RE: Yet another iron/anemia question

[Guest guest]

,

I did not have this exact thing happen but I have had to deal

with an arrogant Physicians Assistant that thought he was God. I gained

112 lbs in 8 months. I went from wearing a size 7 shoe to a size 12

men's shoe. I was tired all of the time. I had diabetic sores for 9

months that were not healing. The edema in my feet and legs was awful.

Yet I was told nothing was wrong with me. I finally asked what the

warning signs of heart disease in women were. He proceeded to tell me

the signs of a heart attack in men. I asked him 7 times about heart

disease in general. He had NO CLUE. I ended up in the hospital with

congestive heart failure (gee, ya thank that might be a heart disease.)

So what did I do? I found a physician who believed that I knew more

about my body then anybody and was willing to listen to me. Problem

solved. Consider changing PCP's immediately.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

479/335/???

On Sat, 31 May 2003 23:32:30 -0000 " angela6237220 "

writes:

> I have a question about iron / anemia and want to see what others

> with this problem have heard from their physician on this. I have

> gotten different answers from health professionals and am confused.

>

>

> My ferritin has been a downward slide since I had surgery 19 months

>

> ago. 45 days ago it tested at 5. 6 months ago it was 10. My

> hemoglobin and hermatocrit have tested in the low normal range

> during

> this odyssey. I have never in all my life been so bone weary tired

>

> as I have been these past few months. Sleeping at lunch at work

> during the day, coming home and sleeping 3 or 4 hours of deep sleep

>

> at night and then going back to bed at night for 7 or 8 hours and

> ALWAYS feeling like a zombie. My arrogant and condescending PCP

> says

> yesterday that I was not really anemic because my hemoglobin and

> hermatocrit was in the low normal range. Obviously, they

> were " raiding " my ferritin but that wasn't the reason I was tired

> and

> it must have been something else.

>

> When my ferritin came in at 5 forty five days ago, he told me he did

>

> not have a clue about what I should do and I " should call my buddies

>

> at the hospital " where I had surgery at. ?? That inspired my

> confidence- obviously he wasn't willing to help me find anything

> out,

> he jsut wanted to get rid of me. BUT I digress...

>

> I called the dietician that heads the bariatric program and had my

> bloodwork faxed to her. She wanted to see me after reviewing it and

>

> told me I was severely anemic in her opionion and that is why I felt

>

> so bloody awful. She told me to get liquid Nifirex and gave me the

>

> dosages etc. She told me to get checked in 45 to 60 days which I

> did

> yesterday. (results coming next week...) After a few weeks on the

>

> Nifirex, my bone weary tiredness began to subside and I am feeling

> 150% better. The only thing different now than 45 days ago is the

> iron.

>

> After telling my Dr. that I thought he should have told me I was

> anemic, he proceeded to tell me I wasn't, it had nothing to do with

>

> why I was tired and the dietician was a dietician, and he was a Dr.

>

> and he knew more. Good grief that made me mad as if she knew

> nothing. What do you guys think? Have any of you gone through

> this? It is really bothering me that maybe something else is wrong

>

> that I haven't figured out yet that caused the problem. ?? Any

> additional info, advice etc would be appreciated. Thanks...

>

> R in Nashville

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Isn't it amazing what we have to go through just to get a good doctor

who will listen to us? I actually had a physician's assistant tell

me one time that there were only two reasons people were

overweight... " gluttony and laziness " !!!!! Should I even say that I

no longer go to that doctor. I have since found one that believes in

my ability to know when there is something wrong. She may not always

know what it is right away, but she doesn't give up on me either. She

has faith that I know my body. If it wasn't for her, I probably would

never have had the surgery, and would still weight 279 pounds (or

more by now), be on insulin, high blood pressure medication, and who

knows what else. I actually should thank that stupid PA sometime...

if not for her, I would not be where I am today.

Tigger

> ,

> I did not have this exact thing happen but I have had to

deal

> with an arrogant Physicians Assistant that thought he was God. I

gained

> 112 lbs in 8 months. I went from wearing a size 7 shoe to a size 12

> men's shoe. I was tired all of the time. I had diabetic sores for

9

> months that were not healing. The edema in my feet and legs was

awful.

> Yet I was told nothing was wrong with me. I finally asked what the

> warning signs of heart disease in women were. He proceeded to tell

me

> the signs of a heart attack in men. I asked him 7 times about heart

> disease in general. He had NO CLUE. I ended up in the hospital

with

> congestive heart failure (gee, ya thank that might be a heart

disease.)

> So what did I do? I found a physician who believed that I knew more

> about my body then anybody and was willing to listen to me. Problem

> solved. Consider changing PCP's immediately.

> Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

> SRVG 7/16/01

> Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

> 479/335/???

>

> On Sat, 31 May 2003 23:32:30 -0000 " angela6237220 "

> <1angelar@b...> writes:

> > I have a question about iron / anemia and want to see what others

> > with this problem have heard from their physician on this. I

have

> > gotten different answers from health professionals and am

confused.

> >

> >

> > My ferritin has been a downward slide since I had surgery 19

months

> >

> > ago. 45 days ago it tested at 5. 6 months ago it was 10. My

> > hemoglobin and hermatocrit have tested in the low normal range

> > during

> > this odyssey. I have never in all my life been so bone weary

tired

> >

> > as I have been these past few months. Sleeping at lunch at work

> > during the day, coming home and sleeping 3 or 4 hours of deep

sleep

> >

> > at night and then going back to bed at night for 7 or 8 hours and

> > ALWAYS feeling like a zombie. My arrogant and condescending PCP

> > says

> > yesterday that I was not really anemic because my hemoglobin and

> > hermatocrit was in the low normal range. Obviously, they

> > were " raiding " my ferritin but that wasn't the reason I was tired

> > and

> > it must have been something else.

> >

> > When my ferritin came in at 5 forty five days ago, he told me he

did

> >

> > not have a clue about what I should do and I " should call my

buddies

> >

> > at the hospital " where I had surgery at. ?? That inspired my

> > confidence- obviously he wasn't willing to help me find anything

> > out,

> > he jsut wanted to get rid of me. BUT I digress...

> >

> > I called the dietician that heads the bariatric program and had

my

> > bloodwork faxed to her. She wanted to see me after reviewing it

and

> >

> > told me I was severely anemic in her opionion and that is why I

felt

> >

> > so bloody awful. She told me to get liquid Nifirex and gave me

the

> >

> > dosages etc. She told me to get checked in 45 to 60 days which I

> > did

> > yesterday. (results coming next week...) After a few weeks on

the

> >

> > Nifirex, my bone weary tiredness began to subside and I am

feeling

> > 150% better. The only thing different now than 45 days ago is

the

> > iron.

> >

> > After telling my Dr. that I thought he should have told me I was

> > anemic, he proceeded to tell me I wasn't, it had nothing to do

with

> >

> > why I was tired and the dietician was a dietician, and he was a

Dr.

> >

> > and he knew more. Good grief that made me mad as if she knew

> > nothing. What do you guys think? Have any of you gone through

> > this? It is really bothering me that maybe something else is

wrong

> >

> > that I haven't figured out yet that caused the problem. ?? Any

> > additional info, advice etc would be appreciated. Thanks...

> >

> > R in Nashville

> >

> >

> > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

> >

> > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

I can't tell you why God put @##holes here on this earth. But I can talk

iron with you.

My ferritin got down to 5 as well, the same slow descent over the past 5

years, and I was feeling bad....sleepy. I've been on Niferex150 twice a day

for 3 weeks. I got tested again, and ferritin was only up 2 points.

Hemoglobin still at 12.7. I was convinced I felt better, even though the

tests didn't support that.

My PCP decided it wasn't fast enough, so I'm on Niferex elixir (liquid)

300mg three times a day in orange juice. I'm starting tomorrow after I

finish the " poop-smear " portion of my physical.

The distressing thing is that one of my liver tests, which have *always*

been " normal " doubled in that three week period. SGOT (AST) went from 28 to

57. Weird and disturbing. GGT has been within 2 points since 2000.

Good luck to both of us with the liquid....we'll have to compare notes.

in Austin

RNY April 1998

Yet another iron/anemia question

> I have a question about iron / anemia and want to see what others

> with this problem have heard from their physician on this. I have

> gotten different answers from health professionals and am confused.

>

>> What do you guys think? Have any of you gone through

> this? It is really bothering me that maybe something else is wrong

> that I haven't figured out yet that caused the problem. ?? Any

> additional info, advice etc would be appreciated. Thanks...

>

> R in Nashville

>

>

[Guest guest]

I probably should thank the PA too. He did referr me to the physician

that I have now for a sleep study. This physician visited me one to two

times a day the entire time I was in the hospital. My PA never did.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

479/335/???

On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 00:29:25 -0000 " tigger57ri "

writes:

> Isn't it amazing what we have to go through just to get a good doctor

>

> who will listen to us? I actually had a physician's assistant tell

>

> me one time that there were only two reasons people were

> overweight... " gluttony and laziness " !!!!! Should I even say that I

>

> no longer go to that doctor. I have since found one that believes in

>

> my ability to know when there is something wrong. She may not always

>

> know what it is right away, but she doesn't give up on me either.

