Re: I need DESSERT!!!!-adrenal fatigue

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,It depends on just what exactly going on I suppose. Sometimes it is just taking additional salt believe it or not, and other times you need to take dessicated adrenal cortex (like taking dessicated thyroid) or the actual bio-identical steroid -- whichever one is needed -- usually cortisol. There is a good book called "Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome" which will cover all the basics of adrenal function, how to tell if you have adrenal fatigue, and what to do about it. Many of the supplements that might be needed can be sourced through online or healthfood stores as well.Basically a general indicator is if after a 'good' nights sleep you still feel exhausted, or if you do something a little more physically challenging one day it takes you

a day or two to recover, or if you have unexplained heart palpitations, or you are cold yet you are perspiring under your arms and/or your feet. There are many signs and those signs could also mean something else. Also, a lot of times adrenal fatigue goes with hypothyroid and they will have overlapping symptoms. Another good read is "Stop the Thyroid Madness." It will have info on thyroid as well as adrenal fatigue. The associated website www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ has some suggestions that can help you determine if your adrenals are low.AmeliaTo: btvc-scd Sent: Sat, March 20, 2010 4:31:43 AMSubject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!-adrenal fatigue

How do you cure adrenal fatigue?

>Darlene,

>

>The C and bloating will make you feel and weigh you heavier than normal. I would hazard a guess that is contributing to it. Hypothyroid is not the same as adrenal fatigue but they usually go together -- if you have hypo for a long time, you generally have adrenal fatigue because the adrenal glands are trying to take up the slack of the underperforming thyroid. Tired after a night's sleep is a sure sign of adrenal fatigue.

>

>Yoga is a good way to exercise and 10 minute walks are good too, the point is not to overdo. You are trying to heal your body and sometimes exercise (on top of daily living) is too much until healing and correction of problems takes place.

>

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>Amelia

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>From: Darlene <darleneryan@ rocketmail. com>

>To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.com

>Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 1:53:23 PM

>Subject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!

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>Amelia,

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>Thanks for your response. I have gained about 10 pounds in the past 2 years of being laid up. I was 110 lbs at 5'1". Being short means it all goes around the middle so 120 feels a bit heavy for me and packing on anymore would make me feel ugh. I feel heavy though because of my bloat and C. Then when I eat a good meal I feel even heavier and "backed up". But I'll give it time and let my gut do some more healing which is the first priority anyway over weight. Hypothyroid is adrenal fatigue, is it not? I have had that for years and years, used to drive myself relentlessly to do exercise and the last 2 years just could not. So now I've started a yoga class once a week and am trying to get myself to walk everyday, even if only for 10 minutes. Exercise, if I can get myself to do it, boosts my cortisol levels which are bottomed out in the mornings. I'm usually totally exhausted when I wake up and start the day.

> Darlene

>Intestinal Dysbiosis

>SCD 3 weeks

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> From: Amelia Bhide <bhide_thehague@ yahoo.com>

>To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.com

>Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 4:51:02 AM

>Subject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!

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>Darlene,

>

>I suppose the weight issue is one of how active are you? Most people report that eventually the diet 'normalizes' a person's weight to one that is right for that person. Of course, it is always possible to eat too much and gain weight, but usually the food is so dense that you will feel 'yuck' if you do it too much. Just like foods tolerated, it is a very individual thing. And yes, people have gained weight ON the diet, but not usually BECAUSE of the diet -- usually it is because they are eating more calories than they are using. I wouldn't worry about this in the beginning of the diet because as you heal you will require a lot of calories -- just make sure they are from varied food sources. For example one nut muffin is like 350 - 400 calories. Most people freak at this thought, but if you aren't eating the starches and sugar that normally resides in regular muffins, it is o.k because you are actually getting more nutrients vs. the empty

calories

> of a regular muffin and that makes all the difference in the world. I am 5' 4" and weigh 138 lbs (with hypothyroid problems) and wear about a size 8-10. I eat 1 muffin, 1 boiled egg, one cup of yogurt with honey and tea or coffee (with coconut milk) each morning for breakfast. Lunch is usually like a mini dinner if I have left overs or cheese, nuts, and fruit if I don't. Dinner is usually a meat and two veggies and dessert a couple of times a week. I do nothing extra other than keeping up the house, food, laundry and three boys -- in short I don't 'work out.' I maintain my weight with no problems at all, but I can't easily lose it either (might be part of the hypothyroid issue).

