Re: Help Me! Spastic Colon?

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> Okay, so for the past couple of weeks I've gone a day or two without

> having a BM, then when I do go, I'll go like 5 times in a row, the

> consistency moving from solid to D. This happened again today, where I

> didn't go at all yesterday and then about an hour ago I had a solid

> BM, then MP, then D, then D, then D, then D...you get the picture. My

> lower abdomen has been cramping non-stop for almost an hour, and I

> keep feeling like I need to have a BM. When I get in there to go

> though, it feels like the lower end's version of dry heaves. THe

> cramping and urge to go is horrible, but hardly anything comes out. I

> have no idea what to do, this feels horrible! It's like my colon needs

> a sedative or something. Anyone ever have this problem?

You are definitely having some gut ecology changes, and

probably die off, which is why you are having a bit of C

switching off with the opposite reaction.

I would suggest in order:

1) epsom bath

2)take some vitamin e enema style while you are resting (this may settle and

soothe the lower intestines - if

not, try original pepto bismal.)

3) lying down with a heating pad on abdomen

4) eating meat broths for inflammation when you get some appetite.

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>> Okay, so for the past couple of weeks I've gone a day or two without

>> having a BM, then when I do go, I'll go like 5 times in a row, the

>> consistency moving from solid to D. This happened again today, where I

>> didn't go at all yesterday and then about an hour ago I had a solid

>> BM, then MP, then D, then D, then D, then D...you get the picture. My

>> lower abdomen has been cramping non-stop for almost an hour, and I

>> keep feeling like I need to have a BM. When I get in there to go

>> though, it feels like the lower end's version of dry heaves. THe

>> cramping and urge to go is horrible, but hardly anything comes out. I

>> have no idea what to do, this feels horrible! It's like my colon needs

>> a sedative or something. Anyone ever have this problem?

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> You are definitely having some gut ecology changes, and

> probably die off, which is why you are having a bit of C

> switching off with the opposite reaction.

>

> I would suggest in order:

>

> 1) epsom bath

> 2)take some vitamin e enema style while you are resting (this may settle and

soothe the lower intestines - if

> not, try original pepto bismal.)

> 3) lying down with a heating pad on abdomen

> 4) eating meat broths for inflammation when you get some appetite.

5) Also, if you have activated charcoal, that might help

gather up and get rid of the toxins.

Mara

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Alyssa,

I'm so sorry to hear that you're body is still giving you problems! I've had

a similar problem. I get into a cycle where I'm flaring so I drop down to the

starter diet. Then when (I think) I start healing I end up being constipated

for several days and then eventually having D problems after that. It happens

every time. I don't know why it happens though. I was sort of guessing that

the C was being caused by the fact that I was flaring (and not keeping anything

in my body) for the previous few days and when I start to heal stuff is finally

staying in me. However, it's not something that feels good. It stays in too

long. I think I actually prefer the D since I have more experience dealing with

it and I don't feel like there's a bunch of stuff just sitting and fermenting in

my gut. Plus my abdomen is nice and flat before the C and then it gets

progressively more puffy. Sucks to have both ends of the UC/CD problems,

doesn't it?

Stacey

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> Okay, so for the past couple of weeks I've gone a day or two without

> having a BM, then when I do go, I'll go like 5 times in a row, the

> consistency moving from solid to D. This happened again today, where I

> didn't go at all yesterday and then about an hour ago I had a solid

> BM, then MP, then D, then D, then D, then D...you get the picture. My

> lower abdomen has been cramping non-stop for almost an hour, and I

> keep feeling like I need to have a BM. When I get in there to go

> though, it feels like the lower end's version of dry heaves. THe

> cramping and urge to go is horrible, but hardly anything comes out. I

> have no idea what to do, this feels horrible! It's like my colon needs

> a sedative or something. Anyone ever have this problem?

>

> Peace =)

> Alyssa 15 yo

> UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> Chinese Herbs (not legal but helping!)

>

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You are definitely having some gut ecology changes, andprobably die off, which is why you are having a bit of Cswitching off with the opposite reaction. Well, that could be good, right? The baddies dying and leaving my system?I would suggest in order: 1) epsom bathJust got out of one =) The cramping went on continuously for an hour (the worst it's EVER been) and then stopped. Then I got in a bath like you suggested, and I think I'll do an enema next.2)take some vitamin e enema style while you are resting (this may settle and soothe the lower intestines - ifnot, try original pepto bismal.) 3) lying down with a heating pad on abdomen4) eating meat broths for inflammation when you get some appetite.To add insult to injury, we had to throw out a mug full of delicious gelatinous broth because when this all started, I was drinking it with some raw egg yolks blended in. Needless to say, it was forgotten and has been upstairs at room temp for the past few hours growing bacteria. Actually brought me to tears having to throw it out, even though the hour of cramping didn't. Apparently broth has become a very important part of my life =)Thanks for your replies, Mara and Stacey! Hopefully I'll be able to report improved symptoms tomorrow! Peace =)Alyssa 15 yoUC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Chinese Herbs (not legal but helping!)

