Re: ot- vasectomy

[Guest guest]

Just make the appointment for him like I did...it worked better that way.

hehehe

Carol

Re: Re: DBB alternatives?

Stacee: Is your insurance company covering the s??

littleman1013 >

wrote: Best of luck to you with the insurance company! Ours typically tells us

they'll cover

something and then they don't, and I end up having to call and call

and call to get things

sorted out. Pain in the $%^%!!! Anyway, I hope this new company is

easier to deal with,

and if not, well you have experience from the other, right?

I just got the impression kit for the s and was so excited...

I almost considered

waking up from his nap to do the impression so I could send it

back!! How silly is

that?!? I can't wait to get the brace back and know for sure that his

little feet are

maintaining as they should!

I'm glad to hear that you'll be back into a healing cast, and that

visually the feet still look

good. I hope no correction has been lost during this time!! Where do

you live? Forgive

me if you posted that in the past... I can't keep up! I certainly

hope it's not too far from Dr

P and that you'll be able to see him soon!

Take care,

Stacee and 9/24/05 rcf

> > >I have decided to order the shoes for since

the

> > >Markells are killing her little feet, but I would like a

lighter

> > >alternative to the DBB. We have a six inch DBB (gold) which

must

> > >weigh several pounds! She can hardly lift it at all and not

very

> > >high. I know this is part of her frustration with the

bar/shoes.

> > >Since it is just a simple bar connecting the shoes, I'm sure

there

> > >must be a better alternative.

> > >Any suggestions are welcome.

> > >

> > >BTW, can I just rant a bit about the lack of knowledge of

orthotists

> > >and even orthopedists about what is out there for club foot

kids?

> > >No one had ever heard of an adjustable bar, and the orthotics

place

> > >(the best one in a large metropolitan city) didn't have any

shoes

> > >with the heel cut out for a baby her size. They put these

horribly

> > >stiff shoes with a heavy, heavy bar on a baby and then wonder

why

> > >the baby has problems?!? I do not get this except that it is

just

> > >little babies and toddlers who can't complain...if adults had

to

> > >wear the equivalent of this, they would go off the market

> > >immediately!

> > >

> > >Carol and , bcf, 10-27-05, currently out of the

Markells

> > >because of a pressure sore, uncasted and waiting to see the

> > >orthopedist on Monday

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

My hubby said he'd get the vasectomy done as well (and I haven't noticed him

rushing out to get it done), but I told him I want my tubes tied so that I

don't entertain the silly notion of having any more kids! I want to know that

it is over for me and that's final! But since I'm waiting until I am not

breastfeeding anymore, the subject is open for discussion...

Carol Shelton wrote: Just make the

appointment for him like I did...it worked better that way. hehehe

Carol

Re: Re: DBB alternatives?

Stacee: Is your insurance company covering the s??

littleman1013 >

wrote: Best of luck to you with the insurance company! Ours typically tells

us they'll cover

something and then they don't, and I end up having to call and call

and call to get things

sorted out. Pain in the $%^%!!! Anyway, I hope this new company

is easier to deal with,

and if not, well you have experience from the other, right?

I just got the impression kit for the s and was so

excited... I almost considered

waking up from his nap to do the impression so I could send

it back!! How silly is

that?!? I can't wait to get the brace back and know for sure that

his little feet are

maintaining as they should!

I'm glad to hear that you'll be back into a healing cast, and that

visually the feet still look

good. I hope no correction has been lost during this time!! Where

do you live? Forgive

me if you posted that in the past... I can't keep up! I certainly

hope it's not too far from Dr

P and that you'll be able to see him soon!

Take care,

Stacee and 9/24/05 rcf

> > >I have decided to order the shoes for

since the

> > >Markells are killing her little feet, but I would like a

lighter

> > >alternative to the DBB. We have a six inch DBB (gold)

which must

> > >weigh several pounds! She can hardly lift it at all and

not very

> > >high. I know this is part of her frustration with the

bar/shoes.

