measurements

[Guest guest]

Too little body fat will mess up your cycles and cause an inability to have

children, as well as other biological problems. Fat is the primary

component of cell walls, so you have to have some of it to survive.

How are you doing your body fat analysis? I'm curious because some ways of

determining it will show a lower percentage then what is accurate. If you

are still having a roll around the belly that is fat, then you aren't in the

teens with body fat. So, if it is an accurate way of doing body fat

(bio-impedance or hydrostatic weighing are the most accurate), then I would

guess it is the excess skin. Unfortunately, the only way to get rid of

excess skin is with plastic surgery.

Tonya

Re: measurements

<nancydewolf@...> wrote:

>

>

>Be careful about the body fat though, your body does need a certain amount

of fat in >order to work right. I'm at about 14% and was cautioned by a

trainer not to drop any >more, that I was already too far below the 20%

recommended for women my age (42).

That's interesting. I've never heard such a thing. I was under the

impression ,especially with belly fat, it's a bad thing. Not to mention,

unattractive.

I don't want to be totally without fat, bodybuilderish. I would like to be

able to sit without having a layer of fat laying on my lap. I would like to

have a six pack (which I'm pretty sure I have but it's hiding behind the

belly fat.) Of course, i'd like to know how much of the belly stuff on me is

fat vs extra skin. ( I'd been overweight, actually obese, for some time and

had two really big babies...9lbs and 9.3lbs, my first was only 7.8 but he

didn't have enough room to go and was born with club foot. (all better now,

had surgery at 6 months old or he wouldn't of been able to walk.) Yeah, so

I was huge!!! And at only 5.3. my skin stretched out to the max!

>(which means I'm truly cancer free!!!!!!!!!! 5 year breast cancer

survivor!!!!!!)

Congratulations!!!!!

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Too little body fat will mess up your cycles and cause an inability to have

children, as well as other biological problems. Fat is the primary

component of cell walls, so you have to have some of it to survive.

How are you doing your body fat analysis? I'm curious because some ways of

determining it will show a lower percentage then what is accurate. If you

are still having a roll around the belly that is fat, then you aren't in the

teens with body fat. So, if it is an accurate way of doing body fat

(bio-impedance or hydrostatic weighing are the most accurate), then I would

guess it is the excess skin. Unfortunately, the only way to get rid of

excess skin is with plastic surgery.

Tonya

Re: measurements

<nancydewolf@...> wrote:

>

>

>Be careful about the body fat though, your body does need a certain amount

of fat in >order to work right. I'm at about 14% and was cautioned by a

trainer not to drop any >more, that I was already too far below the 20%

recommended for women my age (42).

That's interesting. I've never heard such a thing. I was under the

impression ,especially with belly fat, it's a bad thing. Not to mention,

unattractive.

I don't want to be totally without fat, bodybuilderish. I would like to be

able to sit without having a layer of fat laying on my lap. I would like to

have a six pack (which I'm pretty sure I have but it's hiding behind the

belly fat.) Of course, i'd like to know how much of the belly stuff on me is

fat vs extra skin. ( I'd been overweight, actually obese, for some time and

had two really big babies...9lbs and 9.3lbs, my first was only 7.8 but he

didn't have enough room to go and was born with club foot. (all better now,

had surgery at 6 months old or he wouldn't of been able to walk.) Yeah, so

I was huge!!! And at only 5.3. my skin stretched out to the max!

>(which means I'm truly cancer free!!!!!!!!!! 5 year breast cancer

survivor!!!!!!)

Congratulations!!!!!

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi Darcy,

I'm not sure I understand your numbers. Your "underfat" (meaning not enough fat??) is higher than the numbers you say are right for men or women. I was told around 20% is good for women my age (41 at the time I had my body fat checked by a trainer using a professional model Tanita scale, not sure if that is very accurate or not, just assuming it is but might be wrong).

Re: Re: measurements

Yes, the body has to have fat for proper function. For women, thatnumber is around 10 - 13%, and for men it's around 2 - 4%."Underfat" would be 5 - 7% for men and 14 - 20% for women. Thesepercents will vary a bit depending on age.DarcyOn Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:46 AM, kellyboatrightymail<kellyboatrightymail> wrote:>> That's interesting. I've never heard such a thing. I was under the> impression ,especially with belly fat, it's a bad thing. Not to mention,> unattractive.

