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Nope, as I said before, my scrip is for 300mg a day (150mg twice a

day), and with your ferritin reading, I think you really need that.

But, of course, I'm not a doctor.

When are your next labs? Please let us know how it goes.

in NJ

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> I have an email into him about the difference between 100mg a day

and 300mg a day. Anyone think 300mg of iron is too much?

>

> in Austin

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Hey thanks Dave for the feedback on your checkup with the PCP. That Iron

info now has me pondering what I am doing as a corrective action. I am just

doing one of the ferro sequels per night (in the middle of said night) and

wondering if I should kick it to two? Wondering also about my own

absorption ability,,,,hmmmmm?????

One of the things I have tried to be judicious about in supplementing has

been the " metals " because somewhere in the dim recesses of my brain there

clangs a warning bell about overdoing that. It is obvious to the casual

observer however that I have certainly not been overdoing it re the Iron

LOL!

Now I must go and research how much is too much, how much is enough and then

wet my finger and hoist it to add in the " I am not a normie " factor to

relate to how much " I " should be doing. I think however, in the meantime I

will up my ferro sequels to two in the nightly yak sessions. I am going to

do labs again in just under a month so I will not be sure if it is

positively affected or not by upping the dosage since I have been doing one

(which is one more than I was) for two months now. That assumes that the

numbers will also be up.

One question I pose to the wise ones who read here is based on the reactions

of two doctors to my latest lab numbers re Iron,,,,,,,,I should post all

those I guess,,,,,,,what they have been saying is that your numbers are not

bad, etc, your body stil has the capability making enough, etc., and it is

from what they are seeing that seems to reassure them. I have not a clue

and beyond trying to get my bod out of the Iron gutter have no interest in

becoming conversant with the mechanics of bodily iron production,,,,,,,,

For reference here are my labs re Iron numbers beginning with the first set

after surgery three years ago:

UIBC (only done on the last labs in March this year, ref 150-375, my number

was 240

Iron Total: (range 25-170) 69,98,122,114,85

Iron Bin Cap (range 200-450) 266,273,272,326,327

Bin Cap & Sat (range 12-57) 26,36,42,36,25

Ferritin (20-380) 233,292,132,26

I know from naught what the meaning of all the tests beyond Ferritin being

my store of Iron in the body but something here seems not to alarm the

physicians. Hmmmmmmmmmm????? Any ideas from resident experts on how much

is too much and what they might be seeing here would be appreciated. In the

meantime I will slog my way through researching it myself, it seems to be

the only way anything penetrates an extra thick cranium!

Dan Slone

Surgery 5/2/2000

doctor's visit/iron

Went to see my WLS surgeon for the 5-year check-up. He's retiring, so I may

not see him again. It was kinda' emotional.

He prescribed 2 ferro sequels per day, which is 50mg iron as ferrous

fumarate. I told him I already had Niferex, which is 150mg iron as

something else, and he said, fine, take two of those. I warned him they

were 150mg each and he said, well, you need lots of iron right now. I also

mentioned the chelated iron to him, and he said he didn't think it was as

good for us for some reason which eludes me now and I didn't understand

then. I'll ask again if I get a chance.

I have an email into him about the difference between 100mg a day and 300mg

a day. Anyone think 300mg of iron is too much? Basically, I think he knows

I'll only absorb a certain amount and he wants to see what happens in the

next 30 days or so.

in Austin

RNY April 1998

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I'm with the doc on this one. IN 30 days, you'll certainly have anew score

on your report card & that'll let you know

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> Went to see my WLS surgeon for the 5-year check-up. He's retiring, so I

may

> not see him again. It was kinda' emotional.

>

> He prescribed 2 ferro sequels per day, which is 50mg iron as ferrous

> fumarate. I told him I already had Niferex, which is 150mg iron as

> something else, and he said, fine, take two of those. I warned him they

> were 150mg each and he said, well, you need lots of iron right now. I

also

> mentioned the chelated iron to him, and he said he didn't think it was as

> good for us for some reason which eludes me now and I didn't understand

> then. I'll ask again if I get a chance.

>

> I have an email into him about the difference between 100mg a day and

300mg

> a day. Anyone think 300mg of iron is too much? Basically, I think he

knows

> I'll only absorb a certain amount and he wants to see what happens in the

> next 30 days or so.

>

> in Austin

> RNY April 1998

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<<Anyone think 300mg of iron is too much? >>

I was taking 300; hemo kept dropping. My doctor wanted to move me to 900, but I

suggested a middle road of 600. No ill effects, but not sure yet if it made any

difference.