>

>Don't stress about it unless it starts looking like a real, long-term, problem and after you have been on the diet for quite some time.

>

>Amelia

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I have heard from many doctors and I think read somewhere that cortisol

production is increased in times of stress and illness (as well as from fast

food, caffeine, corn-fed animals, alcohol, etc.). So the body responds to stress

by pumping up production, but this is usually a " normal " stress response in

healthy people, i.e. you get up in the morning and need to get moving - your

body produces cortisol. You are in the middle of a heated conversation - your

body produces cortisol. It helps us think faster and use our bodies. Without it,

we are sluggish and would rather be sleeping. However, in prolonged stress, the

stress response is no longer " normal. " This happens with chronic illness. Our

bodies keep pumping it out and pumping it out - leading to gained weight

especially around the middle. Then sometimes the adrenals I think give out in

exhaustion, and we have a plummet in our cortisol production. This leads to more

inflamation, as cortisol is also an anti-inflamatory to the body, causing the

suppresion of T fighter cells (I think) and increasing a healing response to

tissue. When cortisol is no longer present, T fighter cells become more active.

That is all the info I think I know about cortisol. I'm still confused a bit

about how prednisone works. I think that it emulates cortisol, causing the

anti-inflamatory effect, but tells the body it has enough cortisol, so cortisol

production goes down overall. That's why going off of it is no fun.

Kat

27

UC since June 09

SCD since Feb 10

Prednisone 10mg, acyclovir, multivitamin

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> Holly,

>

> In the book " Adrenal Fatigue The 21st century Stress Syndrome " it says:

> " The temporary increase in cortisol levels produced by driving the adrenals

with too much fast food and caffeine causes people with chronically low cortisol

to put on weight because even a temporary excess of cortisol causes fat to be

deposited around the middle (the spare tire or swallowed-a-beach-ball look). "

> Now I'm not eating fast food, hardly ever did before SCD either. But i have

exactly what you describe. Haven't gained weight anywhere else but around

my middle.

>   Darlene

> Intestinal Dysbiosis/CFS

> SCD 1 month

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> Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 12:55:59 AM

> Subject: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!-adrenal fatigue

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> I have another question about adrenal fatigue (or hypothyroidism) . Can it

give you a fat gut, even when the rest of you is skinny? I weigh 106 pounds,

have skinny arms and legs, and no butt to speak of, yet I have this big fat roll

on my gut. When I sit down, it rolls over my shorts/jeans, and they poke

uncomfortably into it. I'm 33 " around at the belly button (and 28.5 " inches just

below the boobs, for some comparison). It looks totally abnormal. I'm not

bloated or anything, it's just fat.

>

> Holly

> Crohn's

> SCD 12/01/08

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Thanks Darlene (and Amelia and Mara)! I've gained 16 needed pounds in the last

year, and it seems like it all went to the gut and boobs, neither of which I

needed. I just ordered a supplement for adrenal fatigue, hopefully that will

help!

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

>

> Holly,

>

> In the book " Adrenal Fatigue The 21st century Stress Syndrome " it says:

> " The temporary increase in cortisol levels produced by driving the adrenals

with too much fast food and caffeine causes people with chronically low cortisol

to put on weight because even a temporary excess of cortisol causes fat to be

deposited around the middle (the spare tire or swallowed-a-beach-ball look). "

> Now I'm not eating fast food, hardly ever did before SCD either. But i have

exactly what you describe. Haven't gained weight anywhere else but around

my middle.

>   Darlene

> Intestinal Dysbiosis/CFS

> SCD 1 month

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: BTVC-SCD

> Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 12:55:59 AM

> Subject: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!-adrenal fatigue

>

>  

> I have another question about adrenal fatigue (or hypothyroidism) . Can it

give you a fat gut, even when the rest of you is skinny? I weigh 106 pounds,

have skinny arms and legs, and no butt to speak of, yet I have this big fat roll

on my gut. When I sit down, it rolls over my shorts/jeans, and they poke

uncomfortably into it. I'm 33 " around at the belly button (and 28.5 " inches just

below the boobs, for some comparison). It looks totally abnormal. I'm not

bloated or anything, it's just fat.

>

> Holly

> Crohn's

> SCD 12/01/08

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Holly,

You really need to get a adrenal test done before you start supps.