[Guest guest]

Carrying excess fat around the belly is considered higher risk for heart issues especially but, as Tonya explained much better than I can, we need a certain amount of body fat for proper functioning and you can't control where your body deposits fat either. You might google it or check a medical website for more info. When I lost my weight I lost my love handles and my DH was a bit bummed because he liked being able to put his hand there as we walked together (he got over it though)! I have very low body fat and until recently still seemed to have what appeared to be too much fat around my stomach but a trainer told me I just needed to work on toning my core. I had two c-sections so that didn't help matters but it turns out she was right. I've been working abs pretty hard the last few months and I'm finally seeing some definition and much less of what I thought was fat. Hopefully you will have similar results soon too!

Thanks on the congrats too!

Re: measurements

<nancydewolf@...> wrote:>> >Be careful about the body fat though, your body does need a certain amount of fat in >order to work right. I'm at about 14% and was cautioned by a trainer not to drop any >more, that I was already too far below the 20% recommended for women my age (42).That's interesting. I've never heard such a thing. I was under the impression ,especially with belly fat, it's a bad thing. Not to mention, unattractive.I don't want to be totally without fat, bodybuilderish. I would like to be able to sit without having a layer of fat laying on my lap. I would like to have a six pack (which I'm pretty sure I have but it's hiding behind the belly fat.) Of course, i'd like to know how much of the belly stuff on me is fat vs extra skin. ( I'd been overweight, actually obese, for some time and had two really big babies...9lbs and 9.3lbs, my first was only 7.8 but he didn't have enough room to go and was born with club foot. (all better now, had surgery at 6 months old or he wouldn't of been able to walk.) Yeah, so I was huge!!! And at only 5.3. my skin stretched out to the max!>(which means I'm truly cancer free!!!!!!!!!! 5 year breast cancer survivor!!!!!!) Congratulations!!!!!

[Guest guest]

Thank you Tonya, you're so good at explaining. I'm horrible..ugh..

Darcy

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Tonya -

<tonya@...> wrote:

>

> That's exactly right. Essential fat is just the amount of fat that your

> body has to have in order to properly function. Underfat is above

> essential, but still lower then optimal. Kinda like underweight is between

> ideal weight and in a state of starvation.

>

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Hi -

That is great you had so much support! And others around on the day of the LAST pill:-) Yes, a dinner is definitely in order:-) A great way to celebrate.

Every time I hit a year mark I got another ear piercing, doubles and then triples. This year I didn't want anymore so my husband and I went out:-) It is nice to celebrate - it is so special.

I am so glad your cancer was caught early. That is so encouraging. Mine was too and I am so thankful. I had a lumpectomy and 8 weeks of radiation. It wasn't too bad really. That is great you are eating so well and exercising. I really think that and attitude play such a big part in recovery. You have a wonderful attitude too:-)

Keep up the great work!

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[Guest guest]

Okay, I get it now. That term "underfat" threw me. Still does too, what does it mean (besides what the numbers mean, I'm just talking about the term... I'm a language nut, sorry).

Anyway, now I understand why the trainer seemed concerned that my body fat (according to the scale which I realize is not as accurate as other methods) seemed so low and that my weight was too. Meanwhile, my response was just giddiness! ;-) She suggested I should weigh about 5 or 10 pounds more than I normally do and that if I do have any problems with my cycle off tamoxifen that I should consider gaining weight (and I'm sure you can guess how I felt/feel about that particular suggestion). Will talk with my doc if I do. At this point, it will probably just be perimenopause though! ;-)

