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In a message dated 9/8/01 4:17:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

duodenalswitch writes:

<< my WLS was, and she told me that when people are depressed they have a

much

harder time dealing with the aftereffects of the surgery. Someone else here

on this list said that their psychiatrist said approx the same thing. I have

never heard suicide mentioned by any of the health care professionals.

Saying

that suicide is a " ...quirky possible side effect... " is not accurate.

Sheryl >>

Thanks, Sheryl - I had never heard a health care professional say that either

and wanted to clear up that it wasn't mentioned as a side effect of DS. I

understand the psychiatrist saying that people who have depression can have a

hard time dealing with the after-effects of sugery. However, I know there

are many on many different lists that I am on that have been taking prozac

and other depression meds. I think that excess weight exaserbates (sp)

depression due to the societal pressures to fit the model image and the

rejection one can experience. I also think that many of the feelings of

depression are a chemical imbalance which is probably inherited, just as I

think the " fat gene " is. At least, medical science now sees that there is a

" fat gene "

but it still doesn't help anyone understand that this is a disease. I might

have depression, but I sure as hell CAN deal with the after-effects of

surgery. I know that.

I can deal with the after-effects of being obese in a society that sees me as

not as valuable, I am able to work and do the things I need to do for myself.

So I certainly can deal with the aftereffects of surgery. I think they want

to make sure you are able to make intelligent decisions for yourself and

understand all the risks - that you aren't just putting your head in the sand

only thinking of being thin and not about the decision you are making.

However, I have seen others on other lists that shall remain nameless who

seemed to think just that way and still passed the psych evaluation!

Carole

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In a message dated 9/15/01 2:45:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

lisa_marie60@... writes:

> Honey SHUT THE FUCK UP, noone wants to hear your

> drivel........you are such a sad case......and i

> couldn't be happier that u spend so much of your time

> thinking about me.........get a life baby

>

>

This is NOT the place for this...if you have issues with a person, please

leave the rest of us out of it

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08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs! -15.5 inches

08/30/01 BMI 58 378.3 -36.8 lbs! -21.25 inches

09/10/01 BMI 57 373.0 -42.1 lbs!

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I retract my early post to you. I do not appreciate reading this.

Re: Re: depression

> Liane,

>

> Honey SHUT THE FUCK UP, noone wants to hear your

> drivel........you are such a sad case......and i

> couldn't be happier that u spend so much of your time

> thinking about me.........get a life baby

>

>

>

>

> --- " Lili F. " wrote:

> >

> > > ok Liane

> > > i thought i could perhaps post to this group the

> > same

> > > as anyone else on it........but i can see that u

> > hold

> > > grudges and that i will not be able to post

> > anything

> > > whether i have the knowlege or not or maybe that i

> > > possibly have more knowledge than u.

> >

> > But that is just it.. you do not have the knowledge

> > you claim to have.

> > It is not a flame.. I have responded to many other

> > than you who have

> > reported incorrect information. If you see it as

> > being " flamed " then

> > perhaps you should reexamine your motives here.. I

> > seem to recall

> > seeing quite a few posts recently from you, and the

> > only one I

> > responded to contained incorrect information

> > (actually, now I have

> > responded to TWO incorrect posts from you).

> >

> > ......i dont

> > > appreciate u flaming every post i make........if u

> > > can't keep your opinion to yourself or address me

> > > offlist, which would be most proper,

> >

> > This from the person who attempted to drag my

> > personal live OFF of

> > this list onto the list? Please.. I have nothing to

> > say to you that

> > is so personal that it need be sent privately.

> > Perhaps if your

> > information were correct, I would not feel compelled

> > to respond to it.

> > I don't need attention.. I get it based on my

> > merits, not because I

> > spread disinformation. I suppose is flaming

> > you too? She said

> > essentially the same thing, yet you were appropriate

> > in your response

> > to her. You just have issues.. and I don't care to

> > get into that here.

> > You know well that if I wanted to do so, I could

> > share quite a bit

> > more about you than I have.. but I have not, because

> > you are (despite

> > what you seem to think) just not that important to

> > me.

> >

> > but not somthing

> > > i believe u are capable of doing because u like

> > the

> > > attention.........you will never get me to leave

> > this

> > > list tho u have earnestly tried.......i just wont

> > post

> > > my experience or knowledge to the group and

> > therefore

> > > noone will get the benefit of what i might have to

> > > say.....

> >

> > When you actually have experience and knowledge,

> > feel free to post..

