Re: Wine?

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> Hello again! Next question I have....what's the low-down on wine? I > think the book says dry wine is okay. At what point is it safe to > introduce it? What about the wine might be not good or might cause a > reaction? Does anyone know of a good dry wine to try? I'm a new > Crohnie (going on 3 months from diagnosis), don't know much about wine, > and am learning how to live on the SCD!>> Thanks! :)I drink dry read wine probably three times a week at this point, occasionally more often. Occasionally I buy organic -- which still has sulfites, as normal wine does, but no pesticide residue. No decent winemaker who makes dry reds (or whites) adds sugar to their wine. That said, some apparently do add sugar to get the yeast going (which may or may not be a problem, as the sugar gets eaten up). Just make sure you don't buy a "wine product," as that definitely has sugar (and often other cr*p) in it. And they taste awful anyway.Just go to any wine store and buy a dry red -- like a cabernet, merlot, shiraz, etc. -- that you can afford. (Or a dry white, for which Germany is notable.) There are a lot of  inexpensive dry wines that taste good, particularly from Australia, Chile, Argentine, South Africa; not to mention California and even New York (though NY's strong suit runs especially to sherries, port and ice wine -- non of which are legal because of high grape-sugar content.I should had n-- Now available. A fine gift for cat lovers:Confessions of a Cataholic: My Life With the 10 Cats Who Caused My Addictionby n Van Tilwww.wordpowerpublishing.com ; signed copies; free shipping in U.S., reduced shipping elsewhere

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I would be very careful about German wines. I will have to look up all the details, but German wine makers typically add sugar to their wines. AmeliaTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 8:04:10 PMSubject: Re: Wine?

> Hello again! Next question I have....what's the low-down on wine? I > think the book says dry wine is okay. At what point is it safe to > introduce it? What about the wine might be not good or might cause a > reaction? Does anyone know of a good dry wine to try? I'm a new > Crohnie (going on 3 months from diagnosis), don't know much about wine, > and am learning how to live on the SCD!>> Thanks! :)I drink dry read wine probably three times a week at this point, occasionally more often. Occasionally I buy organic -- which still has sulfites, as normal wine does, but no pesticide residue. No decent winemaker who makes dry reds (or whites) adds sugar to their wine. That said, some apparently do add sugar to get the yeast going (which may or may

not be a problem, as the sugar gets eaten up). Just make sure you don't buy a "wine product," as that definitely has sugar (and often other cr*p) in it. And they taste awful anyway.Just go to any wine store and buy a dry red -- like a cabernet, merlot, shiraz, etc. -- that you can afford. (Or a dry white, for which Germany is notable.) There are a lot of inexpensive dry wines that taste good, particularly from Australia, Chile, Argentine, South Africa; not to mention California and even New York (though NY's strong suit runs especially to sherries, port and ice wine -- non of which are legal because of high grape-sugar content.I should had n-- Now available. A fine gift for cat lovers:Confessions of a Cataholic: My Life With the 10 Cats Who Caused My Addictionby

n Van Tilwww.wordpowerpublishing.com ; signed copies; free shipping in U.S., reduced shipping elsewhere

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I tried wine a month after starting SCD. One glass ended up making me feel awful

for several days (mostly bloating). I've been chicken to try it again. So, IMHO,

wait a few months before you try it, and maybe just have 1/2 glass at first to

see how it goes over.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

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> Hello again! Next question I have....what's the low-down on wine? I think

the book says dry wine is okay. At what point is it safe to introduce it? What

about the wine might be not good or might cause a reaction? Does anyone know of

a good dry wine to try? I'm a new Crohnie (going on 3 months from diagnosis),

don't know much about wine, and am learning how to live on the SCD!

>

> Thanks!

>

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I was really missing my nightly glass of wine from pre-SCD days, so I researched the yahoo message archives for anything I could find on SCD and wine. Here's the highlights

On page 80 in BTVC:

Very dry wine, Occasionally gin, rye, Scotch, bourbon, vodka, Club Soda

Some of the leading dry white wines are Sauvignon Blanc, Chardonnay, Chenin Blanc and Riesling.