> > >Since it is just a simple bar connecting the shoes, I'm

sure there

> > >must be a better alternative.

> > >Any suggestions are welcome.

> > >

> > >BTW, can I just rant a bit about the lack of knowledge of

orthotists

> > >and even orthopedists about what is out there for club

foot kids?

> > >No one had ever heard of an adjustable bar, and the

orthotics place

> > >(the best one in a large metropolitan city) didn't have

any shoes

> > >with the heel cut out for a baby her size. They put

these horribly

> > >stiff shoes with a heavy, heavy bar on a baby and then

wonder why

> > >the baby has problems?!? I do not get this except that

it is just

> > >little babies and toddlers who can't complain...if adults

had to

> > >wear the equivalent of this, they would go off the market

> > >immediately!

> > >

> > >Carol and , bcf, 10-27-05, currently out of the

Markells

> > >because of a pressure sore, uncasted and waiting to see

the

> > >orthopedist on Monday

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Logically I should do it, I'd get it paid for through Cherokee Nation...for him

it will be out of pocket $ which is kind of tight to come up with...but then

again, it's kind of tight raising another kid, too.

s.

Re: Re: DBB alternatives?

Stacee: Is your insurance company covering the s??

littleman1013

> wrote: Best of luck to

you with the insurance company! Ours typically tells us they'll cover

something and then they don't, and I end up having to call and

call and call to get things

sorted out. Pain in the $%^%!!! Anyway, I hope this new company

is easier to deal with,

and if not, well you have experience from the other, right?

I just got the impression kit for the s and was so

excited... I almost considered

waking up from his nap to do the impression so I could

send it back!! How silly is

that?!? I can't wait to get the brace back and know for sure

that his little feet are

maintaining as they should!

I'm glad to hear that you'll be back into a healing cast, and

that visually the feet still look

good. I hope no correction has been lost during this time!!

Where do you live? Forgive

me if you posted that in the past... I can't keep up! I

certainly hope it's not too far from Dr

P and that you'll be able to see him soon!

Take care,

Stacee and 9/24/05 rcf

> > >I have decided to order the shoes for

since the

> > >Markells are killing her little feet, but I would like

a lighter

> > >alternative to the DBB. We have a six inch DBB (gold)

which must

> > >weigh several pounds! She can hardly lift it at all

and not very

> > >high. I know this is part of her frustration with the

bar/shoes.

> > >Since it is just a simple bar connecting the shoes, I'm

sure there

> > >must be a better alternative.

> > >Any suggestions are welcome.

> > >

> > >BTW, can I just rant a bit about the lack of knowledge

of orthotists

> > >and even orthopedists about what is out there for club

foot kids?

> > >No one had ever heard of an adjustable bar, and the

orthotics place

> > >(the best one in a large metropolitan city) didn't have

any shoes

> > >with the heel cut out for a baby her size. They put

these horribly

> > >stiff shoes with a heavy, heavy bar on a baby and then

wonder why

> > >the baby has problems?!? I do not get this except that

it is just

> > >little babies and toddlers who can't complain...if

adults had to

> > >wear the equivalent of this, they would go off the

market

> > >immediately!

> > >

> > >Carol and , bcf, 10-27-05, currently out of the

Markells

> > >because of a pressure sore, uncasted and waiting to see

the

> > >orthopedist on Monday

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I also told my husband that since I'm already going to the hospital,

I may as well get it done. But he insisted that he take care of

business. Fine. But has he made any effort into getting an

appointment? Of course not! In fact, he was going to get it done

last year but he said that during the mandatory " information video "

that they show the guys, he broke out in a cold sweat and said he

started feeling dizzy. He couldn't go through with it! Two months

later...I'm knocked up again! And here we are today.

I'm going to take Carol's advice and get that appointment for him.

:-)

Janice

Just make the

appointment for him like I did...it worked better that way. hehehe

>

> Carol

> Re: Re: DBB alternatives?

