Re: Digestive enzymes while on anti-candida SCD

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FYI, my son's toxicologist wanted him to take HCL along with enzymes before each meal The nurse had a hard time finding the HCL the Dr. wanted so they told us that a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar (ACV) would do the same thing. ACV is simple, cheap and more commonly found in most households, so it may be easier for you to try a little ACV first to see if it helps answer the question of whether you're producing too much stomach acid or not enough. ..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:-¸.·´ .·´¨¨))((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:--:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 1:40:58 PMSubject: Re: Digestive enzymes while on anti-candida SCD

Heya ,I am not so well versed on the official test that measures stomach acid since few docs have it. There are different ways to do a challenge DIY style..One of them is to take HCL and if it's in drops it's easier just use a miniscule amount with food and see how it works. GRADUALLY increase if you feel better.You may feel worse- that either means excess stomach acid is present or that too much is being produced.The GAPS store has a nice explaination and sells a legal capsule;http://www.shop. gapsdiet. com/product. sc?productId= 15 & categoryId= 5I too, had to start on a small amount of lemon water and gradually up the amount. I used to have a disaster of upper GI issues.I have not found a legal pancreatin type enzyme but there sure are supplements out there that have the

pancreatin/lipase/ amylase quite high.What are the difficult foods for you to digest?Do you find this has anything to do with time of day?Are you peeling and desseding everything?Jodi> > >>

> > Hi everyone,> > > I'm needing to add more carbs in - if i decide to introduce digestive enzymes should i try Digest Gold (with ViraStop maybe?) or peptizyde and HN-Zyme from Houston Enzymes? I'm currently using antifungals (rotating every 2 weeks - Capryl, Candidase, olive leaf extract). Can you use antifungals and digestive enzymes - maybe just take them an hour or more away from each other? Reading on enzymestuff. com i'm just not sure if i should try Digest gold with the high protease and fruit derived enzymes (bromelain, papain) since i'm fighting yeast. Fruit and higher vegetable carbs are a problem and when i eat too much fat (olive oil) i have a pain in my upper right side - gall bladder i think. The Candidase i did ok on starting with 1/2 capsule for 4-5 days and then 1 capsule for a week. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated! > > > > > > > > > SCD - 17 months>

> > SCD and anti-candida - almost 4 months> > > Gluten Sensitive dx - 01/08> > > Gluten free - 01/08> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jodi! I may order the HCL to try. Thanks for the Gaps link - that has

good information. Last August it was time for my 3 yr. colonoscopy and i had my

first endoscopy and there was stomach lining irritation with green bile and

dried blood. She wasn't sure why but said something about stomach acid (i can't

remember exactly) and i assumed i was producing too much. I'll start with a

tiny amount of the HCL. The only foods i'm tolerating are chicken, fish,

shrimp, scallops, occasionally bison, well cooked broccoli and asparagus and raw

romaine lettuce, EVOO, sea salt and pepper. I was eating green beans, (i

deseeded them in the beginning of the diet), carrots and ripe banana but when i

cut them out it seemed to help my pain. It seems the fruit and higher carb

veggies are more difficult for me to digest. Since eating only low carb i have

tried well cooked pureed blueberries diluted with water and couldn't tolerate

them and pears the same way (peeled twice before cooking). I've tried cabbage

and cauliflower and the cabbage may be ok but the cauliflower i think wasn't.

I'll try cabbage again. I haven't noticed about the time of day but i'll try to

pay closer attention. My pain is worse when i wake up in the morning and after

i get up and get moving it'll ease up - if it's bad i can still feel it

throughout the day but is definitely a lot worse right when i wake up.

I'm glad you're doing better - sounds like you've had many struggles as well.

It gives me hope so thank you so much!!

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > I'm needing to add more carbs in - if i decide to introduce digestive

enzymes should i try Digest Gold (with ViraStop maybe?) or peptizyde and HN-Zyme

from Houston Enzymes? I'm currently using antifungals (rotating every 2 weeks -

Capryl, Candidase, olive leaf extract). Can you use antifungals and digestive

enzymes - maybe just take them an hour or more away from each other? Reading on

enzymestuff.com i'm just not sure if i should try Digest gold with the high

protease and fruit derived enzymes (bromelain, papain) since i'm fighting yeast.

Fruit and higher vegetable carbs are a problem and when i eat too much fat

(olive oil) i have a pain in my upper right side - gall bladder i think. The

Candidase i did ok on starting with 1/2 capsule for 4-5 days and then 1 capsule

for a week. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > SCD - 17 months

> > > > SCD and anti-candida - almost 4 months

> > > > Gluten Sensitive dx - 01/08

> > > > Gluten free - 01/08

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks so much for the information! I have some ACV so i'll try a little of

that in the morning. Did you just mix a small amount with a little water or

drizzle it on his food? Is Bragg's ACV with the mother SCD legal? That's what

i have but may go ahead and get the regular to try. Seems like for some reason

i've read the kind with the mother wasn't but could be wrong. I met with a

Nutritionist this past Friday and she mentioned she's started adding a little in

the morning and before dinner and that's helped with her constipation (she's

celiac and has had lots of digestive issues also). I'll try the ACV first since

i have some but if Bragg's isn't SCD legal i'll get some regular organic ACV

which i've seen at my local Kroger. Thanks again!