RE: Re: measurements

That's exactly right. Essential fat is just the amount of fat that yourbody has to have in order to properly function. Underfat is aboveessential, but still lower then optimal. Kinda like underweight is betweenideal weight and in a state of starvation.Tonya-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Darcy LedmanSent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: Re: Re: measurementsCorrect. I took those numbers off of a chart from ISSA. Obviouslythe essential fat would be "way underfat" too..LOL... The underfatwould mean that your body would function properly, but stillconsidered underfat. Whereas if you didn't have the essential fat,your organs would not function properly. Make sense?Tonya help out. I am TERRIBLE at trying to explain.... LOL..DarcyOn Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:45 PM, <nancydewolfsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:> Your "underfat" (meaning not enough fat??) is higher than the numbers you> say are right for men or women. I was told around 20% is good for women my> age (41 at the time I had my body fat checked by a trainer using a> professional model Tanita scale, not sure if that is very accurate or not,> just assuming it is but might be wrong).>------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I thought that no one can spot reduce an area such as the abs. I thought that in order to lose the fat around your middle that you have to do cardio to burn off the fat all over the whole body then do core work to shape the muscles. From what I've read in Shape. Self and from online articles, ab fat is usually the last to go. Jen>> >Be careful about the body fat though, your body does need a certain amount of fat in >order to work right. I'm at about 14% and was cautioned by a trainer not to drop any >more, that I was already too far below the 20% recommended for women my age (42).That's interesting. I've never heard such a thing. I was under the impression ,especially with belly fat, it's a bad thing. Not to mention, unattractive.I don't want to be totally without fat, bodybuilderish. I would like to be able to sit without having a layer of fat laying on my lap. I would like to have a six pack (which I'm pretty sure I have but it's hiding behind the belly fat.) Of course, i'd like to know how much of the belly stuff on me is fat vs extra skin. ( I'd been overweight, actually obese, for some time and had two really big babies...9lbs and 9.3lbs, my first was only 7.8 but he didn't have enough room to go and was born with club foot. (all better now, had surgery at 6 months old or he wouldn't of been able to walk.) Yeah, so I was huge!!! And at only 5.3. my skin stretched out to the max!>(which means I'm truly cancer free!!!!!!!! !! 5 year breast cancer survivor!!!! !!) Congratulations! !!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi , I would rather not post my food here because in the past I felt somewhat criticized rather than given positive feedback. Yes I snack on nuts but not a lot just a handful. I can't follow the schedule because I can't do CLX's cardio workouts because they are too hard for me right now and I felt some pain in my knees and I don't want to risk hurting them. I'm going as heavy as I can in the weights. I record if the weight was heavy enough, too heavy or too light so that I know what to use next time I do that workout. Jen

From: kellyboatright@... <kellyboatright@...>Subject: Re: measurements Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 9:41 PM

Jen,

>My food is pretty good but I'm going to start writing down what I eat.

Good idea!!!! Share it with us and we'll give you pointers! Like... do you snack?

>

> p.s. I'm thinking of doing CLX strength workout every other day, do you think that will be ok?

I'd stick to the schedule. Go heavier with the weights. Add more cardio if you want more.

>

> > Hi , that's great! Are you following CLX as written or did you modify it? If so, how?

I did modify the Recharge video. I didn't care for it so I did another KS yogo and now I do Extreme Abs instead.

> I was very good with my eating up til the end of the month. We went out to eat 2 sundays in a row and I went crazy on the yummies! No specific diet. Just the new way I eat. I say I average 1600 calories a day. But I really don't focus on that. If I'm hungry.... I eat!

>

>

>

> BF is usually light-

>

> Activia w/ strawberries added or

>

> multi grain cherrios w/ banana in skim milk or

>

> s. eggs w/ cheese/and an orange

>

> or

>

> skakeology

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> mid morning snack-

>

>

>

> p90x bars - after weight training days! right after workout. I only get 3/4's of it b/c my

>

> girls want some.

>

> or

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> Fiber Plus Antioxd. bars - I really like them both but I've been doing the dark

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> chocolate/almond one instead of the milk chocolate one

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> Shakelology if I didnt have it for b.f. or

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> tuna w/ crackers or on w.w.bread or

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> leftovers

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> mid day snack -

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> granny smith apple with p.b on top -- yummy!!! or

>

> activia w/ strawberries or

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> orange or

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> sun chips or

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> Fiber Plus Antiox bars

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> dinner -

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>

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> something healthy - protien, veggies

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>

>

> Hope this helps. I see you do a lot of BB stuff. Turbo Jam is a fav of mine also. I got started with my weight loss doing Hip Hop Abs. Are you a coach also or a bb member? If so, what is your screen name? I'll add you as a workout buddy.

