Re: Monolaurin

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> Les,

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> How often did you take monolaurin? Twice a day with meals? You also

mentioned lactoferrin. Did you take the two concurrently?

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> Is lactoferrin legal? The lacto prefix and ferrin suffix makes me think that

it's derived from milk and/or wheat.

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> Finally, can you describe the exact regimen that you used in taking the

monolaurin, lactoferrin, olive leaf extract, grapefruit seed extract, and oil of

oregano?

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> I would like to take something that destroys the bad bacteria directly.

(Wouldn't we all). My belief is that while SCD keeps the bad bacteria dormant,

it does not completely destroy them -- or at least if it does, it takes years

and years. In the meantime, a person with a damaged gut walks a tightrope in

maintaining health, since any unknown illegal ingredient consumed in a

restaurant or even an advanced SCD food may trigger the bad bacteria to become

active. I also believe that as long as we're starving the bad bacteria, we're

starving the good bacteria, which makes it more difficult for our guts to be

re-populated. Sadly, good bacteria also feeds on certain starches (lactose, for

example).

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> Thanks,

> Jill

> UC 2004

> SCD 5/07

> lialda 3x day, fish oil, probiotics, turmeric, ginger, calcium/vit D

>

Jill, It's been ten years since I used these products and these tactics against

the Crohn's bugs. I cannot accurately recall dosages and schedules. I guess

you'll have to let your body tell you when you're overdoing it. I believe that I

did use the monolaurin and lactoferrin concurrently. I believe that I used the

other antibiotics in a way that I could follow-up with probiotics in between

doses.

Monolaurin and Lactoferrin were primary since they are supposed to disrupt

biofilm. Monolaurin is reported to be effective against Staph as well as H.

Pylori. Lactoferrin has been used to calm gut problems among Preemies. This is

from an Italian study---- " Lactoferrin is the major whey protein in mammalian

milk, and is involved in innate immune host defences. Notably, human lactoferrin

can be detected with increased concentrations in colostrum and in milk from

mothers of premature neonates. Human and bovine lactoferrin share a high (77%)

amino-acid homology, and the same N-terminal peptide responsible for the

antimicrobial activity, the so-called lactoferricin. In vitro, BLF shows potent

direct antimicrobial activity against all types of pathogens, occurring via

anti-cell wall actions leading to disintegration of the microrganism's

membranes. BLF is also synergistic with many antimicrobials and antifungals ,

and promotes growth and differentiation of the immature gut. "

I'm not a doctor, but this seems like a natural to me, especially when we have

to wing it as we do.

I'm sorry I can't be more specific, but what worked for me may not work for you

anyway. That's often the case with this thing. After all, I had Crohn's Colitis,

limited to the colon. That might have made a huge difference.

I guess I should say that this is what I used and why. Those interested in

trying some of these therapies should develop schedules that fit their

particular circumstances. Listen to your gut.

[Guest guest]

Here is a list of bacteria killed by monolaurin, under

laboratory conditions:

http://www.lauricidin.com/micro.asp

Carol

CD 22 yrs SCD 5 yrs

From: BTVC-SCD

[mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of jillhcaugherty

As an aside, a quick google search reveals that

monolaurin is effective against viruses. It says nothing about bacteria.

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Les,

Thanks for your input. I have ulcerative colitis -- strictly limited to the

colon, too, so perhaps there is reason to believe that these products may help.

Of course, the bad bacteria that found their way into my gut may be immune to

monolaurin and lactoferrin -- who knows?

I am not currently in a flare, but yearly (particularly in the winter) I feel

that my gut is on the verge of a flare. This, together with the constant fear

that I might unknowingly consume an illegal product, has made me consider trying

faster, more direct approaches of attacking the bad bacteria.

Since lactoferrin is based on milk/whey, it doesn't sound SCD legal. Do you

know whether that is the case? Anyone else?

When you speak of other antibiotics, are you referring to oil of oregano,

grapeseed extract, etc? I tried oil of oregano for a very short time -- didn't

see any noticeable results.

Thanks again!

Jill

lbrman@... wrote:

>Jill, It's been ten years since I used these products and these >tactics

against the Crohn's bugs. I cannot accurately recall dosages >and schedules. I

guess you'll have to let your body tell you when >you're overdoing it. I believe

that I did use the monolaurin and >lactoferrin concurrently. I believe that I

used the other >antibiotics in a way that I could follow-up with probiotics in

>between doses.

>Monolaurin and Lactoferrin were primary since they are supposed to >disrupt

biofilm. Monolaurin is reported to be effective against >Staph as well as H.

Pylori. Lactoferrin has been used to calm gut >problems among Preemies. This is

from an Italian study----> " Lactoferrin is the major whey protein in mammalian

milk, and is >involved in innate immune host defences. Notably, human

lactoferrin >can be detected with increased concentrations in colostrum and in

>milk from mothers of premature neonates. Human and bovine >lactoferrin share a

high (77%) amino-acid homology, and the same N->terminal peptide responsible for

the antimicrobial activity, the so->called lactoferricin. In vitro, BLF shows

potent direct >antimicrobial activity against all types of pathogens, occurring

via >anti-cell wall actions leading to disintegration of the >microrganism's

membranes. BLF is also synergistic with many >antimicrobials and antifungals ,

and promotes growth and >differentiation of the immature gut. "

>I'm not a doctor, but this seems like a natural to me, especially >when we have

to wing it as we do.

