Re: On the genesis of scientific thinking that fats are bad for you

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Then again, none of us should go crazy eating saturated fats, if nothing more

than the simple reason that high fat diets can lead to obesity, which in turn

can cause health and heart issues.

>Heart disease - on the genesis of thinking that fats are bad for you

>

>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35058896/ns/health-heart_health//

>

> " It is now acknowledged that the original studies purporting to show a >linear

relation between cholesterol intake and coronary heart disease >may have

contained fundamental study design flaws, " wrote the author >of a recent review

in the International Journal of Clinical Practice.

>

>Mara

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> Then again, none of us should go crazy eating saturated fats, if nothing > more than the simple reason that high fat diets can lead to obesity, > which in turn can cause health and heart issues.>No, saturated fats don't lead to obesity; carbs do (though a small recent study preliminarily indicates that some people may have a gene that causes them to utilize fats differently). The saturate-fat-is-bad-for-you thing has been a big part of the fallacious argument used to link heart disease and saturated fat -- and the multi-billion dollar low-fat craze (especially in dairy products). We need the amino acids and other nutrition in saturated fats.  I'll recommend again the books Good Calories, Bad Calories  and Life Without Bread, both of which explain who the body makes energy and why we needs saturated fats but why we don't need to eat carbs (the body makes the carbs it needs from fats and proteins, but can't make protiens and fats unless you eat them). Good Calories, Bad Calories, particularly, very carefully traces the history of the studies that came to link saturated fats to obesity and heart diesease, and shows clearly how essentially one doctor/reasearcher (yes, one person was initially behind this), who had preconconcieved notions about what the outcomes should be, and had the clout to steer the results, decade after decade to match his preconceptions.n>>> Heart disease - on the genesis of thinking that fats are bad for you>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35058896/ns/health-heart_health//>>>> "It is now acknowledged that the original studies purporting to show a >> >linear relation between cholesterol intake and coronary heart disease >> >may have contained fundamental study design flaws," wrote the author >> >of a recent review in the International Journal of Clinical Practice.>>>> Mara>>-- Now available. A fine gift for cat lovers:Confessions of a Cataholic: My Life With the 10 Cats Who Caused My Addictionby n Van Tilwww.wordpowerpublishing.com ; signed copies; free shipping in U.S., reduced shipping elsewhere

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I'm not disputing the fact that carbs may cause carbs, but I challenge anyone to

eat a high fat diet (burgers, ice cream, fries, etc. etc.) and claim that they

can still stay thin and healthy! Nice dreaming!!

Everything in moderation, folks...

>

> > Then again, none of us should go crazy eating saturated fats, if nothing

> > more than the simple reason that high fat diets can lead to obesity,

> > which in turn can cause health and heart issues.

> >

> No, saturated fats don't lead to obesity; carbs do (though a small recent

> study preliminarily indicates that some people may have a gene that causes

> them to utilize fats differently). The saturate-fat-is-bad-for-you thing

> has been a big part of the fallacious argument used to link heart disease

> and saturated fat -- and the multi-billion dollar low-fat craze

> (especially in dairy products). We need the amino acids and other

> nutrition in saturated fats.

> I'll recommend again the books Good Calories, Bad Calories and Life

> Without Bread, both of which explain who the body makes energy and why we

> needs saturated fats but why we don't need to eat carbs (the body makes

> the carbs it needs from fats and proteins, but can't make protiens and

> fats unless you eat them). Good Calories, Bad Calories, particularly, very

> carefully traces the history of the studies that came to link saturated

> fats to obesity and heart diesease, and shows clearly how essentially one

> doctor/reasearcher (yes, one person was initially behind this), who had

> preconconcieved notions about what the outcomes should be, and had the

> clout to steer the results, decade after decade to match his

> preconceptions.

>

> n

>

> >

> >> Heart disease - on the genesis of thinking that fats are bad for you

> >>

> >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35058896/ns/health-heart_health//

> >>

> >> " It is now acknowledged that the original studies purporting to show a

> >> >linear relation between cholesterol intake and coronary heart disease

> >> >may have contained fundamental study design flaws, " wrote the author

> >> >of a recent review in the International Journal of Clinical Practice.

> >>

> >> Mara

> >

> >

>

>

> --

> Now available. A fine gift for cat lovers:

> Confessions of a Cataholic: My Life With the 10 Cats Who Caused My

> Addiction

> by n Van Til

> www.wordpowerpublishing.com ; signed copies; free shipping in U.S.,

> reduced shipping elsewhere

>

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Oops -- meant to say " high carbs may cause problems, " not " carbs may cause

carbs. "

> >

> > > Then again, none of us should go crazy eating saturated fats, if nothing

> > > more than the simple reason that high fat diets can lead to obesity,

> > > which in turn can cause health and heart issues.