Some of the leading dry red wines are Zinfandel, Cabernet Sauvignon, Bordeaux, Pinot Noir, Grignolino, and Côtes-du-Rhône.

Avoid: Beer, Sherry, cordials, liqueurs or brandy.

It has been said by others: DRY DRINKS are ok...like

Light Rum, Tequila, Italian Table Wine, Merlot, Burgandy, e, Saki, Vermouth,

Estancia Cabernet Sauvienon is what I like the best, but one is enough...

Elaine writes:That wine is magic! I can remember Dr. Haas telling me to give it to eight year old Judy and I did and all I can do is pass on this wisdom. With some of you people, a smaller percentage, the nerves really get that adrenalin pumping and shunting that blood with oxygen and

nutrients away from the gut. The liquor did the trick and that is why Dr. Haas told us to give dry wine to our 8 year old with her meals to relax her.The SCD Knowledge Base Wineshttp://www.breaking

theviciouscycle. info/knowledge_ base/kb/wines. htmThe SCD Knowledge Base Alcoholhttp://www.breaking theviciouscycle. info/knowledge_ base/kb/alcohol. htmElaine writes:Alcohol in dry wine and other products is made from grain, but none of the starch is left. The yeast used in making wine, as well as enzymes in the grains, when

mashed and left to heat and time, change the starch and sugars into alcohol. Since alcohol is only a short two-carbon structure (as compared to starch and disaccharides- see diagrams of many sugars each with 6 carbons X the number of sugars in the chain)(Page 3 in BTVC) alcohol can be absorbed very quickly through the stomach or upper small intestine, and we need not worry about any of these calories getting down to where bacteria are waiting for something to eat and make babies. However, if starch and sugars DO get down to the lower gut and are fermented by bacteria and yeast into alcohol or short chain fatty acids, then we have problems.But as long as it is absorbed up high AND NOT TOO MUCH we are OK on SCD.

Yan Kravchenko yanick2k at gmail.com wrote: '09I am a winemaker, and when starting the SCDiet I was also veryconcerned about being able to enjoy different wines as well as myhobby.If a wine is listed as dry, it should not have any sugars in it. Theprocess of fermentation converts sugar to ethanol (alcohol), so evenif a winery uses sugar to sweeten their must in order to raise thefinal alcohol level (which is not that common), that sugar would begone by the time the wine is done fermenting.The exception to this rule are wines from areas that are not known

forwinemaking. I live in MN, and most wineries here sweeten their winesheavily with sugars before and after fermentation, simply to improvethe taste.Rule of thumb, if a wine is a well known (like Burgundy, Cabernet,Pino Noir, Merlot, etc...) and is listed as Dry, you should be able todrink it with SCDiet. Even more so with red wines from France, sinceFrench seem to really look down on sweet wines and always produce very dry, residual sugar-free product. If you have an affinity for sweetwines, I recommend meads (honey wines), but you really have to call winery and make sure they limit their sweeteners to honey only.Yan Kravchenko

So my decision was to go back to my one simple glass of zinfandel with dinner every night and I usually offer my 18 year old son a glass as

well. One small glass doesn't seem to cause any problems but it sure helps me mentally to have that ritual to look forward to after cooking all day

HTH

mom to , 18, cancer survivor with gut issues, scd sinc 12/26/09

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 11:38:34 AMSubject: Wine?

Hello again! Next question I have....what' s the low-down on wine? I think the book says dry wine is okay. At what point is it safe to introduce it? What about the wine might be not good or might cause a reaction? Does anyone know of a good dry wine to try? I'm a new Crohnie (going on 3 months from diagnosis), don't know much about wine, and am learning how to live on the SCD!Thanks!

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,I'll bet your son thinks you are the COOLEST mom on earth! ; ) Thanks for all the info on the wines. I had forgotten about the alcohol being absorbed high in the gut and it wouldn't necessarily be an issue if there were yeast problems. Great news for my husband!AmeliaHusband UC 9 years, SCD 19 monthsLDN 3 mgTo:

BTVC-SCD Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 12:39:00 AMSubject: Re: Wine?