>

>

> I told him I wanted my tubes tied and he said he'd get

himself done instead...now following through is a different matter.

> s.

[Guest guest]

,

I had my three at 36, 37 and 39 (Claire, just a couple months before

turning 40), and all three were easy conceptions, pregnancies,

deliveries, recoveries, no problems at all. In fact I would've had

more without hesitation!

From my perspective now, the short months (in the grand scheme of

things) of pregnancy and those early days with a baby.. even the

awakenings, even the challenges (but joys) toddler and preschool

years.. are SO fleeting. Everyone tells you so, but looking back I

see it's true. I loved every bit of it, and it went by way too fast.

(My 'baby' now is 5 1/2..) =)

Of course that's just me and my experience..

but passing it along for what it's worth to hear!

>

> You guys are totally getting me worried, I'm 38 now and we want to

> have 1 more, probably start trying this fall after Sammy turns two,

> I'll be 39 then. I did have a harder time being pregnant w/ him

than

> I did with Jenna - I'm getting worried that #3 will be a much harder

> go, not to mention the post-partum stuff, ugh. My goal is to get

> myself in better shape for the next 8-9 months so that my body will

be

> better prepared for this next one. I also worry b/c I'll be the

same

> age as my mom was when she had my sister who has Downs.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, for what it's worth, my dh will not need a vasectomy, as we needed to go

through in-

vitro for all 3 of our kids. I have no tubes at all anymore, and couldn't get

pregnant to

begin with, so he lucked out!! As did I, I suppose... no birth control pills,

etc for me!!

I'm only 29 now, and just had my 3rd in Sept... one month after turning 29. I

definitely

feel a difference between this one and the previous two, and I'm still

incredibly young!! I

admire those who have the stamina to keep up at a little older than I am,

because I

struggle now!! I'm not one who could have waited to have them--I know that now.

The only thing I wish (and can't change) is that my kids were a little easier as

newborns

than they have been. However, you're absolutely right that it goes by soooo

very fast, and

once it's gone, it's gone forever. :-( I am anxious to sleep through the

night, but at the

same time, I (begrudgingly) cherish those moments spent nursing in the

middle of

the night in dead silence and calm. Those moments cannot ever be replaced or

duplicated

once they're sleeping through! Never in my life did I think I would utter those

words!!! :-)

I just love when the kids get a little older and are more interactive and less

needy. I love

when they start getting mobile and the curiosity shows!! It's amazing to watch!

That's my two cents on that.

As for names, we had girls names picked out for both boy pregnancies (Kaitlyn

ne

and Ava Helene) , but they obviously didn't get used. I'm glad now that we

didn't use

Kaitlyn because it's so prevalent nowadays. With my daughter's and last son's

pregnancies, we had names picked out for months ahead of time, then as I got

close to

delivery, my husband came home and blurted out different options. In both

cases, I

decided I liked the new ideas better. My daughter was originally

Mackenzie and

became . My second son was (grandpa was

, so we flipped it because I don't like as a first name) and

became

. I am very happy with both changes!! The name was out

of the

blue, but worked out well because the whole name now pays tribute to both

grandpas--

(dh's) and Jack (mine)... My first son started and remained Tyler

Harlan. We both

liked Tyler and Harlan is a long standing family name on dh's side. We tried to

stay with

names that weren't too common or outlandish, and almost acheived it. is

a little

more common than I thought it would be, but not bad.

So there's our story!! Have a great day!

Stacee

> >

> > You guys are totally getting me worried, I'm 38 now and we want to

> > have 1 more, probably start trying this fall after Sammy turns two,

> > I'll be 39 then. I did have a harder time being pregnant w/ him

> than

> > I did with Jenna - I'm getting worried that #3 will be a much harder

> > go, not to mention the post-partum stuff, ugh. My goal is to get

> > myself in better shape for the next 8-9 months so that my body will

> be

> > better prepared for this next one. I also worry b/c I'll be the

> same

> > age as my mom was when she had my sister who has Downs.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

No apologies necessary, I would be concerned anyway, regardless of

this discussion. I have felt like my hormones are still quite out of

whack since Sammy was born and am a bit concerned about how they will

react to my getting knocked up again. I am hoping that by time

september rolls around I will have gotten my act together (both

physically and mentally!) and be ready. Not that it is any indicator,

but I had a much easier pregnancy physically with Jenna than with

Sammy, mostly due to their positions. I carried Sammy so low I felt

like he was pushing my hips apart whenever I walked, so I'm kind of

hoping for another girl when the time comes.