Sky

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Wed, 24 March, 2010 4:11:01 PMSubject: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!-adrenal fatigue

Thanks Darlene (and Amelia and Mara)! I've gained 16 needed pounds in the last year, and it seems like it all went to the gut and boobs, neither of which I needed. I just ordered a supplement for adrenal fatigue, hopefully that will help!HollyCrohn'sSCD 12/01/08>> > Holly,> > In the book "Adrenal Fatigue The 21st century Stress Syndrome" it says: > "The temporary increase in cortisol levels produced by driving the adrenals with too much fast food and caffeine causes people with chronically low cortisol to put on weight because even a temporary excess of cortisol causes fat to be deposited around the middle (the spare tire or swallowed-a- beach-ball look)."> Now I'm not eating fast food,

hardly ever did before SCD either. But i have exactly what you describe. Haven't gained weight anywhere else but around my middle.>   Darlene> Intestinal Dysbiosis/CFS> SCD 1 month > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> From: spookyhurst <spookyhurst@ ...>> To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.com> Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 12:55:59 AM> Subject: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!- adrenal fatigue> >  > I have another question about adrenal fatigue (or hypothyroidism) . Can it give you a fat gut, even when the rest of you is skinny? I weigh 106 pounds, have skinny arms and legs, and no butt to speak of, yet I have this big fat roll on my gut. When I sit down, it rolls over my shorts/jeans, and they poke

uncomfortably into it. I'm 33" around at the belly button (and 28.5" inches just below the boobs, for some comparison). It looks totally abnormal. I'm not bloated or anything, it's just fat.> > Holly> Crohn's> SCD 12/01/08> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now> http://ca.toolbar. yahoo.com.>

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Heya Holly,

I have been dealing with this hard core post surgery too.

It's rough. Buh!

Jodi

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> > Holly,

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> > You really need to get a adrenal test done before you start supps.

> >

> > Sky

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Really? That's interesting! I wonder how long it takes to get over?

I just noticed that I'm not having much pain on my left side anymore (where they

made 2 small incisions). I had become resigned to the fact that the scar tissue

would hurt a little forever, but perhaps I was wrong *knocks on wood*. How are

your incisions? Did you get the hernia taken care of?

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

> > >

> > > Holly,

> > >

> > > You really need to get a adrenal test done before you start supps.

> > >

> > > Sky

> >

>

[Guest guest]

complicated question, proper nutrition and rest. quality coconut oil (tblspoon per day) helps alot (jarrow makes a good cheap one). there are other interventions. detoxification can help, and rebuilding. also relief of psychological stressors, past and present. careful with sodium/potassium balancing, depending on the stage of depletion that your adrenals are in, they will be behaving differently. if you are eating salt at all, you might want to invest in sea salt (celtic is best). If you are severely ill, a colloidal mineral supplement might help. american longevity magestic earth helped me.

best,p.s. chlorine can make adrenals worse too if you're really sick, and caffeine is real bad

 

How do you cure adrenal fatigue?

>Darlene,

>

>The C and bloating will make you feel and weigh you heavier than normal. I would hazard a guess that is contributing to it. Hypothyroid is not the same as adrenal fatigue but they usually go together -- if you have hypo for a long time, you generally have adrenal fatigue because the adrenal glands are trying to take up the slack of the underperforming thyroid. Tired after a night's sleep is a sure sign of adrenal fatigue.

>

>Yoga is a good way to exercise and 10 minute walks are good too, the point is not to overdo. You are trying to heal your body and sometimes exercise (on top of daily living) is too much until healing and correction of problems takes place.

>

>

>Amelia

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>

>

>

>

>________________________________

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>To: BTVC-SCD

>Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 1:53:23 PM

>Subject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!

>

>

>

>Amelia,

>

>Thanks for your response. I have gained about 10 pounds in the past 2 years of being laid up. I was 110 lbs at 5'1 " . Being short means it all goes around the middle so 120 feels a bit heavy for me and packing on anymore would make me feel ugh. I feel heavy though because of my bloat and C. Then when I eat a good meal I feel even heavier and " backed up " . But I'll give it time and let my gut do some more healing which is the first priority anyway over weight. Hypothyroid is adrenal fatigue, is it not? I have had that for years and years, used to drive myself relentlessly to do exercise and the last 2 years just could not. So now I've started a yoga class once a week and am trying to get myself to walk everyday, even if only for 10 minutes. Exercise, if I can get myself to do it, boosts my cortisol levels which are bottomed out in the mornings. I'm usually totally exhausted when I wake up and start the day.