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Alyssa, I'm so sorry. This is NO fun at all. I've had this for all

these years wiht the IBS and never really known what causes it. Now on

SCD it's generally much milder but I still have days with a loosening

progression until the gut seems totally emptied. Which actually feels

better (except my sore rear, and being exhausted). It's like the

gut just insists on dumping everything in it. I always assumed in the bad

old days that this was a food reaction. Now I'd wonder about die-off

more, or simply have you made any dietary changes?

I'd say keep the food simpler for a day or two (or more if it persists),

I like the heating pad both on the tummy and behind my lower back in

turn. I'm sure the Epsom Salts etc baths might help.

Good luck! I hope it all calms down by tomorrow and whatever it was, is

over.

Okay, so for the past couple of weeks I've gone a day or two without > having a BM, then when I do go, I'll go like 5 times in a row,

the > consistency moving from solid to D. This happened again today,

where I > didn't go at all yesterday and then about an hour ago I had a

solid > BM, then MP, then D, then D, then D, then D...you get the

picture. My > lower abdomen has been cramping non-stop for almost an hour, and

I > keep feeling like I need to have a BM. When I get in there to go > though, it feels like the lower end's version of dry heaves. THe > cramping and urge to go is horrible, but hardly anything comes

out. I > have no idea what to do, this feels horrible! It's like my colon

needs > a sedative or something. Anyone ever have this problem?

>

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But these WERE changes. PErhaps enough to cause a bit of a

revolution down there. I'd back off and remember your Chinese

herbs, as you are used to them, and then separate trying honey and FCLO.

If it were me, I'd strongly suspect the honey.

Haven't really changed my diet. I forgot to take my Chinese herbs today, but they're illegal anyways. And I had some manuka honey for the first time this morning. Maybe that caused major die off. And I took FCLO for the first time today, but it doesn't seem like that would hurt anything.

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4. What have we told you about making two changes or additions to your diet at a time? You don't know which change might be the issue!Heh =) Well, I took the honey first, and then later when I was eating breakfast my mom told me to take my FCLO, and since she took it first to make it easier for me, I couldn't NOT take it. But I'll skip the honey today (since it's probably the culprit) and take my FCLO and see what happens. Peace =)Alyssa 15 yoUC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Chinese Herbs (not legal but helping!)

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If it were me, I'd strongly suspect the honey.Ditto, since apparently it's VERY antibacterial. I'll skip it today and keep on with the FCLO so that they're separated. I just can't seem to learn to do things one at a time =) Peace =)Alyssa 15 yoUC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Chinese Herbs (not legal but helping!)

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Alyssa

I'd suspect the FCLO as that is something new you've had in the past day or two. Don't have it again for a week or two and see if your digestion has calmed down.

When our upper GI gets hit with a high-fat (or high-fiber) food -- or your immune system takes offense at what it perceives as an invader -- it can increase peristalsis dramatically, trying to get it out of the body. Which causes what you're describing in the lower GI...

If it persists, then consider any other supplements you're taking. I usually stop taking all supplements and fall back to my intro. diet foods for a day or two. If the symptoms persist or worsen even when I'm off all supplements and eating intro. diet foods, or clear liquids, I check in with my doctor.

Kim M.

SCD 6 years

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When our upper GI gets hit with a high-fat (or high-fiber) food -- or your immune system takes offense at what it perceives as an invader -- it can increase peristalsis dramatically, trying to get it out of the body. Which causes what you're describing in the lower GI...Kim,Have you heard of having increased peristalsis as the bodytries to eliminate toxins from die off?Mara

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Hate to tell you this, but the excellent allergist I used to see told me

we can have reactions from foods and I think other things, too, that

don't start until up to 72 hours later. Of course this makes it REALLY

hard to figure out what you did a couple of days ago unless you keep that

diary up to date!

This seems more likely to me, rather than a food reaction. Well, I still think it could've been triggered by the manuka honey.

Apparently that is STRONG stuff. It could be the FCLO too, I guess. I took the FCLO about 6 hours before the episode started, and the honey about 7 hours before.

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At 08:24 AM 2/7/2010, you wrote:

Heh =) Well, I took the honey

first, and then later when I was eating breakfast my mom told me to take

my FCLO, and since she took it first to make it easier for me, I couldn't

NOT take it. But I'll skip the honey today (since it's probably the

culprit) and take my FCLO and see what happens.

Sounds good. Yeah, I can kind of see why you were between a rock and a

hard place on that one.

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Marilyn

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