As for the DS, I will definitely be a vitamin taking girl - my DH

wants me to get my OB to give me the prescription for the prenatals

asap. Does anyone know if there is a big difference between

prescription prenatals and OTC ones?

Just

> make the

> > appointment for him like I did...it worked better that way.

> hehehe

> > >

> > > Carol

> > > Re: Re: DBB

alternatives?

> > >

> > >

> > > I told him I wanted my tubes tied and he said

he'd get

> > himself done instead...now following through is a different

> matter.

> > > s.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Aw, ,

I just feel so bad for you, I know you are not awful, I can't imagine

you being anything other than a great mom, try not to let yourself get

down. Do you ever get any time off? Could DH give you just 1/2 hour

to yourself everyday? Any little bit might help. What about

exercise? I know some days you can't even think about it but it

really truly does help. If you are cooped up in the house with kids

all day maybe just get them outside and take a walk??? I am just

throwing stuff out there, hope something helps : )

We're all sure thinking about you, and sending you hugs!

>

> Yup, if you could just be pregnant and miserable without having to

change diapers, do homework, feed people, chase kids, and care about

all the " important " things that happen in each child's life, take care

of a husband.... you could almost survive pregnancy. I only say this

cause I am trying to find something positive about the whole situation

today. There has got to be something wrong with me cause try as I

might, I just can't enjoy this pregnancy or the last 5. I just hope

my kids don't remember how awful their mother was when they grow up.

Someday I hope to be a decent mother. And I am having the hardest

time tolerating the two kids I watch everyday. They are good kids and

I love them, but right now I just can't stand them. My own kids are

enough to handle most days. So I guess this makes me awful.

>

>

> Re: Re: ot- vasectomy

>

>

> Definately truth to that!

>

> Also, the fact that you have a two year old running around

makes a HUGE difference!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kori,

ok, so I'm gonna have to read that book, but thought maybe you might

have specific information related to women's cycles....Since having

a c-section with my daughter, my periods have been terrible...long

and very, very heavy. 3-4 day spotting in between each period. I'm

going crazy. Our only form of birth control is me knowing when I

ovulate and this crazy cycle makes me very uncertain. As a matter of

fact, I had a c-section with the previous one too and crazy periods

after that one and then along came another baby, totally unplanned.

I never had these problems until the c-sections (not after vaginal

delivery), so I don't know if it is related or what. I keep thinking

it will get better over time, but meanwhile...my husband is almost

44 years old and doesn't want more kids, is too chicken to have a

vasectomy, won't allow me to take any form of birth control (we

don't believe in it for spiritual reasons), and I refuse to be cut

open again! Oh well, guess I need to see my doctor, but thought

maybe that book of yours says something about what bleeding between

periods means related to ovulation. Thanks!

Donna

Just

make the

> > appointment for him like I did...it worked better that way.

hehehe

> > >

> > > Carol

> > > Re: Re: DBB

alternatives?

> > >

> > >

> > > I told him I wanted my tubes tied and he said he'd

get

> > himself done instead...now following through is a different

matter.

> > > s.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I don't take BC, and haven't for at least 3 years. Aleksander was

totally planned, and he came about after only one month of

actively " trying " to have him. Otherwise, I just know my body. I

don't chart anything, I just know. I can feel it. I know that may

sound strange, but I don't need a calendar, I don't need to write

things down, my body just tells me what is going on.

