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This is ironic. I lived in an apartment complex not to far from one of

the campus' here in Denton (UNT). It was consistently loud with the

party animals all night. I never thought of the ear plugs. Instead I

sleep with a radio on. I have it set on a talk radio station. Believe

it or not I can actually sleep with talking in the background (can't

stand music playing though). I also have to sleep with a light on in the

bathroom. I am one of those that wakes up several times a night but can

generally fall back to sleep within 10 or 15 minutes.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:12:30 -0500 lilwhistler@... writes:

> Wow, can I relate...Sleep is a big issue for me. I also cannot seem

> to

> " turn of my brain " at sleeptime and always use earplugs. My hubby,

> who

> has sleep apnea and still manages to snore even with a CPAP, sleeps

> in a

> separate room most nights. Most people say, " How can you sleep

> with

> earplugs when you have kids? " . Well, as you probably can

> understand, the

> earplugs only take the edge off, I still can hear things! I

> finally

> asked my new PCP about it and she gave me a Rx for Ambien which I

> have

> used on only about 5-6 occasions and every time it only served to

> GET me

> to sleep not keep me asleep. I'm sure I need to ask about

> anti-anxiety

> meds for nighttime. Most commonly, I will wake up at 2-3am and

> then

> start thinking about things and just can't get back to sleep. Then

> the

> sun is up at about 5:15am and then forget about it.

>

> I understand. I am so jealous of people who can manage to sleep 7-8

> or

> more hours straight, consistently.

>

> Sharon in Indy

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You know, that is interesting. As a kid I would be awake for hours after my

bed time. I would make up stories, do my own parts in my head, look at the

stars and wish that a UFO would land in our front yard. You name it. Then I

would have to get up for school. I am not sure how I did it. As an adult

(before meds), when I was working....my co-workers KNEW that I was pretty

much useless until about 11am-12. After that, I would do the work of two

people, but before that I was in a fog.

Debbie in Gig Harbor (170cm medial)

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From: Vitalady

I have never been a good sleeper. counting the specks on the ceiling at

midnight as a kid, too. Them, of course, cannot get up in the morning. I'm

like my mom, and have one kid like me.

I am not pleasant when I first wake up. Not mean, more like a grumpy slug.

Not perky. Not even close.

And it's impossible for me to turn off the switch on my brain. Very

frustrating when I fall into bed with an exhausted body & my brain keeps

flipping he stations

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Sharon, This is interesting that many of us have this " racing " thoughts

thing. I have never heard it called that. But it describes exactly what

happens. My mind just races from one thing to another. One thought feeds on

another, which in turns prompts another thought....etc. It just keeps

escalating until it is morning and it is time to get up or I have a panic

attack if it gets bad enough.

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I just have to chime in here...

I have also had issues with sleeping. Getting to sleep was no problem.

I would wake up nearly every hour after that though. The only way I

could describe it was to call it a " racket " in my head.

It finally got to the point where my racket was bleeding into my

daylight hours because I wasn't getting enough sleep and was completely

exhausted on a regular basis. I started a Prozac+Wellbutrin combo and a

couple of weeks later, the racket quieted. The only time I have trouble

sleeping now is when I'm not dealing with some issue in my life. As

soon as I face/verbalize my fears or anxieties I can snooze through the

night!

I'm not saying everyone needs anti-depressants to sleep, just thought

I'd share my experience. :)

I totally missed the Ambien thread except for Vitalady's 5 rules. I

have a gf who says the times she gets diverted from going directly to

bed after taking it, she can have an entire hour conversation with

someone and not remember a thing the next day!

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RE: Re: Sleep/debbie

Sharon, This is interesting that many of us have this " racing " thoughts

thing. I have never heard it called that. But it describes exactly what

happens. My mind just races from one thing to another. One thought feeds

on

another, which in turns prompts another thought....etc. It just keeps

escalating until it is morning and it is time to get up or I have a

panic

attack if it gets bad enough.

Debbie in Gig Harbor (170cm medial)

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Wow! I didn't realize there were so many of us that this happened to.

I have been that way since I was a kid. I can fall asleep at the drop

of a hat, but I can't stay asleep more than a few hours. I've chalked

it up lately by just saying I have adult ADD. My mind races all day

and all night. There are times when I also have a panic attack from

it. I always laugh and say that if I could live my life in 4 hour

increments I would be fine. You know, 4 hours asleep, 4 hours away,

etc. Lately though it's more like 2 hours asleep and 22 hours awake.

Weird that so many of us have that same thing.

