Re: How much should you tell? [Vhurgo ]

[Guest guest]

Sure I would date someone with braces, but i highly doubt that it

would happen... and, yes, it would depend on the person... if either

Jolie or Faith Hill were in braces, I'd date them!

Funnily, I've found that women really don't care if the guy has

braces...in fact, as Tova suggested, it shows them the guy cares

about his appearance...

Regardless, i couldn't care less if some girl didn't want to date me

because I had braces... I'm not doing it for her; I'm doing it for

ME...

If you want to see my post-op picture with the slight asymmetry,

check my profile... http://profiles.yahoo.com/zulu1967

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have a personal question to ask related to this entire

> > > > process.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > will be getting my braces on in a month or so and then

> > > eventually

> > > > > > having upper and lower surgery to correct an underbite.

I

> > was

> > > > > hoping

> > > > > > to already have the braces on, but had to delay it a

little

> > > bit

> > > > > due

> > > > > > to needing dental work first.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here's where my question comes in...I just recently

started

> > > > dating

> > > > > > someone I was set up with. We don't know each other very

> > well

> > > > > yet,

> > > > > > but so far we have hit it off and have a lot in common.

> > > Because

> > > > > we

> > > > > > have not known each other very long, I have not told him

> > > anything

> > > > > > about the braces/surgery. I am actually a little nervous

> > > about

> > > > > > telling him because I am afraid it will overwhelm him.

It

> > > would

> > > > > be

> > > > > > different if we had been friends for awhile first or

> > > something.

> > > > > When

> > > > > > I get my braces on in a month, he is obviously going to

> > > > > notice.

> > > > > > My question is, How much should I tell him or not tell

him?

> > > > Also,

> > > > > > has anyone else been in a situation similar to mine and

how

> > > did

> > > > > you

> > > > > > handle it?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

To be honest I can't really tell in that picture about the asymmetry (you're

kind of to the side) but it would be interesting to see a before picture and see

the change, you say it improved you.

I don't see tooooooo many Angelina Jolie's around... Look I would have gone for

Tom Cruise in braces myself! I can see you look after yourself and I can

understand why you like people who like to look and be their best. I am the

same. I am just glad this is a temporary thing having these on. And it is nice

to know that someone is willing to take this amount on time and (and some mental

anguish) to improve themselves. It's really hard to find people that you really

get on with and are attracted to so I would hope if it turned out I did meet

someone like that I would overlook the braces. But not sure if I would go for it

having braces on myself because I don't feel myself with them but that is

obviously my problem. If I wasn't having surgery soon it might be different. I

want to get that over and done with.

zulu1967 wrote:

Sure I would date someone with braces, but i highly doubt that it

would happen... and, yes, it would depend on the person... if either

Jolie or Faith Hill were in braces, I'd date them!

Funnily, I've found that women really don't care if the guy has

braces...in fact, as Tova suggested, it shows them the guy cares

about his appearance...

Regardless, i couldn't care less if some girl didn't want to date me

because I had braces... I'm not doing it for her; I'm doing it for

ME...

If you want to see my post-op picture with the slight asymmetry,

check my profile... http://profiles.yahoo.com/zulu1967

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have a personal question to ask related to this entire

> > > > process.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > will be getting my braces on in a month or so and then

> > > eventually

> > > > > > having upper and lower surgery to correct an underbite.

I

> > was

> > > > > hoping

> > > > > > to already have the braces on, but had to delay it a

little

> > > bit

> > > > > due

> > > > > > to needing dental work first.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here's where my question comes in...I just recently

started

> > > > dating

> > > > > > someone I was set up with. We don't know each other very

> > well

> > > > > yet,

> > > > > > but so far we have hit it off and have a lot in common.

> > > Because

> > > > > we

> > > > > > have not known each other very long, I have not told him

> > > anything

> > > > > > about the braces/surgery. I am actually a little nervous

> > > about

> > > > > > telling him because I am afraid it will overwhelm him.

It

> > > would

> > > > > be

> > > > > > different if we had been friends for awhile first or

> > > something.

> > > > > When

> > > > > > I get my braces on in a month, he is obviously going to

> > > > > notice.

> > > > > > My question is, How much should I tell him or not tell

him?

> > > > Also,

> > > > > > has anyone else been in a situation similar to mine and

how

> > > did

> > > > > you

> > > > > > handle it?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Zulu, I was speaking figuratively too. Not only will I never get the chance to

find out about Tom Cruise personally but he is still goodlooking gay or not.