I tried taking BC, and the first pill I took gave me hives. The next

one was fine, but over a year before we wanted to have kids, I went

off the pill. After Aleksander, I tried taking it again, but I hate

it. I feel horrible, I get worse cramps, horrible headaches and am

generally miserable. Without the pill, I only have really minor

cramps, and I don't have any mood swings like I did with the pill.

And, we've managed not to get pregnant unless we were trying to.

That said, my body is like an atomic clock. It is on time every

month, practically to the time of day.

Once we are done having children though, my husband will be going in

to get his business taken care of. He knows how miserable I am when

I'm on the pill, and we just can't afford to have more children than

we have planned for. Plus, I don't think he wants to deal with me

when I'm taking the pill. Now that he sees the difference, he knows

it would be far less painful to get clipped!

> > " Taking Charge of Your Fertility " is an awesome book! But, while we

> >did track cycles, etc. in order to GET pregnant, I'm not sure I

would

> >trust the method in order to NOT get pregnant.

>

>

> It can be done, you just have to take the rules for getting pg,

turn

> it around and add a day or two to each side to be sure. Also,

> anything *wet* is considered fertile (even if we know it isn't lol)

> and then you have to add two days to any *wet* day ending using

> either abstinence or barrier method. In the end, it means you

have

> to be ultra conservative but it CAN be done. The failure rate is

> actually equal to whatever barrier method you use during fertile

days

> (including any and all wet days, plus two at any other time in the

> cycle). So if you use a condom, it's 99.99% or whatever the condom

> says. If you use abstinence... well that's 100% lol.

>

> After a while of doing it day in, day out... especially if you

have

> any sort of regularity you end up knowing where you are at any

given

> time and I think... that *wet day* rule can even be skimped on.

With

> temps (that show spike) and CF charting, cervix

> position/sensation... If you're doing all that and never see

> anything near fertile quality CF after the spike... but just

> wet... well... I myself trust it. Using it for BC can be

somewhat

> restrictive, the only truly for absolute sure without checking

> anything safe time is the first 5 days of your cycle (usually

during

> a bleed) and after the temp spike (+2, or any more wet days +2) but

> that still gives you plenty of safe days if you check the 3 times

per

> day like you're supposed to. Sure there's a slight possibility of

a

> double ovulation, but that will happen within a couple of days of

the

> first spike and CF should remain fertile till that happens

> (RARE!). If you know what to look for, you're pretty good to go as

> long as you're physically charting. Seems like a lot of work, but

> it's not really once it's second nature (kinda like all this CF

stuff

> in a way lol).

>

> I'm not saying it's for everyone, but it's worth a look to see if

it

> may be the answer for each person individually. I for one...

can't

> take hormonal BC. We also are creative... so rarely have to use

> barrier methods lol. Not so bad for me. If I ever would

mistakenly

> get pg... it'd be because *I* wasn't doing what I should, not the

> failure of the method.

>

> Kori

>

[Guest guest]

Was it on this site that I read that a baby was born holding the IUD

in his hand? To answer you question...No, we don't believe in

anything. It used to be just my husband telling me no, but after

reading up on how these things really work(I went on the pill for a

short while after having , against my husbands wishes, but

when I read the information in the packet it stated that a

fertilized egg could happen, but that it just couldn't implant,

sounds like abortion to me...so no thanks on the pill. ditto for the

IUD), I do feel that they are hostile to our bodies and to God's

plan for our lives. I choose to put my life in God's hands, but at

the same time, my husband doesn't want more kids, so it is really

difficult. I would be fine with more kids, but financially I don't

know how we would survive it! So I consider Natural Family Planning

my only option...but then there's that darn breakthrough bleeding.

ARGH! Thanks for the suggestion.

Donna

Just

> make the

> > > appointment for him like I did...it worked better that

way.

> hehehe

> > > >

> > > > Carol

> > > > Re: Re: DBB

> alternatives?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I told him I wanted my tubes tied and he said

he'd

> get

> > > himself done instead...now following through is a

different

> matter.

> > > > s.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >