Re: Fighting Possible Yeast

[Guest guest]

Holly,As you can tell, I am really rotten at who said what, but I was told a story about yeast by a person on this (or the SCDUK) group. Her doctor told her that research was done on yeast that showed it could take two forms--something about a tail or a forked tail, something like that. Anyway, the point was they could easily identify the forms. One form was more benign than the other. When the yeast diet was followed -- i.e. cutting down/out fruit and honey, the yeast tended to morph into the nastier form and became more difficult to kill off. There, justification not to deny your little pleasures!AmeliaHusband UC 9 years, SCD 19 monthsLDN 3mgTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 5:02:02 AMSubject: Re: Fighting Possible Yeast

Hi Amelia,

I was the one who wrote about LDN making me fatigued. It turned out that I was taking too much (4mg). At 3mg, I have the same amount of fatigue I had pre-LDN.

I'm still no different then when I started LDN. I eat 2 cups of SCD yogurt a day, and have begun a natural anti-fungal rotation. Last week I took garlic oil everyday, and this week I'm taking olive leaf extract everyday. Next week I might do grapefruit seed extract. I'm hesitant to try s. boulardii again, because my last trial (last summer) gave me an annoying/disturbing ammonia-like smell in my nose.

I'm also hesitant to go super low-carb and cut out all of the foods that are supposed to be yeast triggers. I'd have a heck of a time getting enough calories a day, not to mention that it would probably send me into a depression (I can handle giving up all my favorite non-SCD foods, but don't know that I could handle giving up the remaining SCD foods I love).

My eczema has been cleared up (with the exception of a quarter sized patch on one palm) for several months. Epsom salt baths always helped when it was worse though (when I started the diet, I broke out behind me knees really bad).

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

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>

> My husband is taking LDN and he isn't really seeing any difference. We did notice his scalp started flaking more about the time he started it. Then we noticed a small spot of eczema near the corner of one eye. I then started to suspect, about 3 weeks later, that maybe he was having a problem with yeast. He began taking s. boulardii at one capsule twice a day the first week, and is at two capsules twice a day with 1 capsule of acidophilus twice a day. At this point the eczema has spread to the corners of both eyes, both eyelids, and below the eyes, under his arms, on his bum ; ) , and the scalp flaking is still there. All this with feeling more fatigue again too. He did have a brief period of feeling more rested, but as it is winter in the NE of Scotland, we are lacking in sunshine at the moment!

>

> Someone in the group had a problem similar, but I can't remember who. My question is how long did it take to start improving, were you taking strong probiotics/s. boulardii? Did you find any cream/essential oil to help? Did you add/cut anything else out of your diet?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Amelia

> Husband UC 9 years, SCD 19 months

> LDN 3 mg.

>

[Guest guest]

I'm totally in love with this theory! I sure hope that doctor is right :-)

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

> Holly,

>

> As you can tell, I am really rotten at who said what, but I was told a story

about yeast by a person on this (or the SCDUK) group. Her doctor told her that

research was done on yeast that showed it could take two forms--something about

a tail or a forked tail, something like that. Anyway, the point was they could

easily identify the forms. One form was more benign than the other. When the

yeast diet was followed -- i.e. cutting down/out fruit and honey, the yeast

tended to morph into the nastier form and became more difficult to kill off.

>

> There, justification not to deny your little pleasures!

>

> Amelia

> Husband UC 9 years, SCD 19 months

> LDN 3mg

[Guest guest]

i know we'd all love that to be true but here's my doc's response

With regard to candida, there are many forms with different resistance patterns.

I am not so sure about the indulgence part.

eileen

> >

> > Holly,

> >

> > As you can tell, I am really rotten at who said what, but I was told a story

about yeast by a person on this (or the SCDUK) group. Her doctor told her that

research was done on yeast that showed it could take two forms--something about

a tail or a forked tail, something like that. Anyway, the point was they could

easily identify the forms. One form was more benign than the other. When the

yeast diet was followed -- i.e. cutting down/out fruit and honey, the yeast

tended to morph into the nastier form and became more difficult to kill off.

> >

> > There, justification not to deny your little pleasures!

> >

> > Amelia

> > Husband UC 9 years, SCD 19 months

> > LDN 3mg

>

[Guest guest]

Eileen,

I joined this group about a year after you did. What is the reason you started

SCD? Was it IBD or another reason?

