Re: anti-depressants/ anti-anxiety drugs, medicine for bi-pol...

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Well said Ceep re antidepressants etc, you calmed my anger.

Fay Bayuk -

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In a message dated 7/4/2003 12:39:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,

navwriter@... writes:

> ........but I also feel better in

> general without them. Just a personal choice.

I worked in a drug rehab for 15 years, and let me tell you everyone of the

drug addicts feel better when they are on illegal substances. The problem is,

they think they are productive but reality is different, Ask my dh. When he

is manic he is on top of the world. But if he looked down he would see that it

was not the world he was standing on but he was standing on the Fishkill

landfill on staten Island. If you have ever seen the place, it is how I picture

hell.

Bi Polars, Depressives, Schizos etc. do not know how they (we) are doing

until we are in way too deep.

Dan my best to you, and I hope you are truly as well and as productive as you

say you are.

Fay Bayuk

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Dear Brave Souls:

Just wanted to say two cent's worth more. This is just *opinion... *

EACH SOUL HAS TO and WILL FIND THEIR OWN WAY THROUGH

As with GB surgeries, there are risks versus benefits weighings to be done

about meddies that even out mood. Yet, regardless, TO EACH THEIR OWN; one

person's choice/knowledge/preference (for whatever invention, intervention, or

other ) does not negate someone else's different choice/knowing/preference. In

thirty-three years of clinical practice, I see so very clearly that each person

is only trying to find their own way through, and that most work very hard to

do the best by themselves--and those near to their hearts. AND THEY DO. The

point has always been balance. In family life, inside oneself, in work life, in

reaction to life's many events, whether positive or negative, and so on.

What have I seen over the decades of having seen thousands who are on this

road of seeking and finding health that is as sturdy as possible and thereby far

more dependable to lean on? All who strive will arrive at increased ability.

Striving and surviving are inexorably linked to each other. The spirit and the

soul are huge, and great things are possible. That's what I see over and

over.

We want for people that they arrive in and live in life, in as excellent

condition as they can. We want their close-in relationships to be intact, and

without having taken on a " supporting addiction/supplemental self-medication, "

such as alcohol overuse, hypersexual la-la (technical term), etc., or any other

mediation that is disruptive to an entire other terrain of their life.

The truth? Any search for decent and vital life and health is for a time, a

wandering journey-- that passes through intense cold, intense heat, part of the

road really does pass through hell, a portion through heaven, there are

landslides, road washouts, and depending on one's choices, there are long, long

clear stretches of good road where a person can concentrate on things other

than,

or in addition to one's health.

For most, the good road is the goal and the point. The MEMORY of hell --

including personal suffering AND the bewilderment and pain those they love may

have suffered *along with them* -- keeps all of us doing the best we know, for

the most good and merciful reasons we know, for the longest we have on earth.

That's all. And that is SO VERY, VERY much.

This is why I often begin my notes to you as " Dear Brave Souls: " for it is

TRUE. And I have seen it in SO many over the years -- the intrepid human spirit

that keeps going to keep knowing. That keeps going in order to keep growing.

Many I have seen over the years have been so awesome to my heart. Their

journies are not tidy, but they are something far more important. They are

worthy.

Completely.

love,

ceep