Re: Ate out yesterday, bled today

[Guest guest]

At 12:47 PM 3/16/2010, you wrote:

Up scale restaurants just do not

add sugar to pesto. I would not

be worried about that at all. There's just no way - sugar is a

completely

out of place spice in pesto. Makes no culinary sense.

Fresh tomato sauce, yes.

Pesto, no way.

Well, I wouldn't be worried about it if I hadn't come across recipes for

what purported to be pesto which DID contain sugar. I fully agree with

you that it makes no culinary sense, but then, I feel that adding sugar,

high fructose corn syrup, or raw evaporated cane juice to chicken broth

makes no sense. And yet -- Swanson's adds HFCS, WHole Foods 365 Brand

added RECJ, and I saw sugar in some other brand.

More likely, it could have a tad

of balsamic vinegar added.

But all in all, an extremely little amount given the

volume.

Yes, it could have been a touch of balsamic vinegar that wasn't real

balsamic.

The culprit is much more likely

to be mozzarella.

Most likely. Mozzarella is loaded with lactose. Lactose is

evil.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Update:

No blood today. It was probably the Mozzarella, then.

[Guest guest]

Another update.

After one day of eating at home and no bleeding, I ventured out to Ruth's Chris

Steakhouse last night.

Had petite beef fillet and steamed asparagus. The beef fillet was simply grilled

and then tossed with parsley and butter. Nothing sounded illegal here.

I had some bleeding today. Anybody knows any illegals here? Or is it just that

I'm reacting to a heavy dose of beef (I just have small beef patties), and some

10 asparagus?

This kinda sucks -- normal, simple pleasures we have to think so much

Thanks,

Andy.

[Guest guest]

I eat at Ruth's every week in Beverly Hills. My instructions to

them are the petit filet with no " rub " as they call it, no seasoning, no

oils or butter and a clean grill. I've never had a problem but allowing

butter might be allowing other things also. Their steamed vegetables

like broccoli or asparagus are are always served " clean " with out

butters or oils. Ron

[Guest guest]

I would suggest waiting longer and staying on bland foods. It takes a long time

to heal, longer than one day. I would suspect the " butter " which is sometimes

margarine with flavoring. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I still rarely eat out.

My approach to SCD was to realize I would just eat at home, for a long time,

until I felt better. The few times I did eat out, it was plain unmarinated steak

or fish with no seasonings and a small plain salad that I picked at. I went

mainly for the social aspect, not the food. I had to eat a snack later as it was

not enough for a meal. I like my own food because I know what is in it.

Vegetables in restaurants were never cooked enough for me. I had to cook the

daylights out of them to tolerate them at first.

The first few months on SCD are a delicate time. I realized this was a big

commitment, but feeling better in the long run is worth the sacrifice in the

short run.

PJ

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> Another update.

>

> After one day of eating at home and no bleeding, I ventured out to Ruth's

Steakhouse last night.

>

> Had petite beef fillet and steamed asparagus. The beef fillet was simply

grilled and then tossed with parsley and butter. Nothing sounded illegal here.

>

> I had some bleeding today. Anybody knows any illegals here? Or is it just that

I'm reacting to a heavy dose of beef (I just have small beef patties), and some

10 asparagus?

>

> This kinda sucks -- normal, simple pleasures we have to think so much

>

> Thanks,

> Andy.

>

[Guest guest]

PJ- Eating at home is what I've been doing. But with a good friend visiting

after a long time and spring, I just couldn't hold myself cooking all the time

for two people. I suppose I will have a longer healing next week.

Ron- I thought since they're upscale, butter will not have margarine and it is

the butter that gives the flavor

Thanks, guys.

[Guest guest]

I know it's hard.... but hopefully you will get a rest this week.I have those

times where cooking is just too much. I end up eating a lot of scrambled eggs

and canned tuna.

Do you have a freezer? It does help when I can make a lot of soup at a time and

freeze. I also cook hamburger patties and freeze them individually. It helps.

My family and friends just have to put up with me

Until we have a chain of SCD restaurants...some day...

PJ

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> PJ- Eating at home is what I've been doing. But with a good friend visiting

after a long time and spring, I just couldn't hold myself cooking all the time

for two people. I suppose I will have a longer healing next week.

>

> Ron- I thought since they're upscale, butter will not have margarine and it is

the butter that gives the flavor

>

> Thanks, guys.

>

[Guest guest]

Andy, I'm sure it is butter but they call it a rub which might include

other seasoning ingredients. Ron

[Guest guest]

Ron- I thought since they're

upscale, butter will not have margarine and it is the butter that gives

the flavor

When I eat out, I order my steak with no seasoning and no butter. I've

discovered, to my dismay, that even upscale restaurants often use a mix

of butter and margarine (because margarine is healthier! yeah, right!) in

and on their food.

I take real butter with me and toss a few tablespoons on the hot plate

the steak comes out on, it melts, and then I spoon it over the meat.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

I've tried Ruth's a few times and not had any problems. I think they are all SCD legal, salt, pepper, parsley and butter. Pretty sure they do not marinate or use margerine. I usually get the Cowboy Ribeye, steamed vegetables and nothing else. Only one time did I have some D the next day and that was probably because I had too much wine.

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 4:45:33 PMSubject: Re: Re: Ate out yesterday, bled today

Had petite beef fillet and steamed asparagus. The beef fillet was simply grilled and then tossed with parsley and butter. Nothing sounded illegal here.

The only thing I can think is that maybe the beef was marinated in something already. Did you ask them about that? Also, they could've said it was tossed with butter, but really used a fake 'butter' with something illegal in it. Personally, I would just not eat out for a while if I were you! I'm surprised you were willing to try it again so soon after the last incident.

Peace =)

Alyssa 16 yo

UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 50 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 35 mg 1x per day

[Guest guest]

I think in the beginning, you have to have the attitude that you are here for

the company and not the food. I usually have a snack first, so I am not

starving, and order something small. That way, if something is not right, I can

just appear to pick at it and still have a good time.

My wish is to recover enough to be able to tolerate illegals one day, just well

enough to eat out once in a while and not to worry. I would still order from the

menu scd legal foods, but if it is not perfect, still be OK. Until that point,

especially in the beginning, we have to be super cautious.

One day....

PJ

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> And sometimes, alas, even with all this pre-planning it doesn't

> work. A few years ago a group of mine was going out to a certain

> place for a luncheon. Of course I called ahead. I explained that the

> only thing I could eat was salad with particular things. I was

> assured that sure, they could leave off croutons and bacon bits, and

> yes, of course they had all kinds of fresh veggies and would be glad

> to custom make me a nice salad. So I didn't take anything with me

> except a tea bag and my salad dressing. I was told by the waitress

> (who seemed to think I was sent to harrass her) that no, I could not

> have a special salad. I could have a tiny dinner salad sans the

> things I didn't want. I told her waht I'd been told and was informed

> that SHE made the salads, from things " out here " , and the rest of the

> fresh stuff was in the kitchen which she claimed she couldn't get to

> and clearly wasn't willing to try. I paid $7.95 for a small handful

> of lettuce and basically, starved. Now, of course, I would at least

> have a slice of chicken in my purse but this was during my 20 years

> when I couldn't handle any protein.

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> Before I eat out (which has been rare), I always e mail ahead of time

> or talk to the manager to see what ingredients are in the items and

> what is " safe " for me to order off the menu. It saves a bit of

> explaining at the time of ordering. Often the waiter/waitress says

> " butter " but when I ask further, it is a blend. Many times, the

> manager is very helpful with picking items ahead of time.

> PJ

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