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > I'm needing to add more carbs in - if i decide to introduce digestive

enzymes should i try Digest Gold (with ViraStop maybe?) or peptizyde and HN-Zyme

from Houston Enzymes? I'm currently using antifungals (rotating every 2 weeks -

Capryl, Candidase, olive leaf extract). Can you use antifungals and digestive

enzymes - maybe just take them an hour or more away from each other? Reading on

enzymestuff. com i'm just not sure if i should try Digest gold with the high

protease and fruit derived enzymes (bromelain, papain) since i'm fighting yeast.

Fruit and higher vegetable carbs are a problem and when i eat too much fat

(olive oil) i have a pain in my upper right side - gall bladder i think. The

Candidase i did ok on starting with 1/2 capsule for 4-5 days and then 1 capsule

for a week. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > SCD - 17 months

> > > > SCD and anti-candida - almost 4 months

> > > > Gluten Sensitive dx - 01/08

> > > > Gluten free - 01/08

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi ,

> Thanks so much for the information! I have some ACV so i'll try a little of

that in the morning. Did you just mix a small amount with a little water or

drizzle it on his food? Is Bragg's ACV with the mother SCD legal? That's what

i have but may go ahead and get the regular to try. Seems like for some reason

i've read the kind with the mother wasn't but could be wrong.

Not wrong because it contains yeast - but you can just filter it through a

coffee filter. And then it's fine.

Mara

[Guest guest]

My son drinks it straight out of a little plactic dosing cup, and chases it with some water - but then he's always loved anything vinegar. He would choose a pickle over a cookie anyday

The mother in Bragg's isn't legal - but you can filter it through a coffee filter and it would work great.

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 7:15:08 PMSubject: Re: Digestive enzymes while on anti-candida SCD

Hi ,Thanks so much for the information! I have some ACV so i'll try a little of that in the morning. Did you just mix a small amount with a little water or drizzle it on his food? Is Bragg's ACV with the mother SCD legal? That's what i have but may go ahead and get the regular to try. Seems like for some reason i've read the kind with the mother wasn't but could be wrong. I met with a Nutritionist this past Friday and she mentioned she's started adding a little in the morning and before dinner and that's helped with her constipation (she's celiac and has had lots of digestive issues also). I'll try the ACV first since i have some but if Bragg's isn't SCD legal i'll get some regular organic ACV which i've seen at my local Kroger. Thanks again! >> FYI, my son's toxicologist wanted him to take HCL along with enzymes before each meal. The nurse had a hard time finding the HCL the Dr. wanted so they told us that a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar (ACV) would do the same thing. ACV is simple, cheap and more commonly found in most households, so it may be easier for you to try a little ACV first to see if it helps answer the question of whether you're producing too much stomach acid or not enough.> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Mara,

I don't mean to be redundant...Braggs ACV " with the mother " has yeast? Is

straining it enough? Is there another brand that would be better? Thanks,

Randi

>

> > Hi ,

> > Thanks so much for the information! I have some ACV so i'll try a little of

that in the morning. Did you just mix a small amount with a little water or

drizzle it on his food? Is Bragg's ACV with the mother SCD legal? That's what

i have but may go ahead and get the regular to try. Seems like for some reason

i've read the kind with the mother wasn't but could be wrong.

>

> Not wrong because it contains yeast - but you can just filter it through a

coffee filter. And then it's fine.

>

> Mara

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jodi,

I think my irritation is better but i've had some pain recently so maybe i

shouldn't try the ACV or HCL right now. The only supplements i'm taking are

Freeda multivitamin, Pure Encapsulations B-complex and Active B6 P5B50 (my Dr.

said this helps some people to absorb the B-complex better), Pure Encapsulations

Acidophilus, Pure Encapsulations Vitamin D-3 (4,000 iu's per day). I wonder if

i should just drop a supplement for a few days or so just to see. I'm just not

eating any fruit or med-high carb veggies so i know i'm missing out on some

valuable nutrients (i met with a Nutritionist last Fri. and she suggested the

digestive enzymes to try to add more veggies and fruit - she was concerned how

unbalanced my diet is with hardly any carbs). She wanted me to re-evaluate the

B-vitamins i'm taking w/my Dr. Yesterday i didn't take the active B-6 so i'll

omit that for a few days to see if it makes a difference.