Kate

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Kate:

Thanks for the info......at least I'm probably not poisoning myself. Do you

have any symptoms like tiring easily?

Has anyone ever gotten better without infusions, with the iron supplements?

I really am anxious to turn this train around.

Thanks,

in Austin

RNY April 1998

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> <<Anyone think 300mg of iron is too much? >>

>

> I was taking 300; hemo kept dropping. My doctor wanted to move me to 900,

but I suggested a middle road of 600. No ill effects, but not sure yet if

it made any difference.

>

> Kate

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You got a double whammy going here seems to me! Your B12 is scary low, I

keep mine above 600 at a min with injections that I give myself. Cheap

enough to get and not hard for me to do, makes some squeamish but I needed

to do them, the sublingual tabs seemed to work for a while but I kept

sliding into the basement with them.

The Ferritin storehouse seems almost empty to me. I would be seriously

taking myself to a blood doc (hematologist?) and asking about infusions. I

give my low Iron stores another month to improve or I will be beating on

their doors like crazy.

What kind of Iron are you doing, how much, how often, and how much B12 and

what form?

Dan Slone

Surgery 5/2/2000

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I am having some huge iron problems also:

Here is my labwork i got from the 7th.

TIBC 584 (221-371)

cell morph 3+ (normal)

HGB 11.1 (11.5-15.4)

HCT 34.1 (34.3-45.0)

Platelet Count 658 (140-440)

B-12 145 (211-911)

Cloride 109 (98-108)

Ferritin 5 (11-307)

Zinc 152 (70-150)

Opinions ? How bad is this....I feel like crap and they just put me

on Iron pills, how much by experience would you take and what about

B-12 shots ?

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Well I am doing one Iron pill called fe-tinic 150 forte. My doc does have

me on any B-12 and didnt prescripe anything. I am so frustrated because i

feel like the walking dead. Where do you buy the shots ?

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>

> I am having some huge iron problems also:

>

> Here is my labwork i got from the 7th.

>

> TIBC 584 (221-371)

> cell morph 3+ (normal)

>

> HGB 11.1 (11.5-15.4)

> HCT 34.1 (34.3-45.0)

>

> Platelet Count 658 (140-440)

>

> B-12 145 (211-911)

> Cloride 109 (98-108)

>

> Ferritin 5 (11-307)

>

> Zinc 152 (70-150)

>

>

> Opinions ? How bad is this....I feel like crap and they just put me

> on Iron pills, how much by experience would you take and what about

> B-12 shots ?

>

> Thanks everyone !!

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

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whoops i meant DIDN'T prescribe anything !!

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> > I am having some huge iron problems also:

> >

> > Here is my labwork i got from the 7th.

> >

> > TIBC 584 (221-371)

> > cell morph 3+ (normal)

> >

> > HGB 11.1 (11.5-15.4)

> > HCT 34.1 (34.3-45.0)

> >

> > Platelet Count 658 (140-440)

> >

> > B-12 145 (211-911)

> > Cloride 109 (98-108)

> >

> > Ferritin 5 (11-307)

> >

> > Zinc 152 (70-150)

> >

> >

> > Opinions ? How bad is this....I feel like crap and they just put me

> > on Iron pills, how much by experience would you take and what about

> > B-12 shots ?

> >

> > Thanks everyone !!

> >

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> > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

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The Niferex-150 box says Iron (elemental)....150mg.

The side says " polysaccharide-iron complex as cell-contracted akaganeite. "

Whew. So I don't know if it is sulfate, fumarate, or something else. Does

anyone know?

The current plan is two a day. I figure there's sometime in the late

afternoon where I haven't eaten in over an hour or so....and then again at

my middle of the night " tea party. " I'm going to take it with vitamin C and

a slug of orange juice. Let's hope I can resist vodka in the orange juice.

Then I'm going to get tested in 4 weeks.

Will stop whining now and let you all know how it works out.

in Austin

RNY April 1998

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> is it elemental iron at 300 or what?

> my iron is 325mg but that converts to just 66elemental and I do ok with

it.

>

> sue

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My prescription says to take the Niferex with food. I usually take mine with my

morning and afternoon snacks (like an orange).

Deanna

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The Niferex-150 box says Iron (elemental)....150mg.

The side says " polysaccharide-iron complex as cell-contracted akaganeite. "

Whew. So I don't know if it is sulfate, fumarate, or something else. Does

anyone know?

The current plan is two a day. I figure there's sometime in the late

afternoon where I haven't eaten in over an hour or so....and then again at

my middle of the night " tea party. " I'm going to take it with vitamin C and

a slug of orange juice. Let's hope I can resist vodka in the orange juice.

Then I'm going to get tested in 4 weeks.