I was really missing my nightly glass of wine from pre-SCD days, so I researched the yahoo message archives for anything I could find on SCD and wine. Here's the highlights

On page 80 in BTVC: Very dry wine, Occasionally gin, rye, Scotch, bourbon, vodka, Club Soda

Some of the leading dry white wines are Sauvignon Blanc, Chardonnay, Chenin Blanc and Riesling.

Some of the leading dry red wines are Zinfandel, Cabernet Sauvignon, Bordeaux, Pinot Noir, Grignolino, and Côtes-du-Rhône. Avoid: Beer, Sherry, cordials, liqueurs or brandy. It has been said by others: DRY DRINKS are ok...like

Light Rum, Tequila, Italian Table Wine, Merlot, Burgandy, e, Saki, Vermouth, Estancia Cabernet Sauvienon is what I like the best, but one is enough...

Elaine writes:That wine is magic! I can remember Dr. Haas telling me to give it to eight year old Judy and I did and all I can do is pass on this wisdom. With some of you people, a smaller percentage, the nerves really get that adrenalin pumping and shunting that blood with oxygen and

nutrients away from the gut. The liquor did the trick and that is why Dr. Haas told us to give dry wine to our 8 year old with her meals to relax her.The SCD Knowledge Base Wineshttp://www.breaking

theviciouscycle. info/knowledge_ base/kb/wines. htmThe SCD Knowledge Base Alcoholhttp://www.breaking theviciouscycle. info/knowledge_ base/kb/alcohol. htmElaine writes:Alcohol in dry wine and other products is made from grain, but none of the starch is left. The yeast used in making wine, as well as enzymes in the grains, when

mashed and left to heat and time, change the starch and sugars into alcohol. Since alcohol is only a short two-carbon structure (as compared to starch and disaccharides- see diagrams of many sugars each with 6 carbons X the number of sugars in the chain)(Page 3 in BTVC) alcohol can be absorbed very quickly through the stomach or upper small intestine, and we need not worry about any of these calories getting down to where bacteria are waiting for something to eat and make babies. However, if starch and sugars DO get down to the lower gut and are fermented by bacteria and yeast into alcohol or short chain fatty acids, then we have problems.But as long as it is absorbed up high AND NOT TOO MUCH we are OK on SCD.

Yan Kravchenko yanick2k at gmail.com wrote: '09I am a winemaker, and when starting the SCDiet I was also veryconcerned about being able to enjoy different wines as well as myhobby.If a wine is listed as dry, it should not have any sugars in it. Theprocess of fermentation

converts sugar to ethanol (alcohol), so evenif a winery uses sugar to sweeten their must in order to raise thefinal alcohol level (which is not that common), that sugar would begone by the time the wine is done fermenting.The exception to this rule are wines from areas that are not known

forwinemaking. I live in MN, and most wineries here sweeten their winesheavily with sugars before and after fermentation, simply to improvethe taste.Rule of thumb, if a wine is a well known (like Burgundy, Cabernet,Pino Noir, Merlot, etc...) and is listed as Dry, you should be able todrink it with SCDiet. Even more so with red wines from France, sinceFrench seem to really look down on sweet wines and always produce very dry, residual sugar-free product. If you have an affinity for sweetwines, I recommend meads (honey wines), but you really have to call winery and make sure they limit their sweeteners to honey only.Yan Kravchenko

So my decision was to go back to my one simple glass of zinfandel with dinner every night and I usually offer my 18 year old son a glass as

well. One small glass doesn't seem to cause any problems but it sure helps me mentally to have that ritual to look forward to after cooking all day

HTH

mom to , 18, cancer survivor with gut issues, scd sinc 12/26/09

From: "pam.weaver@ rocketmail. com" <pam.weaver@rocketma il.com>To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.comSent: Sat, February 6, 2010 11:38:34 AMSubject: Wine?

Hello again! Next question I have....what' s the low-down on wine? I think the book says dry wine is okay. At what point is it safe to introduce it? What about the wine might be not good or might cause a reaction? Does anyone know of a good dry wine to try? I'm a new Crohnie (going on 3 months from diagnosis), don't know much about wine, and am learning how to live on the SCD!Thanks!