I put 2 drops of lemon juice in my water this morning and can kind of feel a

little something going on with my stomach so maybe that's a sign not to do the

ACV or HCL - i only had Bragg's ACV so i didn't try it this morning - i've had

it for a while so don't know if it's still good. I had been putting a tiny bit

of baking soda in my water in the morning and a little in my water bottle that i

take to work (with a tiny bit of sea salt) because i read where that can help to

buffer the acid and it seems to have been helping. The nutritionist said to

stop that and see how i do with just the little bit of lemon. Before using the

baking soda i would get to feeling acidic (burning in bum mainly after

elimination) - i wonder if that means i have too much acid or is it just

die-off? I often feel burning when i urinate. But if i have low acid the ACV

or HCL would help if my stomach lining can take it. Ugh, sorry for all of the

questions! lol! I get so overwhelmed trying to figure this out. My GI Dr. had

prescribed liquid carafate (which has illegal sorbitol) for my stomach lining

irritation and it helped but i'm sure made my yeast worse. I would like to fix

what's causing the irritation rather than just treat the symptom.

I think i'll just try the digestive enzymes first and see how that goes.

Although, i forgot to bring my vitamins with me today and i usually take them

after eating lunch - maybe i won't take them for a few days and see how that

goes before trying the enzymes(exept my D-3 - i think i need that or i start

feeling bad). I try to puree my foods when possible - maybe i just need to take

a whole weekend and eat only pureed foods and try to cut back on the animal

protein. If it weren't for you guys on this forum i don't know what I'd do!!

Thanks for sharing all of your experiences - it helps me so much. Thanks

again so much for your help Jodi and warning me about the irritation and HCL!

If you see anything else that i might need to do or not do - please let me

know, i'm welcome to more suggestions!! My brain hurts! lol!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > > > I'm needing to add more carbs in - if i decide to introduce

digestive enzymes should i try Digest Gold (with ViraStop maybe?) or peptizyde

and HN-Zyme from Houston Enzymes? I'm currently using antifungals (rotating

every 2 weeks - Capryl, Candidase, olive leaf extract). Can you use antifungals

and digestive enzymes - maybe just take them an hour or more away from each

other? Reading on enzymestuff.com i'm just not sure if i should try Digest gold

with the high protease and fruit derived enzymes (bromelain, papain) since i'm

fighting yeast. Fruit and higher vegetable carbs are a problem and when i eat

too much fat (olive oil) i have a pain in my upper right side - gall bladder i

think. The Candidase i did ok on starting with 1/2 capsule for 4-5 days and

then 1 capsule for a week. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SCD - 17 months

> > > > > > SCD and anti-candida - almost 4 months

> > > > > > Gluten Sensitive dx - 01/08

> > > > > > Gluten free - 01/08

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Randi,You basically need yeast to make vinegar. It is o.k. It is just usually not included when the vinegar is ready to be bottled. For some makers of vinegar, they include it when they bottle the vinegar. For SCDers, you don't want to accidentally consume the yeast, so straining it is good enough.AmeliaHusband UC 9 years, SCD 20 monthsLDN 3 mgTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 3:47:51 PMSubject: Re: Digestive enzymes while on anti-candida SCD

Hi Mara,

I don't mean to be redundant... Braggs ACV "with the mother" has yeast? Is straining it enough? Is there another brand that would be better? Thanks,

Randi

>

> > Hi ,

> > Thanks so much for the information! I have some ACV so i'll try a little of that in the morning. Did you just mix a small amount with a little water or drizzle it on his food? Is Bragg's ACV with the mother SCD legal? That's what i have but may go ahead and get the regular to try. Seems like for some reason i've read the kind with the mother wasn't but could be wrong.

>

> Not wrong because it contains yeast - but you can just filter it through a coffee filter. And then it's fine.

>

> Mara

>

[Guest guest]

,I wanted to pass along something I read recently. Low stomach acid and high stomach acid can actually have the same symptoms. Low stomach acid, however, can allow pathogens to flourish in the stomach when the normal acid level would kill them off. Low stomach acid can somehow lead to the relaxing of the sphincter values at the end of the esophagus and at the opening to the bowels from the stomach which will lead to that heartburn feeling. The pathogens themselves can put off irritating toxins that can inflame the stomach causing it to burn and hurt. I heard a good test was to take a bit of water with baking soda first thing in the morning. You should hear/feel a bit of gurgling immediately after drinking if you have a good stomach acid level. I am

guessing it would be the opposite if you had low acid and took a bit of vinegar or lemon -- a gurgle -- but I don't have proof of that it just logically follows.Sorry if all this has been mentioned to you already!AmeliaHusband UC 9 years, SCD 20 monthsLDN 3 mgTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 4:20:16 PMSubject: Re: Digestive enzymes while on anti-candida

SCD

Hi Jodi,

I think my irritation is better but i've had some pain recently so maybe i shouldn't try the ACV or HCL right now. The only supplements i'm taking are Freeda multivitamin, Pure Encapsulations B-complex and Active B6 P5B50 (my Dr. said this helps some people to absorb the B-complex better), Pure Encapsulations Acidophilus, Pure Encapsulations Vitamin D-3 (4,000 iu's per day). I wonder if i should just drop a supplement for a few days or so just to see. I'm just not eating any fruit or med-high carb veggies so i know i'm missing out on some valuable nutrients (i met with a Nutritionist last Fri. and she suggested the digestive enzymes to try to add more veggies and fruit - she was concerned how unbalanced my diet is with hardly any carbs). She wanted me to re-evaluate the B-vitamins i'm taking w/my Dr. Yesterday i didn't take the active B-6 so i'll omit that for a few days to see if it makes a difference.