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> BB coach BeSexyNow

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> www.fitnesspaystoda y.com

>

[Guest guest]

Hmm.. I don't believe that statement is accurate. It's where you gain

first is going to be the last to go. That could vary from person to

person. For instance, besides my bloat, I have little fat on my

stomach. However, my saddle bag area............

Darcy

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:15 AM, from Michigan

<volleyjen0416@...> wrote:

>

>    From what I've read in Shape. Self and from online articles, ab fat is

> usually the last to go.

[Guest guest]

tell me about it LOL fitness blogmy domainSpecial Needs Scouting Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don’t want to impress people they don’t like.-Will

From what I've read in Shape. Self and from online articles, ab fat is usually the last to go.

[Guest guest]

I think, and I could be wrong, but you lose all over at generally the same rate. If you carry a lot of your weight in the lower part of your body then it will appear to take longer to lose that fat but it is only because there was more deposited from the beginning.

Re: Re: measurements

Hmm.. I don't believe that statement is accurate. It's where you gainfirst is going to be the last to go. That could vary from person toperson. For instance, besides my bloat, I have little fat on mystomach. However, my saddle bag area............DarcyOn Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:15 AM, from Michigan<volleyjen0416 > wrote:>> From what I've read in Shape. Self and from online articles, ab fat is> usually the last to go.

[Guest guest]

Oh, my heart is just pouring out to you underfat people! I will gladly donate

some of mine if you need any! I'm really generous that way.

: you look fantastic, and you know what, a little loose skin and stretch

marks are normal for someone who's had kids and lost a lot of weight. YOU ARE

BEAUTIFUL! Plastic surgery is there if you really want to splurge and such, but

I kind of like that you have the stretch marks because it makes you human, many

women such as myself can relate, and it's very inspiring! I can look at air

brushed fitness models all the time if I wanted too; I like your photo even

better because that's what most people look like. The media really pushes upon

us this false, unrealistic sense of beauty. YOU are the real deal!

> > Your " underfat " (meaning not enough fat??) is higher than the numbers you

> > say are right for men or women. I was told around 20% is good for women my

> > age (41 at the time I had my body fat checked by a trainer using a

> > professional model Tanita scale, not sure if that is very accurate or not,

> > just assuming it is but might be wrong).

> >

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's EXACTLY what my situation was. I thought it was fat but it was just soft muscle looking like fat. Now it is looking like firm, healthy muscle (not a six pack but firm). I never knew about the girdle effect but that is great to know, I can use that as incentive for some of my WWs who don't want to exercise! :-)

RE: Re: measurements

You’re right Jen, you can’t spot reduce. But if you don’t work your abs enough, even if there is very little fat there, it will look like fat because the muscle is soft. Strengthening the muscle will tighten it up and make it act like a girdle and squeeze in. It’s a trick we trainers use to help people who want to lose in the belly first too. That girdle effect will squeeze in some of the remaining fat so it seems like you’ve lost it before you actually do.

Tonya

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of from MichiganSent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 3:15 AM Subject: Re: Re: measurements

I thought that no one can spot reduce an area such as the abs. I thought that in order to lose the fat around your middle that you have to do cardio to burn off the fat all over the whole body then do core work to shape the muscles. From what I've read in Shape. Self and from online articles, ab fat is usually the last to go. Jen>> >Be careful about the body fat though, your body does need a certain amount of fat in >order to work right. I'm at about 14% and was cautioned by a trainer not to drop any >more, that I was already too far below the 20% recommended for women my age (42).That's interesting. I've never heard such a thing. I was under the impression ,especially with belly fat, it's a bad thing. Not to mention, unattractive.I don't want to be totally without fat, bodybuilderish. I would like to be able to sit without having a layer of fat laying on my lap. I would like to have a six pack (which I'm pretty sure I have but it's hiding behind the belly fat.) Of course, i'd like to know how much of the belly stuff on me is fat vs extra skin. ( I'd been overweight, actually obese, for some time and had two really big babies...9lbs and 9.3lbs, my first was only 7.8 but he didn't have enough room to go and was born with club foot. (all better now, had surgery at 6 months old or he wouldn't of been able to walk.) Yeah, so I was huge!!! And at only 5.3. my skin stretched out to the max!>(which means I'm truly cancer free!!!!!!!! !! 5 year breast cancer survivor!!!! !!) Congratulations! !!!!