> > >

> > No, saturated fats don't lead to obesity; carbs do (though a small recent

> > study preliminarily indicates that some people may have a gene that causes

> > them to utilize fats differently). The saturate-fat-is-bad-for-you thing

> > has been a big part of the fallacious argument used to link heart disease

> > and saturated fat -- and the multi-billion dollar low-fat craze

> > (especially in dairy products). We need the amino acids and other

> > nutrition in saturated fats.

> > I'll recommend again the books Good Calories, Bad Calories and Life

> > Without Bread, both of which explain who the body makes energy and why we

> > needs saturated fats but why we don't need to eat carbs (the body makes

> > the carbs it needs from fats and proteins, but can't make protiens and

> > fats unless you eat them). Good Calories, Bad Calories, particularly, very

> > carefully traces the history of the studies that came to link saturated

> > fats to obesity and heart diesease, and shows clearly how essentially one

> > doctor/reasearcher (yes, one person was initially behind this), who had

> > preconconcieved notions about what the outcomes should be, and had the

> > clout to steer the results, decade after decade to match his

> > preconceptions.

> >

> > n

> >

> > >

> > >> Heart disease - on the genesis of thinking that fats are bad for you

> > >>

> > >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35058896/ns/health-heart_health//

> > >>

> > >> " It is now acknowledged that the original studies purporting to show a

> > >> >linear relation between cholesterol intake and coronary heart disease

> > >> >may have contained fundamental study design flaws, " wrote the author

> > >> >of a recent review in the International Journal of Clinical Practice.

> > >>

> > >> Mara

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Now available. A fine gift for cat lovers:

> > Confessions of a Cataholic: My Life With the 10 Cats Who Caused My

> > Addiction

> > by n Van Til

> > www.wordpowerpublishing.com ; signed copies; free shipping in U.S.,

> > reduced shipping elsewhere

> >

>

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Hmm, Marilyn, are we married to the same guy? Don weighs exactly

what we weighed when we were married (42 years ago next month). I made a

pants pattern for him back them and I am still using it for him (wish I

could say the same for my figure). He eats exactly what he wants,

but never a huge amount and most of it is pretty healthy except it

wouldn't pass SCD but then he seems to have a stainles steel gut.

If he's worked in the yard or something, then he figures he has

earned dessert.

Did everyone see the article a couple of days ago talking about the

discovery, or possible discovery, of genetic differences between people

who gain/lose on carbs vs fats? Apparently there may be a real

difference. For me, I learned long ago that no matter what diet I

am on for health reasons, calories still do count. Sigh. Ten years

ago my brother, SIL, sister, and BIL all went on the low carb high

protein/fat diet. My brother lost 70 pounds, the others

either lost nothing or gained. He looked much better but I wonder

if such a high fat diet contributed to his stroke a few years

later.

That's my husband.

33 " waist.

33 " inseam.

Weighs the same thing he did when we were married almost 34 years ago, ie, about 160 pounds.

Cholesterol and blood pressure normal.

He eats mostly SCD -- and we have quite a bit of cheese and eggs and red meat. When we eat out, he gets his burgers with buns, and fries or onion strings. He has ice cream, too, when we eat out.

Marilyn

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>

> Hmm, Marilyn, are we married to the same guy? Don weighs exactly what we

weighed when we were married (42 years ago next month). I made a pants pattern

for him back them and I am still using it for him (wish I could say the same for

my figure). He eats exactly what he wants, but never a huge amount and most of

it is pretty healthy except it wouldn't pass SCD but then he seems to have a

stainles steel gut. If he's worked in the yard or something, then he figures he

has earned dessert.

>

> Did everyone see the article a couple of days ago talking about the discovery,

or possible discovery, of genetic differences between people who gain/lose on

carbs vs fats? Apparently there may be a real difference. For me, I learned

long ago that no matter what diet I am on for health reasons, calories still do

count. Sigh. Ten years ago my brother, SIL, sister, and BIL all went on the low

carb high protein/fat diet. My brother lost 70 pounds, the others either lost

nothing or gained. He looked much better but I wonder if such a high fat diet

contributed to his stroke a few years later.

,

if you read the article with which I started this thread, you would see that

high fats generally are not responsible for heart disease - which is why

I sent it along, especially if he was low carb at the same time.

There are 3 kinds of LDL apparently - and the meat/cream/bacon mostly

produce the kind of LDL which isn't harmful.

Mara

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The book Eat Fat Lose Fat is very helpful. It's from the authors of Nourishing

Traditions. Katy

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[Guest guest]

Mara, I lost a few notes and didn't get them read in order, and I

did see what you mentioned after I wrote this answer. Thanks for the

info.

if you read the article with which I started this thread, you would

see that

high fats generally are not responsible for heart disease - which is

why

I sent it along, especially if he was low carb at the same time.

There are 3 kinds of LDL apparently - and the meat/cream/bacon

mostly

produce the kind of LDL which isn't harmful.

Mara