I put 2 drops of lemon juice in my water this morning and can kind of feel a little something going on with my stomach so maybe that's a sign not to do the ACV or HCL - i only had Bragg's ACV so i didn't try it this morning - i've had it for a while so don't know if it's still good. I had been putting a tiny bit of baking soda in my water in the morning and a little in my water bottle that i take to work (with a tiny bit of sea salt) because i read where that can help to buffer the acid and it seems to have been helping. The nutritionist said to stop that and see how i do with just the little bit of lemon. Before using the baking soda i would get to feeling acidic (burning in bum mainly after elimination) - i wonder if that means i have too much acid or is it just die-off? I often feel burning when i urinate. But if i have low acid the ACV or HCL would help if my stomach lining can take it. Ugh, sorry for all of the questions! lol! I get so

overwhelmed trying to figure this out. My GI Dr. had prescribed liquid carafate (which has illegal sorbitol) for my stomach lining irritation and it helped but i'm sure made my yeast worse. I would like to fix what's causing the irritation rather than just treat the symptom.

I think i'll just try the digestive enzymes first and see how that goes. Although, i forgot to bring my vitamins with me today and i usually take them after eating lunch - maybe i won't take them for a few days and see how that goes before trying the enzymes(exept my D-3 - i think i need that or i start feeling bad). I try to puree my foods when possible - maybe i just need to take a whole weekend and eat only pureed foods and try to cut back on the animal protein. If it weren't for you guys on this forum i don't know what I'd do!! Thanks for sharing all of your experiences - it helps me so much. Thanks again so much for your help Jodi and warning me about the irritation and HCL! If you see anything else that i might need to do or not do - please let me know, i'm welcome to more suggestions! ! My brain hurts! lol!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > > > I'm needing to add more carbs in - if i decide to introduce digestive enzymes should i try Digest Gold (with ViraStop maybe?) or peptizyde and HN-Zyme from Houston Enzymes? I'm currently using antifungals (rotating every 2 weeks - Capryl, Candidase, olive leaf extract). Can you use antifungals and digestive enzymes - maybe just take them an hour or more away from each other? Reading on enzymestuff. com i'm just not sure if i should try Digest gold with the high protease and fruit derived enzymes (bromelain, papain) since i'm fighting yeast. Fruit and higher vegetable carbs are a problem and when i eat too much fat (olive oil) i have a pain in my upper right side - gall bladder i think. The Candidase i did ok on starting with 1/2 capsule for 4-5 days and then 1 capsule for a week. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SCD - 17 months

> > > > > > SCD and anti-candida - almost 4 months

> > > > > > Gluten Sensitive dx - 01/08

> > > > > > Gluten free - 01/08

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jodi,

Re: lauricidn, I assume you have used it yourself? How far apart do/did you

space lauricidn and probiotics? I have just started taking lauricidn. My plan

is to take it with lunch and dinner, and take my probiotics in the morning and

perhaps right before going to bed.

Thanks,

Jill

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > I'm needing to add more carbs in - if i decide to introduce digestive

enzymes should i try Digest Gold (with ViraStop maybe?) or peptizyde and HN-Zyme

from Houston Enzymes? I'm currently using antifungals (rotating every 2 weeks -

Capryl, Candidase, olive leaf extract). Can you use antifungals and digestive

enzymes - maybe just take them an hour or more away from each other? Reading on

enzymestuff.com i'm just not sure if i should try Digest gold with the high

protease and fruit derived enzymes (bromelain, papain) since i'm fighting yeast.

Fruit and higher vegetable carbs are a problem and when i eat too much fat

(olive oil) i have a pain in my upper right side - gall bladder i think. The

Candidase i did ok on starting with 1/2 capsule for 4-5 days and then 1 capsule

for a week. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!

> >

> >

> > SCD - 17 months

> > SCD and anti-candida - almost 4 months

> > Gluten Sensitive dx - 01/08

> > Gluten free - 01/08

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> I think my irritation is better but i've had some pain recently so maybe i

shouldn't try the ACV or HCL right now. The only supplements i'm taking are

Freeda multivitamin, Pure Encapsulations B-complex and Active B6 P5B50 (my Dr.

said this helps some people to absorb the B-complex better), Pure Encapsulations

Acidophilus, Pure Encapsulations Vitamin D-3 (4,000 iu's per day). I wonder if

i should just drop a supplement for a few days or so just to see. I'm just not

eating any fruit or med-high carb veggies so i know i'm missing out on some

valuable nutrients (i met with a Nutritionist last Fri. and she suggested the

digestive enzymes to try to add more veggies and fruit - she was concerned how

unbalanced my diet is with hardly any carbs). She wanted me to re-evaluate the

B-vitamins i'm taking w/my Dr. Yesterday i didn't take the active B-6 so i'll

omit that for a few days to see if it makes a difference.

Personally, stay away from ACV and HCL until healing takes place.