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[Guest guest]

AWESOME EXPLANATION, TONYA!!!!!! I totally get it now!!! Thank you for taking the time to write that!!!!

New question... if you're at the underfat level, what kinds of things would you notice regarding your body not performing at its peak? Would you notice especially if you have no idea what your body at its peak feels like? Also, do you know how accurate a Tanita (professional model) scale with the body fat analyzer feature would likely be? It said I was 14% and I'm wondering how much that is give or take. I weigh about 109 and am 5' tall (okay, 4' 11 3/4" but it is close enough to 5' to call it that for this purpose) and I have seen at least one other place that my "happy weight" (that's what it said) is around 114. I've been really happy where I am and less so at 115 but that might be more emotional than physical. I do want to have my body running in peak condition and optimal health. I know some of this might be things you can't answer without actually having me in person but if you can answer any of it, I'd really appreciate it.

RE: Re: measurements

That's exactly right. Essential fat is just the amount of fat that yourbody has to have in order to properly function. Underfat is aboveessential, but still lower then optimal. Kinda like underweight is betweenideal weight and in a state of starvation.Tonya-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Darcy LedmanSent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: Re: Re: measurementsCorrect. I took those numbers off of a chart from ISSA. Obviouslythe essential fat would be "way underfat" too..LOL... The underfatwould mean that your body would function properly, but stillconsidered underfat. Whereas if you didn't have the essential fat,your organs would not function properly. Make sense?Tonya help out. I am TERRIBLE at trying to explain.... LOL..DarcyOn Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:45 PM, <nancydewolfsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:> Your "underfat" (meaning not enough fat??) is higher than the numbers you> say are right for men or women. I was told around 20% is good for women my> age (41 at the time I had my body fat checked by a trainer using a> professional model Tanita scale, not sure if that is very accurate or not,> just assuming it is but might be wrong).>------------------------------------

[Guest guest]



Once again, just to sound like a broken record, you also have to eat healthy, in healthy portions... diet is 70-80% of weight loss. That is NOT a comment on what or how much you eat. I don't have a clue about your foods so I'm not commenting, I'm just saying that you keep emphasizing how cardio is going to take care of the weight but cardio is only a very small part of it. Weight training, btw, is super important too because muscle is an active tissue that will burn lots of calories even while you're resting. The more muscle you have, the higher your metabolism. However, just to repeat myself... you still have to make diet a really big priority.

I'm done repeating myself for now.

RE: Re: measurements

I said that you had to do core work which is the entire core in order to strengthen the muscles. I will still need to do a TON of cardio to get rid of these abs. I think I will start doing Power 90's T-100 ab burner on my cardio days. It's shorter and effective. My abs are so weak and they're weaker now since my abdominal hysterectomy so I know it will take a long time to strengthen them. Jen>> >Be careful about the body fat though, your body does need a certain amount of fat in >order to work right. I'm at about 14% and was cautioned by a trainer not to drop any >more, that I was already too far below the 20% recommended for women my age (42).That's interesting. I've never heard such a thing. I was under the impression ,especially with belly fat, it's a bad thing. Not to mention, unattractive.I don't want to be totally without fat, bodybuilderish. I would like to be able to sit without having a layer of fat laying on my lap. I would like to have a six pack (which I'm pretty sure I have but it's hiding behind the belly fat.) Of course, i'd like to know how much of the belly stuff on me is fat vs extra skin. ( I'd been overweight, actually obese, for some time and had two really big babies...9lbs and 9.3lbs, my first was only 7.8 but he didn't have enough room to go and was born with club foot. (all better now, had surgery at 6 months old or he wouldn't of been able to walk.) Yeah, so I was huge!!! And at only 5.3. my skin stretched out to the max!>(which means I'm truly cancer free!!!!!!!! !! 5 year breast cancer survivor!!!! !!) Congratulations! !!!!

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[Guest guest]

You're so generous, ! But unless Tonya tells me I should accept your offer, I'm declining it. :-)

LOVE your message to too! You are super sweet and such a real deal yourself!