Thanks,

PJ

> > >

> > > Holly,

> > >

> > > As you can tell, I am really rotten at who said what, but I was told a

story about yeast by a person on this (or the SCDUK) group. Her doctor told her

that research was done on yeast that showed it could take two forms--something

about a tail or a forked tail, something like that. Anyway, the point was they

could easily identify the forms. One form was more benign than the other. When

the yeast diet was followed -- i.e. cutting down/out fruit and honey, the yeast

tended to morph into the nastier form and became more difficult to kill off.

> > >

> > > There, justification not to deny your little pleasures!

> > >

> > > Amelia

> > > Husband UC 9 years, SCD 19 months

> > > LDN 3mg

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Moreover, you could say the same thing about

SCD.

The easy to kill bacteria die off earliest and then you are

left with the hard to kill ones. Which are - hard to kill!

Mara

>

> i know we'd all love that to be true but here's my doc's response

> With regard to candida, there are many forms with different resistance

patterns. I am not so sure about the indulgence part.

> eileen

>

>

>

>

>>>

>>> Holly,

>>>

>>> As you can tell, I am really rotten at who said what, but I was told a story

about yeast by a person on this (or the SCDUK) group. Her doctor told her that

research was done on yeast that showed it could take two forms--something about

a tail or a forked tail, something like that. Anyway, the point was they could

easily identify the forms. One form was more benign than the other. When the

yeast diet was followed -- i.e. cutting down/out fruit and honey, the yeast

tended to morph into the nastier form and became more difficult to kill off.

>>>

>>> There, justification not to deny your little pleasures!

>>>

>>> Amelia

>>> Husband UC 9 years, SCD 19 months

>>> LDN 3mg

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Amelia-

Sorry to hear about Sanjay. I hope he gets better. Has anything that you tried

worked?

I didn't visit the forum but was following up the mails for a month. Because I

didn't want to think about my illness, and just deal with it everyday.

I still have Prostatitis issues -- didn't take antibiotics.

I had fungal infection, which went away for after taking antibiotics but its

back again now. Its on my genitals again. I don't know how to deal with it.

My colitis is under control, and I am able to eat more foods.

Why do so many of us have yeast issues? Is it an inherent issue with the diet

that needs to be addressed? And how?

-Andy.

[Guest guest]

then what is the answer? How do you fight it?

Re: Re: Fighting Possible Yeast

Moreover, you could say the same thing about

SCD.

The easy to kill bacteria die off earliest and then you are

left with the hard to kill ones. Which are - hard to kill!

Mara

>

> i know we'd all love that to be true but here's my doc's response

> With regard to candida, there are many forms with different resistance patterns. I am not so sure about the indulgence part.

> eileen

>

>

>

>

>>>

>>> Holly,

>>>

>>> As you can tell, I am really rotten at who said what, but I was told a story about yeast by a person on this (or the SCDUK) group. Her doctor told her that research was done on yeast that showed it could take two forms--something about a tail or a forked tail, something like that. Anyway, the point was they could easily identify the forms. One form was more benign than the other. When the yeast diet was followed -- i.e. cutting down/out fruit and honey, the yeast tended to morph into the nastier form and became more difficult to kill off.

>>>

>>> There, justification not to deny your little pleasures!

>>>

>>> Amelia

>>> Husband UC 9 years, SCD 19 months

>>> LDN 3mg

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot, I guess I will have to be patient, and see how things progress.

Thanks for the uptone,

At 02:00 PM 2/4/2010, you wrote:

Long term meaning years, months? Months, yes. Could be longer.I can tell you that while I'm still very careful, I have more latitude in terms of eating out than I once did. I have no real interest in going back to the way I ate pre-SCD. SO for me, long-term may mean forever.OTOH, I sat and watched a lady who had had very bad Crohn's, and who healed with SCD, chow down on a N'Awlins po-boy and other things I wouldn't have thought possible. She said she could now have illegals once in awhile, and she would need to be extra strict after her vacation, but she could now occasionally have grains and potatoes.My niece, who was strict SCD for two years is now able to eat potatoes a couple times a week, and rice occasionally.How long "long term" is depends on the individual.

— Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

I'm technically double diagnosed - celiac and crohns - though my 3rd GI (the

only one I slightly trust as he's open to SCD) said intestinal corrosion based

on other docs results-didn't want to label me with crohns and I never really had

crohns symptoms - just nausea - which is here as I speak - so sick of this!!

guessing it's yeast related but ???

also when he did his own scopes 9 months on SCD there was no corrosion for him

to see, so we'll never know what he would have said - oh well

Eileen 2 years scd

> > > >

> > > > Holly,

> > > >

> > > > As you can tell, I am really rotten at who said what, but I was told a

story about yeast by a person on this (or the SCDUK) group. Her doctor told her

that research was done on yeast that showed it could take two forms--something

about a tail or a forked tail, something like that. Anyway, the point was they

could easily identify the forms. One form was more benign than the other. When

the yeast diet was followed -- i.e. cutting down/out fruit and honey, the yeast

tended to morph into the nastier form and became more difficult to kill off.

> > > >

> > > > There, justification not to deny your little pleasures!

> > > >

> > > > Amelia

> > > > Husband UC 9 years, SCD 19 months

> > > > LDN 3mg

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

AMEN sister!!! 2 years od scd and 9 months of anti candida scd - when will it

end??!!

eileen

> >>>

> >>> Holly,

> >>>

> >>> As you can tell, I am really rotten at who said what, but I was told a

story about yeast by a person on this (or the SCDUK) group. Her doctor told her

that research was done on yeast that showed it could take two forms--something

about a tail or a forked tail, something like that. Anyway, the point was they

could easily identify the forms. One form was more benign than the other. When

the yeast diet was followed -- i.e. cutting down/out fruit and honey, the yeast

tended to morph into the nastier form and became more difficult to kill off.

> >>>

> >>> There, justification not to deny your little pleasures!

> >>>

> >>> Amelia

> >>> Husband UC 9 years, SCD 19 months

> >>> LDN 3mg

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hey Eileen,

Did you get die off symptoms with nystatin? Tiredness, achiness, etc.

> I'm technically double diagnosed - celiac and crohns - though my 3rd GI (the

only one I slightly trust as he's open to SCD) said intestinal corrosion based

on other docs results-didn't want to label me with crohns and I never really had

crohns symptoms - just nausea - which is here as I speak - so sick of this!!

guessing it's yeast related but ???

> also when he did his own scopes 9 months on SCD there was no corrosion for him

to see, so we'll never know what he would have said - oh well

> Eileen 2 years scd

[Guest guest]

Long term meaning years, months?

Re: Re: Fighting Possible Yeast

At 04:23 AM 2/4/2010, you wrote:

then what is the

answer? How do you fight it?

,

Long term, the answer, I believe, is SCD.

SCD starves the bad bacteria and makes them die. Yes, it may also starve

some of the good bacteria, which is why we eat out yogurt and/or take

probiotics, to replenish the supply of good bacteria.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 02:00 PM 2/4/2010, you wrote:

Long term meaning

years, months?

Months, yes. Could be longer.

I can tell you that while I'm still very careful, I have more latitude in

terms of eating out than I once did. I have no real interest in going

back to the way I ate pre-SCD. SO for me, long-term may mean

forever.

OTOH, I sat and watched a lady who had had very bad Crohn's, and who

healed with SCD, chow down on a N'Awlins po-boy and other things I

wouldn't have thought possible. She said she could now have illegals once

in awhile, and she would need to be extra strict after her vacation, but

she could now occasionally have grains and potatoes.

My niece, who was strict SCD for two years is now able to eat potatoes a

couple times a week, and rice occasionally.

How long " long term " is depends on the individual.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 11:41 PM 2/3/2010, you wrote:

Why do so many of us have yeast

issues? Is it an inherent issue with the diet that needs to be addressed?

And how?

Andy,

Was wondering where you'd gotten too -- and sorry to hear that some

issues are continuing.

SCD is a fully balanced diet. Sometimes there are things which need to be

modified about the way a given individual implements the diet.

Most of us have yeast issues because of a disturbed gut ecology.

When we start rearranging their comfortable existence by changing that

ecology, the yeastie-beasties tend to object. Violently.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

This diet is kind of amazing as far as soon as you think you 'have

it', you learn something else.

I'm not doing well with 'regular' food. Maybe I go off too soon or

maybe I will have to stay on it from now on. R-ce (illegal) and

yogurt definitely did not work for me ;-). I would say advanced

'advanced' when adding in regular food but that is probably just me.

I'm just starting the S. boullardi (sp?) and pom supplements for

regulating hormones.

OT but does anyone spasm.cramp to death with (illegal) chili powder?

For some reason, major trigger for me. I didn't purposely eat it but

I wonder if it bothers CD and Celiac? (Sorry, nowhere else to ask)

Debbie 40 cd

> Does your niece pay for it when she eats the

> potatoes a couple times a week or does she pretty

> much totally get away with it as long as it isn't too often?