I would also advise you to back off as many supplements as possible until some

healing takes place.

Is there any way you can get IV's?

Mal-absorption sucks! but once you start healing you won't malabsorb and you

will get a lot more out of food. As of now it's hard to say what is actually

nourishing you and what is aggravating your situation.

But I am not a doctor, just speaking from my own experience.

> I put 2 drops of lemon juice in my water this morning and can kind of feel a

little something going on with my stomach so maybe that's a sign not to do the

ACV or HCL - i only had Bragg's ACV so i didn't try it this morning - i've had

it for a while so don't know if it's still good. I had been putting a tiny bit

of baking soda in my water in the morning and a little in my water bottle that i

take to work (with a tiny bit of sea salt) because i read where that can help to

buffer the acid and it seems to have been helping. The nutritionist said to

stop that and see how i do with just the little bit of lemon. Before using the

baking soda i would get to feeling acidic (burning in bum mainly after

elimination) - i wonder if that means i have too much acid or is it just

die-off? I often feel burning when i urinate. But if i have low acid the ACV

or HCL would help if my stomach lining can take it. Ugh, sorry for all of the

questions! lol! I get so overwhelmed trying to figure this out. My GI Dr. had

prescribed liquid carafate (which has illegal sorbitol) for my stomach lining

irritation and it helped but i'm sure made my yeast worse. I would like to fix

what's causing the irritation rather than just treat the symptom.

The SCD will correct your bad gut dysbiosis.

That is what you need to stop feeding the bad bugs at this point.

You see now you are in this vicious cycle- by feeding the bad bugs you just make

the irritation worse. Like pouring gas on teh flame really.

Get the diet down and after that look for definitions and reasoning.

I know it is frustrating, but it is just part of the process.

I wish it was easier!!!!

> I think i'll just try the digestive enzymes first and see how that goes.

Although, i forgot to bring my vitamins with me today and i usually take them

after eating lunch - maybe i won't take them for a few days and see how that

goes before trying the enzymes(exept my D-3 - i think i need that or i start

feeling bad). I try to puree my foods when possible - maybe i just need to take

a whole weekend and eat only pureed foods and try to cut back on the animal

protein. If it weren't for you guys on this forum i don't know what I'd do!!

Thanks for sharing all of your experiences - it helps me so much. Thanks

again so much for your help Jodi and warning me about the irritation and HCL!

If you see anything else that i might need to do or not do - please let me

know, i'm welcome to more suggestions!! My brain hurts! lol!

Your welcome.

Many of us have been there !

I would just calm down and do the diet.. easier said than done, huh?

You should of seen some of my flip outs and how Marilyn and Kim M were like

soothing balm for me.. LOL's.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Jill,

My body can't tolerate most of these things so I have had to do the slow and

steady route. I have done a whole bunch of research though.

Yes, I have tried some things and have lived to share the tale LOL.

I would totally keep it like 4 hours apart. Many differing opinions about this

one! Some don't even think it's an issue, some only feel 2 hours necessary...

Jodi

>

> Jodi,

>

> Re: lauricidn, I assume you have used it yourself? How far apart do/did you

space lauricidn and probiotics? I have just started taking lauricidn. My plan

is to take it with lunch and dinner, and take my probiotics in the morning and

perhaps right before going to bed.

>

> Thanks,

> Jill

[Guest guest]

On my healing journey I’ve had to do without most

supplements. Between a malfunctioning digestive and nervous system, an

oversensitive immune system, and having Interstitial Cystitis (bladder lining

inflammation) taking a supplement is a constant challenge. It is

frustrating when everyone tells you to try this or that to fix that problem but

your body reacts badly and makes things a lot worse [sigh].

The most important thing I learned when I started SCD was

that supplements caused problems more often than foods. As a result, I

went several months without using any supplements, then started adding one at a

time. If I started getting symptoms I’d stop all supplements for a

few weeks, then pick the most important one and work with just that one for a

while, trying different dosages and frequency of use, trying a different mode

of use (mixing in water instead of swallowing a capsule), trying

different brands, trying to take it at different times of day. Sometimes

I could work with my body to take that supplement, most of the time I could

not.

Digestive enzymes happen to be one of the most challenging

supplements for me. Still can’t take them. I could use them

as I have a malfunctioning upper GI and low levels of bile and pancreatic

enzymes but my immune system responds every time. So, for now, I stick to

easy-to-digest foods and work with my dysfunctional upper GI.

You mention burning when you urinate. This is a common sign

of having Interstitial Cystitis. Supplements and medications tend to

cause more problems than foods in this regard. It’s also a common

symptom of having a bladder or kidney infection, however, so you may need to

have a sample cultured to ensure you aren’t dealing with an

infection.

In the meantime, I suggest you stop all supplements for a

few weeks and just work on foods, and see how your body does. Then pick

one supplement that seems the most critical to you and work with just that one

for a few weeks. It may take some experimenting for you to figure out if

it helps or causes problems, and if you need to vary the dose or try a

different brand.

Kim M.