Re: measurements

Oh, my heart is just pouring out to you underfat people! I will gladly donate some of mine if you need any! I'm really generous that way.: you look fantastic, and you know what, a little loose skin and stretch marks are normal for someone who's had kids and lost a lot of weight. YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL! Plastic surgery is there if you really want to splurge and such, but I kind of like that you have the stretch marks because it makes you human, many women such as myself can relate, and it's very inspiring! I can look at air brushed fitness models all the time if I wanted too; I like your photo even better because that's what most people look like. The media really pushes upon us this false, unrealistic sense of beauty. YOU are the real deal!> > Your "underfat" (meaning not enough fat??) is higher than the numbers you> > say are right for men or women. I was told around 20% is good for women my> > age (41 at the time I had my body fat checked by a trainer using a> > professional model Tanita scale, not sure if that is very accurate or not,> > just assuming it is but might be wrong).> >> > ------------------------------------> >

[Guest guest]

,

Fat is responsible for the proper functioning of cell membranes,

skin elasticity, hormone regulation, and transportation of fat soluble

vitamins. So, going too low would probably show up first in lack of skin

elasticity and female issues due to hormone levels being out of whack.

Energy levels and immunity issues could possibly also show up due to the lack

of ability to utilize the fat soluble vitamins A, D, E, and K. Honestly,

though, I wouldn’t worry too much about being underfat as long as you

maintain the essential fat. Professional athletes have a tendency to fall

in that underfat category so much so that my ACE manual actually lists 14-20%

for women as Athletes instead of Underfat. So, at 14% I wouldn’t

worry too much about it, but if you drop below that, add in more calories and good

healthy fats.

As for your scale, the Tanita is the best! Bioelectrical

impedance is the 2nd best form of body composition measurement

behind hydrostatic weighing, which is extremely expensive and usually only

offered at universities and hospitals. I would trust that reading as

accurate. But, know that if it runs on batteries, it will be slightly off

when the battery gets low. Also, Bio-impedance is effected by body water

content so it isn’t accurate within 3 days of your period or if you are

dehydrated.

Tonya

From:

[mailto: ] On

Behalf Of nancydewolf@...

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 4:59 PM

Subject: Re: Re: measurements

AWESOME

EXPLANATION, TONYA!!!!!! I totally get it now!!! Thank you for taking the time

to write that!!!!

New

question... if you're at the underfat level, what kinds of things would you

notice regarding your body not performing at its peak? Would you notice

especially if you have no idea what your body at its peak feels like? Also, do

you know how accurate a Tanita (professional model) scale with the body fat

analyzer feature would likely be? It said I was 14% and I'm wondering how much

that is give or take. I weigh about 109 and am 5' tall (okay, 4' 11 3/4 "

but it is close enough to 5' to call it that for this purpose) and I have seen

at least one other place that my " happy weight " (that's what it said)

is around 114. I've been really happy where I am and less so at 115

but that might be more emotional than physical. I do want to have my body

running in peak condition and optimal health. I know some of this might be

things you can't answer without actually having me in person but if you can

answer any of it, I'd really appreciate it.

-----

Original Message -----

From: Tonya -

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009

9:25 AM

Subject: RE: [Exercise

Videos] Re: measurements

Okay, let’s see if this makes more

sense. You know about cars needing oil, right. Ideally, they have

somewhere between 4 and 6 quarts depending on the size of the engine. The

4-6 quarts would be the optimal amount of fat and correlates to the 20%ish mark

of body fat. At that level, both the car and the body run great.

When the car starts burning oil and gets down to 3-5 quarts (again depending on

size, kinda like body fat depends on gender), you might hear a knock in

the engine or a sputter, and when it gets to 1 to 2 quarts, your car

won’t run because the oil isn’t there to do its thing in the

engine. If you drop below the optimal amount of body fat, your body will

still function, but not perform at its peak. That’s Underfat.

If you drop below the essential, things will quit working in the body.

It won’t kill you immediately, just like running out of oil

won’t kill your car immediately. But eventually, you will see the

negative health effects.

Tonya

From:

[mailto: ] On

Behalf Of nancydewolf@...