> > but if you post something that is not correct,

> > expect to hear about

> > it. As I said before.. I am not the only one who

> > feels your post was

> > incorrect.. and yet you accuse only me of " flaming. "

> > Please.. just

> > grow up. I don't care if you stay here or leave.. I

> > have a life &

> > plenty of friends both on & offline.. Just post

> > correct information &

> > do not try to appear as something that you are not,

> > & I don't care

> > what you say. Heck, for that matter, post whatever

> > you please.. if its

> > wrong, I'll just let someone else correct you.. and

> > they will.

> >

> > ..i refuse to go round and round with u on

> > > this.......so consider this over.......you my

> > sweet

> > > have won.......and i will never post again.......i

> > did

> > > have your posts blocked for a long time, and its

> > seems

> > > necessary to do that again.........i dont

> > understand

> > > why we cant live and let live, but u apparetnly

> > have a

> > > bee in your bonnnet and someone appointed u god.

> > so

> > > get over it......do not direct another post to me,

> > i

> > > will not engage in a flame war with u as u started

> > > last time.........if anyone wants my expertise

> > about

> > > something...........shameful as it is, they will

> > have

> > > to mail me privately, because lianne cannot

> > tolerate

> > > when I post to the group. NOW who is being the

> > grown

> > > up about this? if I can help anyone, please mail

> > me

> > > privately, that way we wont frustrate or perturb

> > > liane, and god forbid we do that. And trust me

> > baby I

> > > will tell Janice that u think that she does a

> > useless

> > > job spouting useless knowldege that wont help

> > anyone

> > > and of course Janice isn't the pinnacle of

> > knowledge

> > > of any kind.

> > >

> > Oh my sweet Jesus.. you are getting help from a

> > qualified health

> > professional about this conviction that you are so

> > important to the

> > entire functioning of the world, aren't you?

> >

> > By the way.. Janice(once again.. dragging my offlist

> > life onto this

> > list) actually IS a social worker who does a fine

> > job... She is very

> > intelligent and dedicated. YOU, on the other hand..

> > well.. you've

> > proven yourself thoroughly.. so enjoy.. I pity you,

> > .. I really

> > do.

> >

> > To anyone else wondering about this, feel free to

> > ask offlist..

> > despite our girl's conviction that I'm out to get

> > her, I'm not.. but I

> > don't care to post my offlist life online.

> >

> > And .. if you assalt Janice in the office

> > again.. you may lose

> > that job. Try to be professional, would you?

> >

> > Sigh.. I knew this was coming.. but I won't be

> > bullied into silence

> > because of this person.. bad information is bad

> > information.

> >

> >

> >

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

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I really couldn't care less......i won't allow liane

to treat me this way, if u have a problem with

it.....it's your problem......could not care less if i

have your sympathy or not.......personally does not

mean a thing to me.

--- wrote:

> I retract my early post to you. I do not appreciate

> reading this.

>

> Re: Re: depression

>

>

> > Liane,

> >

> > Honey SHUT THE FUCK UP, noone wants to hear your

> > drivel........you are such a sad case......and i

> > couldn't be happier that u spend so much of your

> time

> > thinking about me.........get a life baby

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- " Lili F. " wrote:

> > >

> > > > ok Liane

> > > > i thought i could perhaps post to this group

> the

> > > same

> > > > as anyone else on it........but i can see that

> u

> > > hold

> > > > grudges and that i will not be able to post

> > > anything

> > > > whether i have the knowlege or not or maybe

> that i

> > > > possibly have more knowledge than u.

> > >

> > > But that is just it.. you do not have the

> knowledge

> > > you claim to have.

> > > It is not a flame.. I have responded to many

> other

> > > than you who have

> > > reported incorrect information. If you see it as

> > > being " flamed " then

> > > perhaps you should reexamine your motives here..

> I

> > > seem to recall

> > > seeing quite a few posts recently from you, and

> the

> > > only one I

> > > responded to contained incorrect information

> > > (actually, now I have

> > > responded to TWO incorrect posts from you).

> > >

> > > ......i dont

> > > > appreciate u flaming every post i

> make........if u

> > > > can't keep your opinion to yourself or address

> me

> > > > offlist, which would be most proper,

> > >

> > > This from the person who attempted to drag my

> > > personal live OFF of

> > > this list onto the list? Please.. I have

> nothing to

> > > say to you that

> > > is so personal that it need be sent privately.

> > > Perhaps if your

> > > information were correct, I would not feel

> compelled

> > > to respond to it.

> > > I don't need attention.. I get it based on my

> > > merits, not because I

> > > spread disinformation. I suppose is

> flaming

> > > you too? She said

> > > essentially the same thing, yet you were

> appropriate

> > > in your response

> > > to her. You just have issues.. and I don't care

> to

> > > get into that here.

> > > You know well that if I wanted to do so, I could

> > > share quite a bit

> > > more about you than I have.. but I have not,

> because

> > > you are (despite

> > > what you seem to think) just not that important

> to

> > > me.