> She

> has faith that I know my body. If it wasn't for her, I probably

> would

> never have had the surgery, and would still weight 279 pounds (or

> more by now), be on insulin, high blood pressure medication, and who

>

> knows what else. I actually should thank that stupid PA sometime...

>

> if not for her, I would not be where I am today.

> Tigger

>

>

> > ,

> > I did not have this exact thing happen but I have had to

> deal

> > with an arrogant Physicians Assistant that thought he was God. I

>

> gained

> > 112 lbs in 8 months. I went from wearing a size 7 shoe to a size

> 12

> > men's shoe. I was tired all of the time. I had diabetic sores

> for

> 9

> > months that were not healing. The edema in my feet and legs was

> awful.

> > Yet I was told nothing was wrong with me. I finally asked what

> the

> > warning signs of heart disease in women were. He proceeded to

> tell

> me

> > the signs of a heart attack in men. I asked him 7 times about

> heart

> > disease in general. He had NO CLUE. I ended up in the hospital

> with

> > congestive heart failure (gee, ya thank that might be a heart

> disease.)

> > So what did I do? I found a physician who believed that I knew

> more

> > about my body then anybody and was willing to listen to me.

> Problem

> > solved. Consider changing PCP's immediately.

> > Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

> > SRVG 7/16/01

> > Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

> > 479/335/???

> >

> > On Sat, 31 May 2003 23:32:30 -0000 " angela6237220 "

> > <1angelar@b...> writes:

> > > I have a question about iron / anemia and want to see what

> others

> > > with this problem have heard from their physician on this. I

> have

> > > gotten different answers from health professionals and am

> confused.

> > >

> > >

> > > My ferritin has been a downward slide since I had surgery 19

> months

> > >

> > > ago. 45 days ago it tested at 5. 6 months ago it was 10. My

> > > hemoglobin and hermatocrit have tested in the low normal range

> > > during

> > > this odyssey. I have never in all my life been so bone weary

> tired

> > >

> > > as I have been these past few months. Sleeping at lunch at work

>

> > > during the day, coming home and sleeping 3 or 4 hours of deep

> sleep

> > >

> > > at night and then going back to bed at night for 7 or 8 hours

> and

> > > ALWAYS feeling like a zombie. My arrogant and condescending PCP

>

> > > says

> > > yesterday that I was not really anemic because my hemoglobin and

>

> > > hermatocrit was in the low normal range. Obviously, they

> > > were " raiding " my ferritin but that wasn't the reason I was

> tired

> > > and

> > > it must have been something else.

> > >

> > > When my ferritin came in at 5 forty five days ago, he told me he

>

> did

> > >

> > > not have a clue about what I should do and I " should call my

> buddies

> > >

> > > at the hospital " where I had surgery at. ?? That inspired my

> > > confidence- obviously he wasn't willing to help me find anything

>

> > > out,

> > > he jsut wanted to get rid of me. BUT I digress...

> > >

> > > I called the dietician that heads the bariatric program and had

>

> my

> > > bloodwork faxed to her. She wanted to see me after reviewing it

>

> and

> > >

> > > told me I was severely anemic in her opionion and that is why I

>

> felt

> > >

> > > so bloody awful. She told me to get liquid Nifirex and gave me

>

> the

> > >

> > > dosages etc. She told me to get checked in 45 to 60 days which

> I

> > > did

> > > yesterday. (results coming next week...) After a few weeks on

>

> the

> > >

> > > Nifirex, my bone weary tiredness began to subside and I am

> feeling

> > > 150% better. The only thing different now than 45 days ago is

> the

> > > iron.

> > >

> > > After telling my Dr. that I thought he should have told me I was

>

> > > anemic, he proceeded to tell me I wasn't, it had nothing to do

> with

> > >

> > > why I was tired and the dietician was a dietician, and he was a

>

> Dr.

> > >

> > > and he knew more. Good grief that made me mad as if she knew

> > > nothing. What do you guys think? Have any of you gone through

>

> > > this? It is really bothering me that maybe something else is

> wrong

> > >

> > > that I haven't figured out yet that caused the problem. ?? Any

>

> > > additional info, advice etc would be appreciated. Thanks...

> > >

> > > R in Nashville

> > >

> > >

> > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

> > >

> > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Oh boy, ! I know there have been a few responses before mine

that probably say the same thing, but I have to shout it, too....FIRE

THAT SORRY EXCUSE FOR A DOCTOR'S ASS!

