> size-fits-all " surgery. Would you have bariatric

> surgeons subscribe to this

> notion by only offering ONE surgical choice. We all

> have individual needs

> and for some, those needs lead them to RNY or lap

> band. WE may believe these

> procedures are not as effective or as wise as DS,

> but we're not standing in

> their shoes. Would you DENY them the services of

> competent, skilled surgeons

> because they choose another path in the search for

> weight loss.

>

> I can't speak about Gagner or , but I can

> speak about Dr. Ren: when

> I had my consult with her, in the course of my 2 1/2

> hours with her (SHE

> took my history and gave me the physical instead of

> fobbing me off on a

> nurse or PA) she described both RNY and DS

> procedures to me in detail (she

> was not yet doing lap band). She then had me

> describe my eating style and

> asked me which procedure I thought would fit me

> best. Only after I chose DS

> as the only logical choice for me (and I had never

> HEARD about it 'til she

> brought it up; I originally thought the " Carnie

> " procedure was the

> way to go) did she wholeheartedly agreed and

> scheduled me for my surgery. As

> to her expertise, she is well past the learning

> curve; my surgery and

> recovery were textbook perfect. Now, 6 1/2 weeks

> later, I'm 40 lb. lighter

> (plus the 14 lb. I lost pre-op), feel fabulous, and

> haven't suffered ANY of

> the complaints I've read about on this site to date.

> I look and feel ten

> years younger and I owe it to Dr. Ren. Yet I feel,

> that, had I chosen to go

> RNY or lap band, I would have been the beneficiary

> of the same dedication

> and skill as she demonstrated with my DS.

>

> Marcia

> shadow44@...

>

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