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:44 PM

Subject: Re: Re: measurements

Okay, I get it now. That term " underfat "

threw me. Still does too, what does it mean (besides what the numbers mean, I'm

just talking about the term... I'm a language nut, sorry).

Anyway, now I understand why the trainer seemed

concerned that my body fat (according to the scale which I realize is not as

accurate as other methods) seemed so low and that my weight was too. Meanwhile,

my response was just giddiness! ;-) She suggested I should weigh about 5

or 10 pounds more than I normally do and that if I do have any problems

with my cycle off tamoxifen that I should consider gaining weight (and I'm sure

you can guess how I felt/feel about that particular suggestion). Will talk with

my doc if I do. At this point, it will probably just be perimenopause though!

;-)

Re: Re: measurements

Correct. I took those numbers off of a chart from ISSA. Obviously

the essential fat would be " way underfat " too..LOL... The underfat

would mean that your body would function properly, but still

considered underfat. Whereas if you didn't have the essential fat,

your organs would not function properly. Make sense?

Tonya help out. I am TERRIBLE at trying to explain.... LOL..

Darcy

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:45 PM, <nancydewolf@...>

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> Your " underfat " (meaning not enough fat??) is higher than the

numbers you

> say are right for men or women. I was told around 20% is good for women my

> age (41 at the time I had my body fat checked by a trainer using a

> professional model Tanita scale, not sure if that is very accurate or not,

> just assuming it is but might be wrong).

>

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Thank you tons, Tonya, this is so helpful (and reassuring)! The scale isn't mine (though now I'm wishing it was). It was the one at the training facility when I had my fitness assessment last fall. Thank you again!!!

RE: Re: measurements

That's exactly right. Essential fat is just the amount of fat that yourbody has to have in order to properly function. Underfat is aboveessential, but still lower then optimal. Kinda like underweight is betweenideal weight and in a state of starvation.Tonya-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Darcy LedmanSent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: Re: Re: measurementsCorrect. I took those numbers off of a chart from ISSA. Obviouslythe essential fat would be "way underfat" too..LOL... The underfatwould mean that your body would function properly, but stillconsidered underfat. Whereas if you didn't have the essential fat,your organs would not function properly. Make sense?Tonya help out. I am TERRIBLE at trying to explain.... LOL..DarcyOn Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:45 PM, <nancydewolfsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:> Your "underfat" (meaning not enough fat??) is higher than the numbers you> say are right for men or women. I was told around 20% is good for women my> age (41 at the time I had my body fat checked by a trainer using a> professional model Tanita scale, not sure if that is very accurate or not,> just assuming it is but might be wrong).>------------------------------------

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I don't agree with your % of diet/exercise because I still believe to lose weight you have to exercise more than what you eat. I think that the best approach is to watch what you eat AND exercise, not do 80% diet and 20% of exercise. I found some studies say that diet is more important and other studies say exercise is more important. For my own body, when I lost weight before I did it by exercising EVERYDAY and eating healthy EVERYDAY. JMO, Jen>> >Be careful about the body fat though, your body does need a certain amount of fat in >order to work right. I'm at about 14% and was cautioned by a trainer not to drop any >more, that I was already too far below the 20% recommended for women my age (42).That's interesting. I've never heard such a thing. I was under the impression ,especially with belly fat, it's a bad thing. Not to mention, unattractive.I don't want to be totally without fat, bodybuilderish. I would like to be able to sit without having a layer of fat laying on my lap. I would like to have a six pack (which I'm pretty sure I have but it's hiding behind the belly fat.) Of course, i'd like to know how much of the belly stuff on me is fat vs extra skin. ( I'd been overweight, actually obese, for some time and had two really big babies...9lbs and 9.3lbs, my first was only 7.8 but he didn't have enough room to go and was born with club foot. (all better now, had surgery at 6 months old or he wouldn't of been able to walk.) Yeah, so I was huge!!! And at only 5.3. my skin stretched out to the max!>(which means I'm truly cancer free!!!!!!!! !! 5 year breast cancer survivor!!!! !!) Congratulations! !!!!

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> Oh, my heart is just pouring out to you underfat people! I will gladly donate

some of mine if you need any! I'm really generous that way.