>I'm sorry I can't be more specific, but what worked for me may not >work for

you anyway. That's often the case with this thing. After >all, I had Crohn's

Colitis, limited to the colon. That might have >made a huge difference.

>I guess I should say that this is what I used and why. Those >interested in

trying some of these therapies should develop >schedules that fit their

particular circumstances. Listen to your >gut.

[Guest guest]

Carol,

Thanks for the information.

You had said in an earlier post that you take monolaurin. How long have you

taken it? How many doses/how many times per day? What other supplements (if

any) do you take? Have you found monolaurin to be effective? If so, what

results did you see and in what time frame?

Since monolaurin appears to be a natural antibiotic, do you follow up each dose

with a probiotic?

Do you also take lactoferrin? I am unsure whether it is considered SCD legal,

since it seems to be derived from milk/whey.

Thanks again!

Best Regards,

Jill

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> Here is a list of bacteria killed by monolaurin, under laboratory

> conditions:

>

> http://www.lauricidin.com/micro.asp

>

> Carol

>

> CD 22 yrs SCD 5 yrs

>

> From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf

> Of jillhcaugherty

>

> As an aside, a quick google search reveals that monolaurin is effective

> against viruses. It says nothing about bacteria.

>

[Guest guest]

From:

BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of jillhcaugherty

You had said in an earlier post that you take monolaurin. How long have you

taken it? How many doses/how many times per day? What other supplements (if

any) do you take? Have you found monolaurin to be effective? If so, what

results did you see and in what time frame?

I originally got the Lauricidin to take in case of

the Swine Flu, and it did come in handy for that when dh brought home the Swine

Flu from work. I upped my dose from 2 to 3x/day, and increased the amount to

nearly full doses (a full 1tsp/dose) of the tiny little pellets. So, full dose

for me was 3tsp Lauricidin daily for about 2 weeks while dh was home w/Swine Flu.

I never got it.

During that 2 weeks

of full dosage I experienced die-off, symptoms being a little nausea and a

background headache, and feeling kinda crummy. But I think the monolaurin

killed off a lot of bad bugs so I didn’t mind the discomfort. And like I

said it kept me from getting the Swine Flu (well that, and about 5 giant pots

of chicken soup!).

Today I take ½ - 1tsp.

2x/day. I sometimes skip days.  

Other supplements:

GSE 1x/day. I have taken S. boulardii 1x/day and that was very effective

against candida. I took it for 2 months, but have since run out. I used

KirkmanLabs

Since monolaurin appears to be a natural

antibiotic, do you follow up each dose with a probiotic? No, I eat yogurt in the a.m. and take the Lauricidin and/or GSE afternoons/evenings

Do you also take lactoferrin? I am unsure whether it is considered SCD legal,

since it seems to be derived from milk/whey. No, I

am not familiar with lactoferrin.

Carol

CD 22 yrs  SCD 5 yrs

[Guest guest]

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> Les,

>

> Thanks for your input. I have ulcerative colitis -- strictly limited to the

colon, too, so perhaps there is reason to believe that these products may help.

Of course, the bad bacteria that found their way into my gut may be immune to

monolaurin and lactoferrin -- who knows?

>

> I am not currently in a flare, but yearly (particularly in the winter) I feel

that my gut is on the verge of a flare. This, together with the constant fear

that I might unknowingly consume an illegal product, has made me consider trying

faster, more direct approaches of attacking the bad bacteria.

>

>

> Since lactoferrin is based on milk/whey, it doesn't sound SCD legal. Do you

know whether that is the case? Anyone else?

>

>

> When you speak of other antibiotics, are you referring to oil of oregano,

grapeseed extract, etc? I tried oil of oregano for a very short time -- didn't

see any noticeable results.

>

> Thanks again!

> Jill

Jill,

GSE was Grapefruit Seed Extract, the antibiotic, not GSE, grape seed extract,

the antioxidant. I know it's confusing sometimes.

I don't think we should expect any short term results from any of these

antibiotics. These bugs are tough and entrenched.

As far as the legality of lactoferrin is concerned, since it is a component of

colostrum, I just didn't worry about it. I don't recall ever seeing that it was

specifically prohibited.

Les

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I haven't been taking a higher dose of vitamin D. I usually take it as a combo

calcium/D/magnesium supplement. The pre-flare symptoms seem to happen right

after the holidays, so I wonder whether it's also an effect of drinking more

wine, and/or eating more honey-baked goods. (?)

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> > I am not currently in a flare, but yearly (particularly in the winter) I

feel that my gut is on the verge of a flare.

>

> Are you taking a high dose of vitamin D3 in winter?

>

[Guest guest]

You should read up on vitamin D3 - many of us don't get enough of it in the winter and it helps modulate neuromuscular and immune function and reduce inflammationMaraI haven't been taking a higher dose of vitamin D. I usually take it as a combo calcium/D/magnesium supplement. The pre-flare symptoms seem to happen right after the holidays, so I wonder whether it's also an effect of drinking more wine, and/or eating more honey-baked goods. (?)I am not currently in a flare, but yearly (particularly in the winter) I feel that my gut is on the verge of a flare. Are you taking a high dose of vitamin D3 in winter?------------------------------------