SCD 6 years

Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6+ years

Neurological deterioration 3+ years

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>Before

using the baking soda i would get to feeling acidic (burning in bum mainly

after elimination) - i wonder if that means i have too much acid or is it just

die-off? I often feel burning when i urinate. But if i have low acid the ACV or

HCL would help if my stomach lining can take it. Ugh, sorry for all of the

questions! lol! I get so overwhelmed trying to figure this out. My GI Dr. had

prescribed liquid carafate (which has illegal sorbitol) for my stomach lining

irritation and it helped but i'm sure made my yeast worse. I would like to fix

what's causing the irritation rather than just treat the symptom.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jodi! You're absolutely right...i need to calm down and go back to

basics....thanks for the advice. Last night i had a little grass fed beef bone

broth before dinner and just pureed some well cooked asparagus and broccoli with

water and a little bone broth mixed in and a little celtic sea salt. I left out

chicken to see if just digesting the pureed veggies is easier for me. I did

seem to feel a little better this morning and had a little more energy (i

suspect from the bone broth). I've stopped all supplements except the D-3 -

maybe i'll try removing that too for just a short while. I'm getting some

samples from Houston enzymes so if this doesn't help i'll try them in the

future.

Should i try the 4 hour cooked carrots again as listed on the Intro while

fighting candida or should i just stick to the broccoli & asparagus i know i can

tolerate? The carrots agreed with me in the beginning of the diet but the last

time i was eating them i wasn't cooking them 4 hours and i was using the

mini-carrots unpeeled so that may have been part of it. I'm going to try jello

again although i don't tolerate anything to mix it with - maybe i could make it

with water and a tiny bit of honey. I did that during my colonoscopy prep and

from what i could tell it was ok. Thanks again!

>

> Hi ,

>

>

> > I think my irritation is better but i've had some pain recently so maybe i

shouldn't try the ACV or HCL right now. The only supplements i'm taking are

Freeda multivitamin, Pure Encapsulations B-complex and Active B6 P5B50 (my Dr.

said this helps some people to absorb the B-complex better), Pure Encapsulations

Acidophilus, Pure Encapsulations Vitamin D-3 (4,000 iu's per day). I wonder if

i should just drop a supplement for a few days or so just to see. I'm just not

eating any fruit or med-high carb veggies so i know i'm missing out on some

valuable nutrients (i met with a Nutritionist last Fri. and she suggested the

digestive enzymes to try to add more veggies and fruit - she was concerned how

unbalanced my diet is with hardly any carbs). She wanted me to re-evaluate the

B-vitamins i'm taking w/my Dr. Yesterday i didn't take the active B-6 so i'll

omit that for a few days to see if it makes a difference.

>

>

>

> Personally, stay away from ACV and HCL until healing takes place.

> I would also advise you to back off as many supplements as possible until some

healing takes place.

> Is there any way you can get IV's?

> Mal-absorption sucks! but once you start healing you won't malabsorb and you

will get a lot more out of food. As of now it's hard to say what is actually

nourishing you and what is aggravating your situation.

> But I am not a doctor, just speaking from my own experience.

>

>

>

> > I put 2 drops of lemon juice in my water this morning and can kind of feel a

little something going on with my stomach so maybe that's a sign not to do the

ACV or HCL - i only had Bragg's ACV so i didn't try it this morning - i've had

it for a while so don't know if it's still good. I had been putting a tiny bit

of baking soda in my water in the morning and a little in my water bottle that i

take to work (with a tiny bit of sea salt) because i read where that can help to

buffer the acid and it seems to have been helping. The nutritionist said to

stop that and see how i do with just the little bit of lemon. Before using the

baking soda i would get to feeling acidic (burning in bum mainly after

elimination) - i wonder if that means i have too much acid or is it just

die-off? I often feel burning when i urinate. But if i have low acid the ACV

or HCL would help if my stomach lining can take it. Ugh, sorry for all of the

questions! lol! I get so overwhelmed trying to figure this out. My GI Dr. had

prescribed liquid carafate (which has illegal sorbitol) for my stomach lining

irritation and it helped but i'm sure made my yeast worse. I would like to fix

what's causing the irritation rather than just treat the symptom.

>

>

>

>

> The SCD will correct your bad gut dysbiosis.

> That is what you need to stop feeding the bad bugs at this point.

> You see now you are in this vicious cycle- by feeding the bad bugs you just

make the irritation worse. Like pouring gas on teh flame really.

> Get the diet down and after that look for definitions and reasoning.

> I know it is frustrating, but it is just part of the process.

> I wish it was easier!!!!

>

>

>

> > I think i'll just try the digestive enzymes first and see how that goes.

Although, i forgot to bring my vitamins with me today and i usually take them

after eating lunch - maybe i won't take them for a few days and see how that

goes before trying the enzymes(exept my D-3 - i think i need that or i start

feeling bad). I try to puree my foods when possible - maybe i just need to take

a whole weekend and eat only pureed foods and try to cut back on the animal

protein. If it weren't for you guys on this forum i don't know what I'd do!!