I appreciate your opinion about the braces and your recommendation about not

getting surgery for cosmetic reasons. Those reasons are actually driving me to

do this because I want to look better as well as get my bite fixed. Regardless

of whatever is driving anyone to do this you still go through the same long,

tough process. It seems you only don't advocate surgery for cosmetic reasons

because that part of the process didn't improve your looks, if it had I wonder

if you would be recommending it. Braces are not going to fix my lower jaw, I

have a different facial structure to you and surgery will make my face look

better. I look fine now but surgery will improve my look, a longer face would be

better for me. And I am definitely not an " extreme case " .

Everyone is different and what happened with your surgery won't happen with

everyone. Cammie for eg had a minor movement forward and she says her look

didn't really change but her bite is correct now.

zulu1967 wrote:

I was speaking figuratively when I spoke about making exceptions if

Angelina Jolie was in braces... regardless I've found my " Angelina

Jolie. "

By the way, I have bad news about Tom Cruise: he's gay. It's the

best kept secret in Hollywood.

For some reason I'm reluctant to post before pictures since I look

better now. I should be clear that it was the orthodontics that

improved my appearance, NOT the surgery. In fact, I'd say the

surgery made my face look longer, which, in my opinion, is not

desirable!

I would not recommend surgery to anyone that is doing it solely for

cosmetic reasons. The surgery, in my opinion, will NOT improve

someone's appearance, unless they have an extreme case. In fact, I'd

say that the surgery will diminish looks… this surgery only fixes

the bite – the resulting face may not be desirable...

The only reason my looks improved from the braces was because both

my upper and lower palette were very narrow – braces widened them

out...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have a personal question to ask related to this

entire

> > > > > process.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > will be getting my braces on in a month or so and then

> > > > eventually

> > > > > > > having upper and lower surgery to correct an

underbite.

> I

> > > was

> > > > > > hoping

> > > > > > > to already have the braces on, but had to delay it a

> little

> > > > bit

> > > > > > due

> > > > > > > to needing dental work first.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here's where my question comes in...I just recently

> started

> > > > > dating

> > > > > > > someone I was set up with. We don't know each other

very

> > > well

> > > > > > yet,

> > > > > > > but so far we have hit it off and have a lot in

common.

> > > > Because

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > have not known each other very long, I have not told

him

> > > > anything

> > > > > > > about the braces/surgery. I am actually a little

nervous

> > > > about

> > > > > > > telling him because I am afraid it will overwhelm

him.

> It

> > > > would

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > different if we had been friends for awhile first or

> > > > something.

> > > > > > When

> > > > > > > I get my braces on in a month, he is obviously going to

> > > > > > notice.

> > > > > > > My question is, How much should I tell him or not tell

> him?

> > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > has anyone else been in a situation similar to mine

and

> how

> > > > did

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > handle it?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Tova, I am glad you think your appearance improved for you anyway even if others

don't see it as much. Did you just have it moved forward - mine will be moving

foward and down. Cosmetically it should improve my face to make it longer. Was

yours just moved forward?

Hope you are feeling better about things? Have they improved over the last week

or so?

Tova Friedman wrote:

Hiya,,

My case was borderline- far from extreme, and I think it improved my

profile and my straight-on appearance. The changes were subtle but I

definitely think it evened out the proportion of my lower face in

relation to my upper face. As I've said...most people would hardly

notice a difference but it *certainly* did not make me look worse...

One exception... when my jaw was starting to travel left, before they

yanked it back to center... that was looking worse...but had it healed

that way, that would have been an unfortunate accident- not the

intended & correct result.

Zulu- I'd love to see a " before " picture of you...maybe you are just

used to seeing yourself looking a certain way.

Tova

>

> You said, " Having a correct functional bite and occlusion logically

> would make the face more aesthetic. "

>

> ABSOLUTELY incorrect.

>

> In most cases, the patient's profile improves, but that's it. I do

> not walk about trying to have people only look at my profile - they

> look straight at my face. Improving the profile, while potentially

> sacrificing your face, is RISKY.

>

> If your case is extreme, it may improve your looks....

>

>

>

>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have a personal question to ask related to this

> > > entire

> > > > > > > > process.

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > will be getting my braces on in a month or so and

> > then

> > > > > > > eventually

> > > > > > > > > > having upper and lower surgery to correct an

> > > underbite.

> > > > I

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > hoping

> > > > > > > > > > to already have the braces on, but had to delay it

> a

> > > > little

> > > > > > > bit

> > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > to needing dental work first.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Here's where my question comes in...I just

> recently

> > > > started

> > > > > > > > dating

> > > > > > > > > > someone I was set up with. We don't know each

> other

> > > very

> > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > yet,

> > > > > > > > > > but so far we have hit it off and have a lot in

> > > common.

> > > > > > > Because

> > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > have not known each other very long, I have not

> told

> > > him

> > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > > about the braces/surgery. I am actually a little

> > > nervous

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > telling him because I am afraid it will overwhelm

> > > him.