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oh you're to funny!!! I'll pass.

> : you look fantastic, and you know what, a little loose skin and stretch

marks are normal for someone who's had kids and lost a lot of weight. YOU ARE

BEAUTIFUL! Plastic surgery is there if you really want to splurge and such, but

I kind of like that you have the stretch marks because it makes you human, many

women such as myself can relate, and it's very inspiring! I can look at air

brushed fitness models all the time if I wanted too; I like your photo even

better because that's what most people look like. The media really pushes upon

us this false, unrealistic sense of beauty. YOU are the real deal!

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Well, thank you. That is very true about the air brushed models. It's just hard.

You know, I've work really hard to lose the weight but yet when I did, I just

don't look like I wanted and hoped. I've never really had the bikini body. I've

had issues with weight my whole life. Now I'm in the best shape ever and still

get sad that I can't sport a bikini. ( I wouldn't wear one in public -

especially with little itty bitty's there looking all cute and unflawed.) I am

amazed what some people do wear to the beach, though. My self esteem is better

than what it use to be but I still find myself getting very jealous when dh is

around and checking out other girls. That's one big reason the weight loss has

happened.... my jealousy!!!

Thank you for your kind words. I am the real deal. I am happy that I inspire

others also. That means a lot. Hope I didn't get anyone down... I try to stay

positive!

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" A. M. " <plantpowered@...> wrote:

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> I'd also like to add something to the mix. When I eat nutritious foods

> in appropriate amounts, I wake up feeling better, and I'm more likely

> to have a quality workout. I feel better throughout the day, and I'm

> more likely to go for another walk, or do another activity. My system

> doesn't feel gunked up and heavy, and I sleep much, much better. I'm

> also more likely to fend off all those little colds and viruses that

> come along. Those bugs make you miss workouts. All of this means that

> I'll work out more often, and my workouts will kick butt, and I'll be

> albe to work out longer without pooping out.

>

I will second that! Knock on wood, but I didn't get sick all winter! (Except for

the new years hangover. lol. I can laugh now.)

But that is so true. I might have gotten the start of a cold, like a scratchy

throat but it would be gone the next day and that was it. I attribute it, to the

healthy eating, exercise and the right nutrition!

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I believe it makes a huge difference!

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for the new years hangover. lol. I can laugh now.)

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throat but it would be gone the next day and that was it. I attribute it, to the

healthy eating, exercise and the right nutrition!

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I just don't know why all of you insist on putting a percentage of what has to be done to lose weight. If I only exercise 3 days a week for 30 minutes AND have a calorie deficet I will not lose that much weight or any at all. If I have a calorie deficet AND exercise 30 to 60 minutes 5 or 6 days a week I will lose more weight because I'm burning more calories.

You can always exercise more (if you have the time) but you can't cut your calories down to say 1,000 a day and still lose weight. If I did that I might gain weight because my body would go into starvation mode.

I don't think you guys read all of my posts because I said that I'm doing BOTH - eating healthy (with a calorie deficet) AND exercising.

There are other reasons to exercise besides weight loss. I'm tired of some people on here getting on my case because I talk about doing cardio exercise...DUH this is an exercise site specifically a video exercise site. I mean how many times do I have to say that I'm eating healthy!

By the way, I've cut way down on my diet coke consumption!

Jen > I think that the best approach is to watch what you eat AND exercise, not do> 80% diet and 20% of exercise. I found some studies say that diet is more> important and other studies say exercise is more

important.

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Weight watchers focuses on dieting not exercising. I think that it's necessary to do both to have lasting weight loss.

JMO,

Jen

From: Stacey Brennan-Melvin <billsgirl93@...>Subject: Re: measurements Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 9:09 AM

i have found this thread very interesting! ! there are many approaches to weight loss to be sure. imo, a lot of it depends on the metabolism of the individual. the trick is to find your own formula for success. for me, a person with a slower metabolism, my diet has to be fairly strict--any extra calories will result in weight gain--even if i am exercising. because i have been in weight watchers since the fall and have lost weight i can say that the percentage given for a ratio of weight loss and exercise is probably a well researched conclusion (since they have been collecting info since the 1960's).stacey