Glad you're feeling better,

in NJ

***********************

> >

> After telling my Dr. that I thought he should have told me I was

> anemic, he proceeded to tell me I wasn't, it had nothing to do with

> why I was tired and the dietician was a dietician, and he was a Dr.

> and he knew more.

> R in Nashville

[Guest guest]

, others may have said it, but you said it best!!!

Tigger

> > >

> > After telling my Dr. that I thought he should have told me I was

> > anemic, he proceeded to tell me I wasn't, it had nothing to do

with

> > why I was tired and the dietician was a dietician, and he was a

Dr.

> > and he knew more.

> > R in Nashville

[Guest guest]

Ditto! I went through several of those " god " doctors before I found one that

respected me as a person, even though I was MO. She is heavy into diet and

exercise, but when I went in with GBP on my mind, I informed her this was what

I was doing, and would she or would she not support me. I was fully prepared

to move on. She agreed, and has stuck with me throughout. She's been great,

as I learn, she learns too. We work together on the project called " me! "

Regards~

Jacque

Distal RNY, 5/30/00

Drs. Fox and Oh

310~126

Beginning BMI 50.0

Current BMI 20.3

<A

HREF= " http://obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/bandafter.phtml?Member_ID=94748\

3760 " >My B4 & After Pics</A>

> I found a physician who believed that I knew more

> about my body then anybody and was willing to listen to me. Problem

> solved. Consider changing PCP's immediately

[Guest guest]

You all are CRACKING ME UP!! I know he is an A** and yes, I have had

several people tell me that. :-) I am working on finding a new PCP

currently. I am trying to get some references from others so I don't

end up with another one just like my current one. I would like to

see a female (sorry guys...) as it seems they are not as harsh to

deal with. My current male Dr. has made a lot of derogatory fat

female comments that I just don't think I would get from a woman.

However, I am having a hard time finding a woman that is taking new

patients. Oh well, I will keep looking.

On another note, I have decided to try and turn over a new leaf since

it doesn't seem this last 100 lbs I would like to lose is going to

fall off of me magically in my sleep. I am trying to get back in the

exercise groove since I am no longer sleeping 24/7. I got on my

treadmill today and wouldn't you know, the dang thing just burned

right up with me on it. I smelled a slight burning smell but didn't

think anything of it. I think I had it in my head that my tennis

shoes on the belt were making the smell but obviously I was QUITE

wrong. There is nothing harsher than jogging along @ 4.5 MPH on a

treadmill and everything comes to a screeching deadhalt. The

treadmill is @ 6 years old and has a lot of miles on it so I guess it

was time. However, in the past I would have thought it was a sign

from God that I needed to give up on exercise. Ha! Well, I am off

to buy a treadmill...

R in Nashville

> > > >

> > > After telling my Dr. that I thought he should have told me I

was

> > > anemic, he proceeded to tell me I wasn't, it had nothing to do

> with

> > > why I was tired and the dietician was a dietician, and he was a

> Dr.

> > > and he knew more.

> > > R in Nashville

[Guest guest]

My doctor is a legend in his own mind. And he doesn't just treat ME that

way, he treats my hubby that way too (Hubby tore up his elbow 2 months ago,

that the good doctor perscirbed ibuprofen for. That's it. He goes back

tomorrow, because he can't pick up a cup of coffee) . NOBODY knows as much

as he does about ANYTHING. I hate him, and I hate Pacificare. For $300 a

month, we pay them to treat us like idiots. I NEED a revision. I KNOW I need

a revision. I've needed it for several years. I've lost all my teeth and

have dentures. TWICE now, I've had upper GI, lower GI, and endo and colon

scopes. And a boatload of medications that don't work, because THEY DON'T

TREAT THE PROBLEM. Last week, I had a FREE consultation with the assisting

surgeon for my WLS. He told me exactly what was wrong with mine, drew me a

picture, and how to fix it. And he told me to have my doctor call him to

discuss it. He can't treat me. He knew that when he talked to me. He's not

on my HMO. MY (HMO) doctors won't even discuss it. With me or with him.

Yesterday, I threw up three times. Not a bite of food in my stomach all day.

Today, I've had less than 1 ounce of cheese, and it about bit me. Nothing

else. I'm at a point that I intend to call Pacificare tomorrow and tell them

we can settle my bills in court, and they can discuss it with my attorney.

Can you tell I'm angry, sick, and tired?

Why do they all think we're too stupid to know what we're talking about?