> > > > It

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > different if we had been friends for awhile first

> or

> > > > > > > something.

> > > > > > > > > When

> > > > > > > > > > I get my braces on in a month, he is obviously

> going

> > to

> > > > > > > > > notice.

> > > > > > > > > > My question is, How much should I tell him or not

> > tell

> > > > him?

> > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > has anyone else been in a situation similar to

> mine

> > > and

> > > > how

> > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > handle it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hiya,

They just moved it forward 5.5mm, not really down at all. I am an

artist & very visual person and have been accused of being a

perfectionist in terms of the detail in the things I design. I think it

sort of is the same thing here... If I design a bag and a seam is 1/4 "

off, it irks me even though no-one else would even notice it. But if

all of your seams are 1/4 " off, the whole shape of the bag looks

different from what you imagine. Kinda the same thing with my jaw...

the little 1/4 " here and couple of MM there... and everything just

looks a little more " right "

Things are good otherwise. I keep losing weight and am starting to get

weak, Every day it keeps dropping... I'm down to about 92 lbs and I

think I'm starting to look a bit anorexic. Also, as hungry as I am, the

idea of eating real food is almost making me nervous- like I won't be

able to hold the food down. I'm sure that will go away as soon as I can

fit a solid in my mouth though and I will be back up to my natural 103

lbs. in less than a week. My boyfriend had sushi for dinner and it

smelled yummy. I had miso soup. Again.

Tova

>

> Tova, I am glad you think your appearance improved for you anyway even

> if others don't see it as much. Did you just have it moved forward -

> mine will be moving foward and down. Cosmetically it should improve my

> face to make it longer. Was yours just moved forward?

> Hope you are feeling better about things? Have they improved over the

> last week or so?

>

> Tova Friedman wrote:

>

> Hiya,,

> My case was borderline- far from extreme, and I think it improved my

> profile and my straight-on appearance. The changes were subtle but I

> definitely think it evened out the proportion of my lower face in

> relation to my upper face. As I've said...most people would hardly

> notice a difference but it *certainly* did not make me look worse...

> One exception... when my jaw was starting to travel left, before they

> yanked it back to center... that was looking worse...but had it healed

> that way, that would have been an unfortunate accident- not the

> intended & correct result.

>

> Zulu- I'd love to see a " before " picture of you...maybe you are just

> used to seeing yourself looking a certain way.

>

> Tova

>

>

>

>

>>

>> You said, " Having a correct functional bite and occlusion logically

>> would make the face more aesthetic. "

>>

>> ABSOLUTELY incorrect.

>>

>> In most cases, the patient's profile improves, but that's it. I do

>> not walk about trying to have people only look at my profile - they

>> look straight at my face. Improving the profile, while potentially

>> sacrificing your face, is RISKY.

>>

>> If your case is extreme, it may improve your looks....

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> I have a personal question to ask related to this

>>>> entire

>>>>>>>>> process.

>>>>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>>>>>> will be getting my braces on in a month or so and

>>> then

>>>>>>>> eventually

>>>>>>>>>>> having upper and lower surgery to correct an

>>>> underbite.

>>>>> I

>>>>>>> was

>>>>>>>>>> hoping

>>>>>>>>>>> to already have the braces on, but had to delay it

>> a

>>>>> little

>>>>>>>> bit

>>>>>>>>>> due

>>>>>>>>>>> to needing dental work first.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Here's where my question comes in...I just

>> recently

>>>>> started

>>>>>>>>> dating

>>>>>>>>>>> someone I was set up with. We don't know each

>> other

>>>> very

>>>>>>> well

>>>>>>>>>> yet,

>>>>>>>>>>> but so far we have hit it off and have a lot in

>>>> common.

>>>>>>>> Because

>>>>>>>>>> we

>>>>>>>>>>> have not known each other very long, I have not

>> told

>>>> him

>>>>>>>> anything

>>>>>>>>>>> about the braces/surgery. I am actually a little

>>>> nervous

>>>>>>>> about

>>>>>>>>>>> telling him because I am afraid it will overwhelm

>>>> him.

>>>>> It

>>>>>>>> would

>>>>>>>>>> be

>>>>>>>>>>> different if we had been friends for awhile first

>> or

>>>>>>>> something.

>>>>>>>>>> When

>>>>>>>>>>> I get my braces on in a month, he is obviously

>> going

>>> to

>>>>>>>>>> notice.

>>>>>>>>>>> My question is, How much should I tell him or not

>>> tell

>>>>> him?

>>>>>>>>> Also,

>>>>>>>>>>> has anyone else been in a situation similar to

>> mine

>>>> and

>>>>> how

>>>>>>>> did

>>>>>>>>>> you

>>>>>>>>>>> handle it?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>