> Darlene

>Intestinal Dysbiosis

>SCD 3 weeks

>

>

>

>

>________________________________

> From: Amelia Bhide <bhide_thehague@ yahoo.com>

>To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.com

>Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 4:51:02 AM

>Subject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!

>

>

>Darlene,

>

>I suppose the weight issue is one of how active are you? Most people report that eventually the diet 'normalizes' a person's weight to one that is right for that person. Of course, it is always possible to eat too much and gain weight, but usually the food is so dense that you will feel 'yuck' if you do it too much. Just like foods tolerated, it is a very individual thing. And yes, people have gained weight ON the diet, but not usually BECAUSE of the diet -- usually it is because they are eating more calories than they are using. I wouldn't worry about this in the beginning of the diet because as you heal you will require a lot of calories -- just make sure they are from varied food sources. For example one nut muffin is like 350 - 400 calories. Most people freak at this thought, but if you aren't eating the starches and sugar that normally resides in regular muffins, it is o.k because you are actually getting more nutrients vs. the empty calories

> of a regular muffin and that makes all the difference in the world. I am 5' 4 " and weigh 138 lbs (with hypothyroid problems) and wear about a size 8-10. I eat 1 muffin, 1 boiled egg, one cup of yogurt with honey and tea or coffee (with coconut milk) each morning for breakfast. Lunch is usually like a mini dinner if I have left overs or cheese, nuts, and fruit if I don't. Dinner is usually a meat and two veggies and dessert a couple of times a week. I do nothing extra other than keeping up the house, food, laundry and three boys -- in short I don't 'work out.' I maintain my weight with no problems at all, but I can't easily lose it either (might be part of the hypothyroid issue).

>

>Don't stress about it unless it starts looking like a real, long-term, problem and after you have been on the diet for quite some time.

>

>Amelia

>

>

>

>

>

>

>________________________________

>

>Yahoo! Canada Toolbar :Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now!

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Darlene,Can you eat apples yet? when you can, if you are still having trouble there is a good gallbladder detox with apples, instructions in the book Healing with Whole Foods by Pitchford (great book, highly recommend it)

best,

 

Holly,

I hope the supplement starts kicking in for you. I am also on a glandular for the adrenals. But my big problem is that as long as my nights are so poor how can my poor adrenals recover?? Gut pain/liver pain wakes me up every night. Sleep is like the #1 thing to heal the adrenals not to mention many other things that require sleep. My theory on why I wake up like that around 3 a.m. each night is that this is the time the liver/gallbladder area is doing some work/healing/detoxing.

 DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 1 month

To: BTVC-SCD

Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 12:11:01 AMSubject: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!-adrenal fatigue

 

Thanks Darlene (and Amelia and Mara)! I've gained 16 needed pounds in the last year, and it seems like it all went to the gut and boobs, neither of which I needed. I just ordered a supplement for adrenal fatigue, hopefully that will help!

HollyCrohn'sSCD 12/01/08

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What is a gallbladder dextox?  Is it safe to do it with stones/calcified stones?

 

Debbie 40 cd

[Guest guest]

,

Apples are fine. I am, in fact, on Day 2 of a liver cleanse, drinking lots of apple cider and water with Celtic sea salt, plus I am having daily sauna treatments in my sister's far infrared sauna. I just quit smoking and am hoping this will lighten the load on all my organs, especially my liver and adrenals. DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 1 month

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 3:55:02 AMSubject: Re: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!-adrenal fatigue

Darlene,Can you eat apples yet? when you can, if you are still having trouble there is a good gallbladder detox with apples, instructions in the book Healing with Whole Foods by Pitchford (great book, highly recommend it)best,

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Darlene <darleneryan@ rocketmail. com> wrote:

Holly,

I hope the supplement starts kicking in for you. I am also on a glandular for the adrenals. But my big problem is that as long as my nights are so poor how can my poor adrenals recover?? Gut pain/liver pain wakes me up every night. Sleep is like the #1 thing to heal the adrenals not to mention many other things that require sleep. My theory on why I wake up like that around 3 a.m. each night is that this is the time the liver/gallbladder area is doing some work/healing/ detoxing.