> > >

> > > but not somthing

> > > > i believe u are capable of doing because u

> like

> > > the

> > > > attention.........you will never get me to

> leave

> > > this

> > > > list tho u have earnestly tried.......i just

> wont

> > > post

> > > > my experience or knowledge to the group and

> > > therefore

> > > > noone will get the benefit of what i might

> have to

> > > > say.....

> > >

> > > When you actually have experience and knowledge,

> > > feel free to post..

> > > but if you post something that is not correct,

> > > expect to hear about

> > > it. As I said before.. I am not the only one

> who

> > > feels your post was

> > > incorrect.. and yet you accuse only me of

> " flaming. "

> > > Please.. just

> > > grow up. I don't care if you stay here or

> leave.. I

> > > have a life &

> > > plenty of friends both on & offline.. Just post

> > > correct information &

> > > do not try to appear as something that you are

> not,

> > > & I don't care

> > > what you say. Heck, for that matter, post

> whatever

> > > you please.. if its

> > > wrong, I'll just let someone else correct you..

> and

> > > they will.

> > >

> > > ..i refuse to go round and round with u on

> > > > this.......so consider this over.......you my

> > > sweet

> > > > have won.......and i will never post

> again.......i

> > > did

> > > > have your posts blocked for a long time, and

> its

> > > seems

> > > > necessary to do that again.........i dont

> > > understand

> > > > why we cant live and let live, but u

> apparetnly

> > > have a

> > > > bee in your bonnnet and someone appointed u

> god.

> > > so

> > > > get over it......do not direct another post to

> me,

> > > i

> > > > will not engage in a flame war with u as u

> started

> > > > last time.........if anyone wants my expertise

> > > about

> > > > something...........shameful as it is, they

> will

> > > have

> > > > to mail me privately, because lianne cannot

> > > tolerate

> > > > when I post to the group. NOW who is being the

> > > grown

> > > > up about this? if I can help anyone, please

> mail

> > > me

> > > > privately, that way we wont frustrate or

> perturb

> > > > liane, and god forbid we do that. And trust

> me

> > > baby I

> > > > will tell Janice that u think that she does a

> > > useless

> > > > job spouting useless knowldege that wont help

> > > anyone

> > > > and of course Janice isn't the pinnacle of

> > > knowledge

> > > > of any kind.

> > > >

> > > Oh my sweet Jesus.. you are getting help from a

> > > qualified health

> > > professional about this conviction that you are

> so

> > > important to the

> > > entire functioning of the world, aren't you?

> > >

> > > By the way.. Janice(once again.. dragging my

> offlist

> > > life onto this

> > > list) actually IS a social worker who does a

> fine

> > > job... She is very

> > > intelligent and dedicated. YOU, on the other

> hand..

> > > well.. you've

> > > proven yourself thoroughly.. so enjoy.. I pity

> you,

> > > .. I really

> > > do.

> > >

>

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  • 1 year later...
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Since there seems to be a lot of discussion about depression on the

board lately, I wanted to chime in and make a recommendation. There

is a book called THE NOONDAY DEMON by Solomon that I HIGHLY

recommend to anyone that wants to learn more about this disease. If

you know that you suffer from some sort of depression and have fought

it with limited success, this book will really open your eyes and

help you understand it better. I bought it after reading the NY

Times review and it has been worth every nickel.

I have finally recognized in my 40th year that my moods have been up

and down all my life for no apparent reason many times. I have also

realized that it really doesn't mean that I am a weak or bad person,

but have come to realize that this affliction was something that came

genetically programmed into my DNA. I am exactly like my Mother and

know she suffered greatly with it during her life. My quest now is

to understand it better and this book has helped tremendously. It

was nominated for a Pulitzer prize and has won 11 literary awards.

The author lays bare his life in it and reading it was really an

earth shattering, depressing but also uplifting experience for me all

in one. If you need to know more about this disease, this book is

fantastic. I really needed to try and connect the dots in my life

and understand this emotional roller coaster- this book has really

helped more than I ever imagined. I wanted to share because I

thought it might help someone else too.

R in Nashville

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  • 1 year later...

Absolutely. If you do a search in yahoo or google or whereever

on " tmj and depression " you'll get a ton of results. Also, I once

emailed an oral surgeon about this exact question. His reply was,

" Pain will cause depression. The changes in your jaw joints cause

physical problems that impact on your ability to function. This can

also be a cause of depression. A family physician could prescribe

anti-depressants. If your depression is severe, you should consult

with a psychiatrist. Psychologists usually are not able to prescribe

medications, and anyone in the dental field should not do so for

depression. "

Hope this helps,

>

> can my depression be linked to my tmj?

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