Will stop whining now and let you all know how it works out.

in Austin

RNY April 1998

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> is it elemental iron at 300 or what?

> my iron is 325mg but that converts to just 66elemental and I do ok with

it.

>

> sue

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Well, there you have it. <G> It says all over the internet best absorbed

without food, one hour before or two hours after, but can take with food if

necessary to prevent stomach upset. I'm giving it an hour and crossing my

fingers.

Thanks!

in Austin

RNY April 1998

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My prescription says to take the Niferex with food. I usually take mine

with my morning and afternoon snacks (like an orange).

Deanna

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Let's hope I can resist vodka in the orange juice.

Then I'm going to get tested in 4 weeks.

***********Well Dave one way to look at it is if ya can't, then you will

have slept well for the rest of the night at least and then again with the

Vodka,,,,,who cares how the tests come out? LOL,,,,,,just get another

body,,,,,,it is really easy.

Dan Slone

Surgery 5/2/2000

Re: doctor's visit/iron

The Niferex-150 box says Iron (elemental)....150mg.

The side says " polysaccharide-iron complex as cell-contracted akaganeite. "

Whew. So I don't know if it is sulfate, fumarate, or something else. Does

anyone know?

The current plan is two a day. I figure there's sometime in the late

afternoon where I haven't eaten in over an hour or so....and then again at

my middle of the night " tea party. " I'm going to take it with vitamin C and

a slug of orange juice. Let's hope I can resist vodka in the orange juice.

Then I'm going to get tested in 4 weeks.

Will stop whining now and let you all know how it works out.

in Austin

RNY April 1998

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> is it elemental iron at 300 or what?

> my iron is 325mg but that converts to just 66elemental and I do ok with

it.

>

> sue

>

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Fe sulfate is the one that has to be on empty. And it hurts with or without

food.

Such a deal for the worst iron on the market, too.

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> >

> > The current plan is two a day. I figure there's sometime in the late

> > afternoon where I haven't eaten in over an hour or so....and then again

at

> > my middle of the night " tea party. " I'm going to take it with vitamin C

> and

> > a slug of orange juice. Let's hope I can resist vodka in the orange

> juice.

> > Then I'm going to get tested in 4 weeks.

> >

> > Will stop whining now and let you all know how it works out.

> >

> > in Austin

> > RNY April 1998

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> ,

>

> I have heard members on this list say that they take iron on an empty

> stomac. Do you have any problems doing this? I have never, ever been able

to

> take iron on an empty stomac. I have to at least have a cracker or a

couple

> of bites of something. If I don't...I get sick!

> Dawn

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I've split mine into two doses. In the late afternoon, there's a few

minutes where I'm an hour on either side of food. I think the one in the

middle of the night, maybe it's the orange juice, has affected my sleep.

Sheesh! I may try to move that to early morning. I wonder how badly coffee

hurts the iron? I could do it before my coffee. Any ideas? Actually, I

think the literature specifically mentions coffee.....back to the drawing

board. Maybe two at one time late afternoon.

in Austin

RNY April 1998

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> Fe sulfate is the one that has to be on empty. And it hurts with or

without

> food.

>

> Such a deal for the worst iron on the market, too.

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

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iron with C

no dairy

no caffeine

Not the answers you wanted, eh?

How about in the bathroom, sealed well, but before your shower? Does that

give you an hour before you hit the kitchen?

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>

> > Fe sulfate is the one that has to be on empty. And it hurts with or

> without

> > food.

> >

> > Such a deal for the worst iron on the market, too.

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> > Vitalady, Inc. T

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Okay, I've been taking my polysaccharide at night, with C before bed...

then I can take calcium all day long and not worry about overlap, etc.

Does the time of day REAAALLLY matter if you aren't mixing with calcium

or caffeine? (am, pm, etc)

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iron with C

no dairy

no caffeine

Not the answers you wanted, eh?

How about in the bathroom, sealed well, but before your shower? Does

that

give you an hour before you hit the kitchen?

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I can vouch for that! I went through about 10 different OTC iron

supps recommended by my original doc (not to mention a small fortune

trying them out), and every one made me sick. Then my hero, Dr.

Gagner, gave me Niferex...he promised me it wouldn't make me sick,

and he didn't lie.

in NJ

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> Fe sulfate is the one that has to be on empty. And it hurts with or

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Any idea how much time there should be between iron and caffeine?

in NJ

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> iron with C

> no dairy

> no caffeine

>

> Not the answers you wanted, eh?

>

> How about in the bathroom, sealed well, but before your shower?

Does that give you an hour before you hit the kitchen?

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

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> www.vitalady.com

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