Re: Yet another iron/anemia question

Ditto! I went through several of those " god " doctors before I found one

that

respected me as a person, even though I was MO. She is heavy into diet and

exercise, but when I went in with GBP on my mind, I informed her this was

what

I was doing, and would she or would she not support me. I was fully

prepared

to move on. She agreed, and has stuck with me throughout. She's been

great,

as I learn, she learns too. We work together on the project called " me! "

Regards~

Jacque

Distal RNY, 5/30/00

Drs. Fox and Oh

310~126

Beginning BMI 50.0

Current BMI 20.3

<A

HREF= " http://obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/bandafter.phtml?Member_ID=9

47483760 " >My B4 & After Pics</A>

> I found a physician who believed that I knew more

> about my body then anybody and was willing to listen to me. Problem

> solved. Consider changing PCP's immediately

[Guest guest]

I've been fortunate to have found some damned good doctors. And, the

really good ones refer me to other really good ones (for specialty

things), so my chain of good fortune with docs has been largely

unbroken. My PCP and the cardiologist he had referred me to both

willingly read all the DS info that I brought to them, and they

learned along with me. Both have subsequently referred patients to

my WLS doc, and my success and our joint learning experiences have

had a lot to do with that.

That having been said, one wag once remarked: " Think back to high

school home room; and now remind yourself which of the dim bulbs

(actually, he used a more pejorative term) there became doctors and

lawyers. "

--Steve

At 9:33 PM -0500 6/1/03, Jacque Holdaway wrote:

>My doctor is a legend in his own mind. And he doesn't just treat ME that

>way, he treats my hubby that way too

[Guest guest]

I agree Jacque. You need a new doctor. I so much hate jerks that think

they now everything. And legends are even worse. They know they are

Gods. Unfortunately no one told us peons that they were Gods. Please

find a new PCP and write that letter to the insurance company with an

attorney.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

479/335/???

On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:33:46 -0500 " Jacque Holdaway "

writes:

> My doctor is a legend in his own mind. And he doesn't just treat ME

> that

> way, he treats my hubby that way too (Hubby tore up his elbow 2

> months ago,

> that the good doctor perscirbed ibuprofen for. That's it. He goes

> back

> tomorrow, because he can't pick up a cup of coffee) . NOBODY knows

> as much

> as he does about ANYTHING. I hate him, and I hate Pacificare. For

> $300 a

> month, we pay them to treat us like idiots. I NEED a revision. I

> KNOW I need

> a revision. I've needed it for several years. I've lost all my teeth

> and

> have dentures. TWICE now, I've had upper GI, lower GI, and endo and

> colon

> scopes. And a boatload of medications that don't work, because THEY

> DON'T

> TREAT THE PROBLEM. Last week, I had a FREE consultation with the

> assisting

> surgeon for my WLS. He told me exactly what was wrong with mine,

> drew me a

> picture, and how to fix it. And he told me to have my doctor call

> him to

> discuss it. He can't treat me. He knew that when he talked to me.

> He's not

> on my HMO. MY (HMO) doctors won't even discuss it. With me or with

> him.

> Yesterday, I threw up three times. Not a bite of food in my stomach

> all day.

> Today, I've had less than 1 ounce of cheese, and it about bit me.

> Nothing

> else. I'm at a point that I intend to call Pacificare tomorrow and

> tell them

> we can settle my bills in court, and they can discuss it with my

> attorney.

> Can you tell I'm angry, sick, and tired?

> Why do they all think we're too stupid to know what we're talking

> about?

>

> Re: Yet another iron/anemia question

>

>

> Ditto! I went through several of those " god " doctors before I found

> one

> that

> respected me as a person, even though I was MO. She is heavy into

> diet and

> exercise, but when I went in with GBP on my mind, I informed her

> this was

> what

> I was doing, and would she or would she not support me. I was

> fully

> prepared

> to move on. She agreed, and has stuck with me throughout. She's

> been

> great,

> as I learn, she learns too. We work together on the project called

> " me! "

>

> Regards~

> Jacque

> Distal RNY, 5/30/00

> Drs. Fox and Oh

> 310~126

> Beginning BMI 50.0

> Current BMI 20.3

> <A

>

HREF= " http://obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/bandafter.phtml?Member_ID=Mill

er9

> 47483760 " >My B4 & After Pics</A>

>

> > I found a physician who believed that I knew more

> > about my body then anybody and was willing to listen to me.

> Problem

> > solved. Consider changing PCP's immediately

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/1/2003 5:30:35 PM Central Daylight Time,

1angelar@... writes:

> I would like to see a female (sorry guys...) as it seems they are not as

> harsh to

> deal with.

---------------------------------------

I used to think the same thing. But I saw a gastroenterologist last year that

had more God complex than any male doc I've met so far. Maybe there are fewer

female docs with that, but there's no guarantee that female = compassion, or

easier to deal with, talk to, etc.

Carol A