Thanks for sharing all of your experiences - it helps me so much. Thanks

again so much for your help Jodi and warning me about the irritation and HCL!

If you see anything else that i might need to do or not do - please let me

know, i'm welcome to more suggestions!! My brain hurts! lol!

>

>

>

> Your welcome.

> Many of us have been there !

> I would just calm down and do the diet.. easier said than done, huh?

> You should of seen some of my flip outs and how Marilyn and Kim M were like

soothing balm for me.. LOL's.

>

> Jodi

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Kim! I've just recently stopped all supplements except the vit D-3 -

maybe i'll eliminate it for a short while to see how it goes. I'll eliminate

all others for at least 2 weeks. I need to make a Dr. appt soon so i'll ask her

about the burning urination - it seemed better this morning since i didn't eat

any animal protein last night for dinner - just pureed broccoli and asparagus

with water and grass fed beef bone broth. I'll test my urine soon to see if

it's acidic - the last time i did it was and i was assuming the burning is just

my system being too acidic from the bad bug die-off and from eating too much

animal protein sometimes? Thanks for mentioning this - i'll get it checked out.

I'll eat pureed well tolerated foods (which isn't a whole lot lol!) as much as i

can and i'll make more grass fed beef bone broth. I seem to tolerate that

better than the pasteured local chicken bone broth - maybe because they're fed

some grains (from what i've researched all chickens are fed a little bit of

grains - if true then maybe that's why). Thanks a bunch!

SCD - 17 months

SCD anti candida - almost 4 months

Gluten sensitive dx - 01/08

Gluten free - 01/08

>

>

>

>

>

> On my healing journey I've had to do without most supplements. Between a

> malfunctioning digestive and nervous system, an oversensitive immune system,

> and having Interstitial Cystitis (bladder lining inflammation) taking a

> supplement is a constant challenge. It is frustrating when everyone tells

> you to try this or that to fix that problem but your body reacts badly and

> makes things a lot worse [sigh].

>

>

>

> The most important thing I learned when I started SCD was that supplements

> caused problems more often than foods. As a result, I went several months

> without using any supplements, then started adding one at a time. If I

> started getting symptoms I'd stop all supplements for a few weeks, then pick

> the most important one and work with just that one for a while, trying

> different dosages and frequency of use, trying a different mode of use

> (mixing in water instead of swallowing a capsule), trying different brands,

> trying to take it at different times of day. Sometimes I could work with my

> body to take that supplement, most of the time I could not.

>

>

>

> Digestive enzymes happen to be one of the most challenging supplements for

> me. Still can't take them. I could use them as I have a malfunctioning

> upper GI and low levels of bile and pancreatic enzymes but my immune system

> responds every time. So, for now, I stick to easy-to-digest foods and work

> with my dysfunctional upper GI.

>

>

>

> You mention burning when you urinate. This is a common sign of having

> Interstitial Cystitis. Supplements and medications tend to cause more

> problems than foods in this regard. It's also a common symptom of having a

> bladder or kidney infection, however, so you may need to have a sample

> cultured to ensure you aren't dealing with an infection.

>

>

>

> In the meantime, I suggest you stop all supplements for a few weeks and just

> work on foods, and see how your body does. Then pick one supplement that

> seems the most critical to you and work with just that one for a few weeks.

> It may take some experimenting for you to figure out if it helps or causes

> problems, and if you need to vary the dose or try a different brand.

>

>

>

> Kim M.

>

> SCD 6 years

>

> Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6+ years

>

> Neurological deterioration 3+ years

>

>

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> >>>>>>Before using the baking soda i would get to feeling acidic (burning in

> bum mainly after elimination) - i wonder if that means i have too much acid

> or is it just die-off? I often feel burning when i urinate. But if i have

> low acid the ACV or HCL would help if my stomach lining can take it. Ugh,

> sorry for all of the questions! lol! I get so overwhelmed trying to figure

> this out. My GI Dr. had prescribed liquid carafate (which has illegal

> sorbitol) for my stomach lining irritation and it helped but i'm sure made

> my yeast worse. I would like to fix what's causing the irritation rather

> than just treat the symptom.

>

[Guest guest]

I often now make my gelatin with just a couple of tablespoons of fresh

lemon juice (or sometimes a bit of vitamin C powder), and a bit of

stevia. Honey would be even nicer if you tolerate it. It is quite nice,

really, a light sort of lemonade gelatin.

I'm going to try jello again although i don't tolerate anything to

mix it with - maybe i could make it with water and a tiny bit of honey.

[Guest guest]

stevia is not legal

>

> I often now make my gelatin with just a couple of tablespoons of

> fresh lemon juice (or sometimes a bit of vitamin C powder), and a

> bit of stevia. Honey would be even nicer if you tolerate it. It is

> quite nice, really, a light sort of lemonade gelatin.

>

>

> I'm going to try jello again although i don't tolerate anything to

> mix it with - maybe i could make it with water and a tiny bit of honey.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks and smdsmom! I'll probably just make it with water to make sure i'll

be able to tolerate it....how tasty!