>

>

>

> My niece, who was strict SCD for two years is now

> able to eat potatoes a couple times a week, and rice occasionally.

> How long " long term " is depends on the individual.

> — Marilyn

>

[Guest guest]

At 01:51 PM 2/5/2010, you wrote:

Does your niece pay for it when

she eats the potatoes a couple times a week or does she pretty much

totally get away with it as long as it isn't too often?

She's stated that she thinks she was healthier on strict SCD, but that

she's doing quite well on gluten-free. She's apparently OK with the

potatoes once or twice a week but any more often, and things get

bad.

This is the whole point of SCD. Dr. Haas' diet -- no gluten, no

polysaccharides -- was perverted into " no gluten, " which leaves

those of us who have other gut issues, not just intolerance to gluten,

hung out to dry.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 02:04 PM 2/5/2010, you wrote:

I'm not doing well with

'regular' food. Maybe I go off too soon or

maybe I will have to stay on it from now on. R-ce (illegal)

and

yogurt definitely did not work for me ;-)

Elaine's daughter is not able to eat rice, even though it's gluten-free.

Eating rice brings back her symptoms, including blood. When you consider

how much " gluten free " stuff is made with rice....

I know you've had so much going on that has kept you from maintaining

strict SCD. I've thought about you quite a bit.

I dunno about chili powder. What I do know is that the illegal

ingredients in my pain meds after my cancer surgery caused gut cramps so

severe that I thought it was surgical pain. Only it took me a significant

amount of time to figure out that it was the meds, and not the surgery

which was causing the pain.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

It's the same critter but not the same location. These are the normal

places where candida lives. My doctor says that it's when the

candida increases to the point (and I guess when the immune system is

low) and it gets loose into the rest of the body that it's the big

problem.

Actually it is the same critter. Candida albicans is one of the

fungal species (there are 3 or 4 in the human body) that inhabit moist

and warm places in our body. This means inside the intestinal tract, in

the mouth, in the genitourinary region. It's t

[Guest guest]

Debbie,I think they would laugh us out of the clinic if we asked for that. I tried to ask to have his B12 tested, and basically, if you aren't dying from something, they don't test for it here. He is taking a multivitamin from Freedas that has D in it. I can tell you that nothing replaces sunshine, though. I knew I had depleted my D reserves more than 5 years ago. Both of us are used to very sunny climates so I think it really bites hard living in a not so sunny climate. He starts complaining about the dark winter before it ever gets here! ; )AmeliaHusband UC 9 years, SCD 19 monthsLDN 3 mgTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 6:20:19 PMSubject: Re: Fighting Possible Yeast

Amelia -- I wonder if Vitamin D might help the eczema. Has your husband had his Vitamin D level tested? Especially living in the far north, he could easily be deficient.

Debbie T (UC 29 yrs, SCD 10/06, Lialda)

>

>

> My husband is taking LDN and he isn't really seeing any difference. We did notice his scalp started flaking more about the time he started it. Then we noticed a small spot of eczema near the corner of one eye. I then started to suspect, about 3 weeks later, that maybe he was having a problem with yeast. He began taking s. boulardii at one capsule twice a day the first week, and is at two capsules twice a day with 1 capsule of acidophilus twice a day. At this point the eczema has spread to the corners of both eyes, both eyelids, and below the eyes, under his arms, on his bum ; ) , and the scalp flaking is still there. All this with feeling more fatigue again too. He did have a brief period of feeling more rested, but as it is winter in the NE of Scotland, we are lacking in sunshine at the moment!

>

> Someone in the group had a problem similar, but I can't remember who. My question is how long did it take to start improving, were you taking strong probiotics/s. boulardii? Did you find any cream/essential oil to help? Did you add/cut anything else out of your diet?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Amelia

> Husband UC 9 years, SCD 19 months

> LDN 3 mg.

>

[Guest guest]

That's not sufficient. You should get Vitamin D-3, a high dose. MaraDebbie,I think they would laugh us out of the clinic if we asked for that. I tried to ask to have his B12 tested, and basically, if you aren't dying from something, they don't test for it here. He is taking a multivitamin from Freedas that has D in it. I can tell you that nothing replaces sunshine, though. I knew I had depleted my D reserves more than 5 years ago. Both of us are used to very sunny climates so I think it really bites hard living in a not so sunny climate. He starts complaining about the dark winter before it ever gets here! ; )

[Guest guest]

I hadn't been. But lately because the LDN wasn't working

and I was having some symptoms beginning to return - I started that

vitamin E protocol - found it really helpful so far. I guess I'll do that

for a while more - a few more weeks - but it is not meant to be a long term

thingy.