DarleneIntestinal Dysbiosis/CFSSCD 1 month

From: spookyhurst <spookyhurst@ yahoo.com> To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.comSent: Wed, March 24, 2010 12:11:01 AM Subject: Re: I need DESSERT!!!!- adrenal fatigue

Thanks Darlene (and Amelia and Mara)! I've gained 16 needed pounds in the last year, and it seems like it all went to the gut and boobs, neither of which I needed. I just ordered a supplement for adrenal fatigue, hopefully that will help!

HollyCrohn'sSCD 12/01/08

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I just quit smokingCongratulations!!! Peace =)Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 50 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 35 mg 1x per day

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Heya Holly,

I had scar therapy injections and it really helped as the bigger incision was

inflamed and itchy. It's not really pretty at all but it's not an issue. I hope

you'll have results you want!

I use an SCD compounded Armour. It is the T3 & T4 derived from Armour.

I am happy with it. Many are switching to NatureThroid- I tried that and it

didn't agree with me. The nice thing about both non compounded products is that

it has T1, T2 and calcitonin in it.

I am happy with my armour prep plus I take a kelp derived iodine (illegal) and

it has helped tremendously. The adrenal function is a different story all

together and I cannot do the cortisol route.

Are you hypo or Hyper? Have you looked into T3 only? Depends on how you're

pooling and dumping into RT3.

They say it takes about a year to feel " ok " after surgery. I am close to the

year mark and I still have ecology issues. The gut ecology goes wonky after

surgery like this. Ughh.

Hang in there!

Jodi

> >

> > Heya Holly,

> >

> > My incisions don't hurt either *knock on wood* as well. The bigger one got

a bit infected for a while but self corrected.

> > I need to schedule the dang hernia surgery but since I am so cold sensitive

since the operation I am waiting for the warmer months to do it. Thinking I

will do it in May.

> >

> > I do heavy duty acupuncture for the Adrenal stuff. It helps.

> > I also make sure to use a himalayan salt water solution and a micro dosage

of kelp derived iodine (illegal) daily for my thyroid- which has been great for

the adrenal stuff including a micro dose of DHEA and I use armour thyroid as

well. Now, I am working on this sleep apnea stuff but really it's the mind body

work that has been pivotal.

> >

> > In my case it's years of dis-ease, medications, emotional garbage and

horrific dietary choices that have caused this avalanche of stuff. I cannot

tell you how much better I am than I was 3 years back. I'm a different person

really.

> >

> > I used to have a lot of upper GI pain in my right side and in my back.

Still gets congested but my gods it's so much better. A friggen miracle really.

> >

> > Have you had your saliva tested at all?

> >

> > Jodi

>

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Hi Jodi,

I wonder if it's common for scars to itch? All 4 of my gallbladder incisions

healed fine. It's just one small scar from the bowel surgery that's puffy and

itchy.

I think I'm hypothyroid (TSH is 5.6 something). I just called my PCP today to

request further tests. He wasn't interested in pursuing the thyroid thing, but I

figure if I bug him enough, he'll give in just to make me go away ;-). If not,

I'm going to call each one of my specialists and ask them to run the tests. One

of them has got to give!

It makes me feel better that they say it can take a year to heal. I'm doing all

right, but sometimes things still feel a little out of whack. Hopefully in

another year, we'll both be past all of this!

Holly

>

> Heya Holly,

>

> I had scar therapy injections and it really helped as the bigger incision was

inflamed and itchy. It's not really pretty at all but it's not an issue. I hope

you'll have results you want!

>

> I use an SCD compounded Armour. It is the T3 & T4 derived from Armour.

> I am happy with it. Many are switching to NatureThroid- I tried that and it

didn't agree with me. The nice thing about both non compounded products is that

it has T1, T2 and calcitonin in it.

> I am happy with my armour prep plus I take a kelp derived iodine (illegal) and

it has helped tremendously. The adrenal function is a different story all

together and I cannot do the cortisol route.

>

> Are you hypo or Hyper? Have you looked into T3 only? Depends on how you're

pooling and dumping into RT3.

>

> They say it takes about a year to feel " ok " after surgery. I am close to the

year mark and I still have ecology issues. The gut ecology goes wonky after

surgery like this. Ughh.

>

> Hang in there!

> Jodi