> >

> > I often now make my gelatin with just a couple of tablespoons of

> > fresh lemon juice (or sometimes a bit of vitamin C powder), and a

> > bit of stevia. Honey would be even nicer if you tolerate it. It is

> > quite nice, really, a light sort of lemonade gelatin.

> >

> >

> > I'm going to try jello again although i don't tolerate anything to

> > mix it with - maybe i could make it with water and a tiny bit of honey.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim,

I am interested in what symptoms you have with a malfunctioning upper GI. I have continually complained to my doctor of upper abdominal aches. It feels like it's right under the breast bone. Pressure into the chest especially when I lay on my back. It often feels ill up high. Also pain in my liver and over to the left. Pancreas?? I have extremely low levels of HCL and pancreatic enzymes. I've been on SCD now for a week and today I finally checked the supplements I'm taking for my adrenal fatigue. They contain inulin. Big sigh. Now I don't know what to do as I've just spent a couple hundred dollars. I feel like I do need extra support because of my severe fatigue most of the time.

Darlene

SCD 7 days

From: Kim Mumbower kkmumbower@...

On my healing journey I’ve had to do without most supplements. Between a malfunctioning digestive and nervous system, an oversensitive immune system, and having Interstitial Cystitis (bladder lining inflammation) taking a supplement is a constant challenge. It is frustrating when everyone tells you to try this or that to fix that problem but your body reacts badly and makes things a lot worse [sigh].

The most important thing I learned when I started SCD was that supplements caused problems more often than foods. As a result, I went several months without using any supplements, then started adding one at a time. If I started getting symptoms I’d stop all supplements for a few weeks, then pick the most important one and work with just that one for a while, trying different dosages and frequency of use, trying a different mode of use (mixing in water instead of swallowing a capsule), trying different brands, trying to take it at different times of day. Sometimes I could work with my body to take that supplement, most of the time I could not.

Digestive enzymes happen to be one of the most challenging supplements for me. Still can’t take them. I could use them as I have a malfunctioning upper GI and low levels of bile and pancreatic enzymes but my immune system responds every time. So, for now, I stick to easy-to-digest foods and work with my dysfunctional upper GI.

You mention burning when you urinate. This is a common sign of having Interstitial Cystitis. Supplements and medications tend to cause more problems than foods in this regard. It’s also a common symptom of having a bladder or kidney infection, however, so you may need to have a sample cultured to ensure you aren’t dealing with an infection.

In the meantime, I suggest you stop all supplements for a few weeks and just work on foods, and see how your body does. Then pick one supplement that seems the most critical to you and work with just that one for a few weeks. It may take some experimenting for you to figure out if it helps or causes problems, and if you need to vary the dose or try a different brand.

Kim M.

SCD 6 years

Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6+ years

Neurological deterioration 3+ years

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[Guest guest]

hi darlene

i just mentioned s. of o. dysfunction cause you were asking kim about her

stomach pain and i believe that is what she has (i could be wrong)

yes i would say to still follow his advice about hiatal hernia, and also there

is a book " hiatal hernia syndrome " by baroody that helped me learn how to move

the stomach back down. also if you can find someone who does massage/bodywork

and is familiar with myofascial release and cranio-sacral therapy they can work

to release the stomach to move back down. of course when i react to foods or

have too much die off my hernia comes back but is not as bad as it was at first.

the entire digestive system needs to heal at once, so it's just one piece of the

puzzle. also chirporactors sometimes know how to do the myopractic maneuver to

move the stomach back down but not all of them do and it is usually more harsh

that myofascial release

andrea

scd 2 months

[Guest guest]

,

Yes, I've had chiropractors move it down for me. But your email is a good reminder for me to keep doing my at-home protocol. The weight of the water in my stomach in the morning and dropping down on my heels seems to work after a few days. Also your point about the entire digestive system needing to heal at once is a good one.I had stopped the procedure for the hiatal hernia when I had so many other intestinal symptoms that I was stuck in. Now with SCD I will re-introduce it. It must be a hiatal hernia as it is a constant, very specific location of pressure and discomfort right at the top of my solar plexus under the ribs and extends up into my chest. I may also check out that book. Thanks for this valuable information. DarleneIntestinal DysbiosisSCD 9 days

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 11:04:59 AMSubject: Re: Digestive enzymes while on anti-candida SCD

hi darlenei just mentioned s. of o. dysfunction cause you were asking kim about her stomach pain and i believe that is what she has (i could be wrong)yes i would say to still follow his advice about hiatal hernia, and also there is a book "hiatal hernia syndrome" by baroody that helped me learn how to move the stomach back down. also if you can find someone who does massage/bodywork and is familiar with myofascial release and cranio-sacral therapy they can work to release the stomach to move back down. of course when i react to foods or have too much die off my hernia comes back but is not as bad as it was at first. the entire digestive system needs to heal at once, so it's just one piece of the puzzle. also chirporactors sometimes know how to do the myopractic maneuver to move the stomach back down but not all of them do and it is usually more harsh that myofascial release:)andreascd 2

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