And for the yeast I started candex (which advertises no die off - hah!)

Mara (who thought she sent this off hours ago, but obviously not.)

> Hi Mara,

> I'm curious because you know so much about health, treatments, and alternative

treatments.

> Do you take any other UC meds besides LDN?

> I'm just trying to weigh the pros and cons of all of them for myself.

> Thanks,

> PJ

[Guest guest]

Kim and others-

I have yeast problem -- red and white coloration on my penis and foreskin. I did

take Diflucan, it went away only to come back.

I also started having prostatitis soon after I started SCD, and there are

theories that Candida may be one of the causes of prostatitis.

I see the following: sometimes my stool is slightly white on the outside, and

there are few white strands floating around (that doesn't quite look like

mucus). Also there are few strands floating around when I pass my urine. Do

these sound like yeast problems?

I am not sure my MD will buy this.

I did take a look at your file on yeast: Regarding food, I don't take honey. But

I am still in early stages and so I have problems eliminating fruits and fruit

juices because of calories.

I take OoO. Any other natural remedies?

Any advise?

Thanks,

Andy.

[Guest guest]

i've never had many " symptoms " per se but am having nausea again and stool tests

should tons of yeast and now fat and undigested foods - so it is affecting me,

my son has the same redness on his penis right now as you- 4 months into scd -

i'm applying nystatin cream and he and I have no honey or fruit and are only

stage 3 (me) - he's just starting 3 today- you can get calories w/o fruit and

yeast triggers

use olive oil, avocado steak ,1/2 & 1/2 yog- use fitday.com to make sure you're

getting however many cal you need with the foods you can have - I needed 3000 a

day but started healing more important to kill the yeast than worry too much

about weight now - as I've learned 2 years in !!!

all that honey and fruit was yummy , had no clue it was feeding a HUGE yeast

problem from living off sugar for years!!

eileen

2 years scd

>

>

> Kim and others-

>

> I have yeast problem -- red and white coloration on my penis and foreskin. I

did take Diflucan, it went away only to come back.

>

> I also started having prostatitis soon after I started SCD, and there are

theories that Candida may be one of the causes of prostatitis.

>

> I see the following: sometimes my stool is slightly white on the outside, and

there are few white strands floating around (that doesn't quite look like

mucus). Also there are few strands floating around when I pass my urine. Do

these sound like yeast problems?

>

> I am not sure my MD will buy this.

>

> I did take a look at your file on yeast: Regarding food, I don't take honey.

But I am still in early stages and so I have problems eliminating fruits and

fruit juices because of calories.

>

> I take OoO. Any other natural remedies?

>

> Any advise?

>

> Thanks,

> Andy.

>

[Guest guest]

Those were the only foods I could eat normally and rotated them daily for months if not longer (except green peas, still can only handle early early young peas).

 

Debbie 40 cd

 

 

 Fruits like bananas, and Veggies like lima beans, carrots, peas and squash????? And these are easy to cook and eat, and to digest (at least for me).

 

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[Guest guest]

i asked my son's reg GI to do it - problem was when it came back with yeast - he

didn't see that as a prob - lol - but they can order a stool culture/yeast

culture both

yes eliminate it all and i'm not putting it back soon - fitday said i eat about

2200-2500 now was 3000 when making sure i was getting enough - we'll talk -

awful with phone time but i'll try

eileen

>

>

>

> Eileen-

>

> 1. How and where did you do the stool test for yeast? Can regular MDs do it?

>

> 2. Is the basic idea to eliminate/minimize 'sugary' fruits and 'high carb'

veggies, including juices? Fruits like bananas, and Veggies like lima beans,

carrots, peas and squash????? And these are easy to cook and eat, and to digest

(at least for me).

>

> I do see the Candida elimination diet in stages -- I don't get it?? How do you

get enough calories? I need ~1.5 to 2 K/day.

>

> Some websites even suggest minimize 'yogurt' -- is that right? But SCD doesn't

say that -- may be because ours is fully fermented yogurt with tons of

probiotics.

>

> 3. Will S. boulardii help?

>

> LIFE SUCKS.

>

> I am sorry, I am pissed at the hand we're dealt with.

>

> -Andy.

>