Hugs,

Tigger

> Sharon, This is interesting that many of us have this " racing "

thoughts

> thing. I have never heard it called that. But it describes exactly

what

> happens. My mind just races from one thing to another. One thought

feeds on

> another, which in turns prompts another thought....etc. It just

keeps

> escalating until it is morning and it is time to get up or I have a

panic

> attack if it gets bad enough.

>

> Debbie in Gig Harbor (170cm medial)

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O.k. as you can see, I was probably asleep at the keyboard... that

was suppose to read " 4 hours asleep, 4 hours awake " not " away " .

However, " away " seems to be more like it with my brain lately.

Tigger

> > Sharon, This is interesting that many of us have this " racing "

> thoughts

> > thing. I have never heard it called that. But it describes

exactly

> what

> > happens. My mind just races from one thing to another. One

thought

> feeds on

> > another, which in turns prompts another thought....etc. It just

> keeps

> > escalating until it is morning and it is time to get up or I have

a

> panic

> > attack if it gets bad enough.

> >

> > Debbie in Gig Harbor (170cm medial)

> > ladybostons@p...

> > http://www.cafeshops.com/copsstore

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Just can help but wonder....do we get fat on our brains...that cover the

myelin sheaths of the nerve connections? Maybe when we lose the weight...these

synapses become more active..and misfire? Just a theory....but wonder if there

could be anything to it...going from fat heads to lean brains? I know...way

out there...but a shot in the dark. Also...we do seem to live under much more

pressure these days...and it's no wonder we don't all suffer from post

traumatic stress disorder. I do believe most of us do. I think it is just a

sign of

the times we are living in~

Regards~

Jacque

Distal RNY, 5/30/00

Drs. Fox and Oh

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> Sharon, This is interesting that many of us have this " racing " thoughts

> thing. I have never heard it called that. But it describes exactly what

> happens. My mind just races from one thing to another. One thought feeds on

> another, which in turns prompts another thought....etc. It just keeps

> escalating until it is morning and it is time to get up or I have a panic

> attack if it gets bad enough.

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In a message dated 7/3/2003 12:51:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jacquemil@... writes:

> Just a theory....but wonder if there

> could be anything to it...going from fat heads to lean brains? I know...way

>

> out there...but a shot in the dark. Also...we do seem to live under much

> more

I think that food is a drug and like other drugs it just tranquilizes us so

we sleep more. With your theory and my theory, we now have 4 cents worth. LOL

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Well...I'll value it at about a 3 cents worth....not saying which way it

leans though. LOL!

Jacque

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>

>

> >> Just a theory....but wonder if there

>> could be anything to it...going from fat heads to lean brains? I

>> know...way

>> out there...but a shot in the dark. Also...we do seem to live under much

>> more

>

> I think that food is a drug and like other drugs it just tranquilizes us so

> we sleep more. With your theory and my theory, we now have 4 cents worth.

> LOL

>

> Fay Bayuk

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In a message dated 7/3/2003 3:18:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jacquemil@... writes:

> Well...I'll value it at about a 3 cents worth....not saying which way it

> leans though. LOL!

>

It must be the dreary weather in your neck of the woods, that gives you

vitaguys your sense of humor.

Fay

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touche'

J.

>

> >> Well...I'll value it at about a 3 cents worth....not saying which way it

>> leans though. LOL!

>>

>

> It must be the dreary weather in your neck of the woods, that gives you

> vitaguys your sense of humor.

>

> Fay

Regards~

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In a message dated 7/3/2003 12:05:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ladybostons@... writes:

> Right now I am " sitting " on a pretty STRONG email to

> another list...wondering if it is just because I need sleep

When I was a secretary about 40 years ago, and my boss dictated one of those

letters, I would find a way to not have it ready until the next day, then he

could decide if he wanted to send it. I now sometimes, save my letter for a

later time. At least I have my thoughts written down.

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I remember reading that after 9/11, something like 70% of Americans

were having trouble sleeping...very much a sign of the times.

in NJ

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> Also...we do seem to live under much more

> pressure these days...and it's no wonder we don't all suffer from

post traumatic stress disorder. I do believe most of us do. I think

it is just a sign of the times we are living in~

> Regards~

> Jacque

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In a message dated 7/3/2003 9:10:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, Haasevp@...

writes:

> Not to say depression couldn't hit

> again, but I do feel better informed and prepared to deal with it.

> :o) Vicki (in CA)

>

sorta like realizing all I have to do is exercise and eat less and whammo, I

am in control of my weight.

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In a message dated 7/3/2003 12:39:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, FBayuk writes:

> >> Not to say depression couldn't hit

>> again, but I do feel better informed and prepared to deal with it.

>> :o) Vicki (in CA)

>>

>

> sorta like realizing all I have to do is exercise and eat less and whammo, I

> am in control of my weight.

>

>

> Fay Bayuk

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>

Not at all for me. I haven't exercised in 2 years, and when I did it wasn't

vigorous it was for my back not weight loss. Its been 4.6 years since I had my

RNY and I learned why *I* (not speaking for anyone else) got fat. I have a

BMI around 22 and haven't had any struggles with my weight since I worked on my

food issues. I know a huge part of the depression for me was an inability

to handle things I hadn't learned to handle without food. That is why I say,

" You have to get right with food to find out it never was about food in the

first place. " Its sort of like this, I quit smoking and turned to food, quit

abusing food (through working the 7 secrets program) and turned to prescriptions

for anxiety and depression. And none of it worked because I still wasn't

dealing with issues I wasn't comfortable dealing with.

I am still learning and don't know all the appropriate ways to cope with

certain feelings and life/relationship issues. But for me, antidepressants were

not a solution, they were part of the problem . . . they couldn't make the

intolerable tolerable. Now I am working on designing my life and not avoiding

certain aspects of it. In the past, it was easier to take a Xanax, than refuse

to be treated like a doormat . . . maybe for a while it was. Now, I am

learning that there are triggers and I am discovering them and learning to deal

constructively. That is not to say I don't believe in true depression where

life is good, but a person can still feel awful. I do believe it. I am

learning

for me, depression is rooted in a refusal to move forward or move on, or

when I think I am going to " rock the boat " and disturb the status quo. Its

funny, my therapist read back to me what I said in session every time she

started

me on a new RX. I was always filled with such hope, but yet I was gripping

about the same stuff 6 years ago as I was last month. ( I went back to the same

therapist I had 6 years ago for a year, early this year as there were issues

that were overwhelming me. It was amazing how within a couple weeks of

quitting all meds RX'd me, I started feeling better and ready to take on things

rather than avoid them. . . I know this isn't the right thing for a lot of

people

to do. I wasn't suicidal or homicidal, nor was I a danger to myself or anyone

else, except for being sleepless and in antidepressants and antianxiety drugs.

I don't have any animosity to anyone for whom medication makes life better,

brighter and more livable, erasing dark clouds or whatever. I wish that would

have been the solution for me, it might have been easier that having to deal

with some cold hard issues. No, diet and exercise aren't the key to long

term weight control. And with anything you do to affect your life, you have to

keep doing it for the rest of your life in order for it to be effective.

:o) Vicki

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Well, I once a couple of years back stopped my antidepressant. After a

couple of weeks my hubby was nicely suggesting to me that I return to it....I

said.. " No...I want to see how I do off it. " Well...after a couple of months, I

was

crumbling...and meaner than a junk yard dog! Needless to say, to save myself

and my marriage...I went back on it..and will stick with it now. I was told

I was a lifer when I went on them...and now realize, until something better

comes along...I prolly am!

Regards~

Jacque

Distal RNY, 5/30/00

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310~126

Beginning BMI 50.0

Current BMI 20.3

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> I don't think this train of thought is way out there it all. It

> makes sense, reminds me of the movie Lorenzo's Oil. I am like a lot

> of this group in that I had/have problems with sleep and depression.

> I was on many different chemicals (physicain prescribed)in the last

> four years. For the last two months I have been on NONE. I decided

> to find out what was really me and I feel better, more grounded. I

> am less prone to depression and I am sleeping well 70% of the time

> which is a huge improvement. I think the doctors are way too quick

> to prescribe th new antidepressants as they view them as safe and a

> first line treatment. I am not saying that some of us don't respond

> well to RX treatment, because I know that isn't true. I am just

> saying that in my case none is more. I feel like I have my life back

> and in my control. I was talking to a friend that has depression and

> is in a bad marriage. One of the smartest things I ever said was

> antidepressant therapy cannot make the intolerable tolerable. For me

> that was an important realization. SO now I am back to activly

> designing the rest of my life. Not to say depression couldn't hit

> again, but I do feel better informed and prepared to deal with it.

> :o) Vicki (in CA)

>

>

> >Just can help but wonder....do we get fat on our brains...that

> cover the

> >myelin sheaths of the nerve connections? Maybe when we lose the

> weight...these

> >synapses become more active..and misfire? Just a theory....but

> wonder if there

> >could be anything to it...going from fat heads to lean brains? I

> know...way

> >out there...but a shot in the dark. Also...we do seem to live

> under much more

> >pressure these days...and it's no wonder we don't all suffer from

> post

> >traumatic stress disorder. I do believe most of us do. I think it

> is just a sign of

> >the times we are living in~

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